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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 1:28:52 PM   
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are you sure that you want to land at Ominato??? - have you considered other options?...

personally I perfer either Sendai or Niigata - the latter has the advantage of the island of Sadogashima providing offshore CAP ability....- another unsinkable CV...

I'd rather think that invading up there at the tip would be rather obvious....

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/12/2011 1:29:47 PM   
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great job GreyJoy,
i took me a few weeks to catch up in this AAR. This i for sure quiet a roller coaster raid for you with all kind of ups and downs.

Keep up the good work. i learned a lot (at least i ope) by reading this

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/12/2011 1:46:29 PM   
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You do not want to land at Ominato. There is a static fortress there that will shred any Amphib TF you send. The location I like is Hachinohe. It is only 3 sea travel hexes from Hakodate and is in short LRCAP range from most of your bases on Hokkaido. It is clear terrain and there are major roads leading in three directions. Take Ominato from the rear, not a frontal attack.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/12/2011 2:23:42 PM   
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I would land at Hachinoke and Akita and this would isolate Ominato and Hirosaki. Since GJ has air superiority over these bases, his armor would make it almost impossible to for him to be pushed out and then he can destroy the LCUs at his leisure.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 3:21:51 PM   
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Ok...i just found out that i'm losing 65 PPs every turn and i'll probably lose lot more.... 4 ships due to withdraw....and they are 10000 miles from the closest withdrawal port.... f*** i was too focused on the strat bombing thing that i lost the touch of the logistic problems.... f*************

Ok...what should i do? I have a brit CA in Hokkaido... better to send her in a suicidal task and have her sunk or to make her do the trip back to SF?


Sacc them. It is not worth the massive amount of PP you lose. It will be only a small amount of VP which is it worth a 100 times. I would then suggest that you just start to move everything which is <= 100 days back to a big port where you can remove the ship. It is quite annoying if you have a sub somewhere in the nowhere which you have to remove. And if you need to lose a sub, send it somewhere where it gets damaged and then move it around with max speed. This will still take some turns till its lost but still better than paying a 40 days the PP penalty.



Subs cost 10 pps per day. Still, it can get expensive.


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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 3:27:01 PM   
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again coordination sucks!...the sweeps arrived after the bombers..

A thought on this, and it's a long shot, Have you tried changing you fighter leaders to the ones with the highest Admin rating? Not sure what that rating does but maybe it's navigation and stuff.


I think Admin helps with damage recovery and such. You want high air and aggression with fighter leaders. A little admin never hurts but not to the point where you would sacrifice the others.


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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 4:01:47 PM   
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If/when you invade Honshu I would keep a sizeable reserve if he sends everything forward to contest your landing sites you may get the chance to land behind him and cut off his units.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 5:04:40 PM   
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You do not want to land at Ominato. There is a static fortress there that will shred any Amphib TF you send. The location I like is Hachinohe. It is only 3 sea travel hexes from Hakodate and is in short LRCAP range from most of your bases on Hokkaido. It is clear terrain and there are major roads leading in three directions. Take Ominato from the rear, not a frontal attack.

There are about 1/2 a dozen places on the HI that have these static forts. Some of them are massive. I think most of them are in the south on the China Sea side. On the Pacific side Yokahama also has lots of costal defense guns. Lots and lots

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 5:22:08 PM   
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Time for another rope-a-dope, it should be pretty easy to convince Rader you're going after one target, then hit him somewhere else. He won't be able to react fast enough, with enough troops, to prevent you from securing a lodgement that can be expanded by the application of overwhelming firepower.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 5:28:15 PM   
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Sorry guys...busy day at work...turn sent btw...

When i was referring to Ominato i was thinking about the "ominato area"...i can suppress Ominato CD guns with massive air bombings. My idea is to land at Ominato first...so to suck his LCUs there and then land at Aikita and Hachinote and close the pocket...if i manage to have total air superiority (which is possible imho) i think it can be done.

John is right...CD guns are almost everywhere in Japan...think i cannot avoid them forever.

However it's still very early to think about that guys. First we need to get supply in place, then we need to take Okkenotan and Paramushiro and then we'll be able to think about operation "Hairy Olympic"

Will be back tonight with some updates...

damned job

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 5:30:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: paullus99

Time for another rope-a-dope, it should be pretty easy to convince Rader you're going after one target, then hit him somewhere else. He won't be able to react fast enough, with enough troops, to prevent you from securing a lodgement that can be expanded by the application of overwhelming firepower.


easy? even now? I think my best option is to rope-a-dope-that-ropes-a-dope...:-) meaning that i have to hope that he know may go thinking about some weird and strange strategies of mine...that i'm myskoskayaing (SP????) again when targetting Ominato...and that i'm probably landing somewhere like Bonins or Mariannas...while i'm just simply aiming at my easiest and closest target

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 5:32:00 PM   
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are you sure that you want to land at Ominato??? - have you considered other options?...

personally I perfer either Sendai or Niigata - the latter has the advantage of the island of Sadogashima providing offshore CAP ability....- another unsinkable CV...

I'd rather think that invading up there at the tip would be rather obvious....


You're right but the further south i go the more i go into the jaws of the lion...and the more i get away from my LBA CAP

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/12/2011 5:33:20 PM   
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I would land at Hachinoke and Akita and this would isolate Ominato and Hirosaki. Since GJ has air superiority over these bases, his armor would make it almost impossible to for him to be pushed out and then he can destroy the LCUs at his leisure.


It will be interesting in executing a two prong approach like this how much is required to get ashore and stay ashore .. it would seem that a landing on Honshu would play into the Kami strength? But if a plan like this was executed and successful then it would be over sooner than later ... I am just not sure building bases and proving the Curtis LeMay was right .. it is possible to bomb a nation into submission even with home rules to prevent it ..

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 6:05:14 PM   
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CA Australia didn't sink!!!! for the first time the synch bug brought me something gooooood!!! she's in bad shape but she should make it

Yet the raid over Hiroshima went even better than expected...fires were over 25k!!! and we actually bombed the city for 2 days instead of the only one shown in the replay


No clue where the KB is...no radio message...nada de nada


Result from the last strat bombing turn is really good....look at the 4es losses!




Just spent the last week frantically reading the whole AAR - I must say this is an amazing transformation of player skill (and fortunes) I've seen in an AAR.

Re the Hiroshima raid on May 27-28.
Three 4e raids on the first day of 373/40/17 planes then the P-38 sweep goes in afterwards with minor losses. What went wrong on the second day to loose 32 fighters against only 11 of the bombers?. GJ do you think that for a base with light CAP it might be better to stop sweeping - the 4e's look able to handle themselves quite well ?

More importantly - WHAT IS KB DOING SPLIT INTO DIVISIONS SAILING NEAR PALMYRA AND AUKLAND

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 6:20:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FOW


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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

CA Australia didn't sink!!!! for the first time the synch bug brought me something gooooood!!! she's in bad shape but she should make it

Yet the raid over Hiroshima went even better than expected...fires were over 25k!!! and we actually bombed the city for 2 days instead of the only one shown in the replay


No clue where the KB is...no radio message...nada de nada


Result from the last strat bombing turn is really good....look at the 4es losses!




Just spent the last week frantically reading the whole AAR - I must say this is an amazing transformation of player skill (and fortunes) I've seen in an AAR.

Re the Hiroshima raid on May 27-28.
Three 4e raids on the first day of 373/40/17 planes then the P-38 sweep goes in afterwards with minor losses. What went wrong on the second day to loose 32 fighters against only 11 of the bombers?. GJ do you think that for a base with light CAP it might be better to stop sweeping - the 4e's look able to handle themselves quite well ?

More importantly - WHAT IS KB DOING SPLIT INTO DIVISIONS SAILING NEAR PALMYRA AND AUKLAND


Hello FOW and welcome aboard!

I didn't report the whole combat report...consider that i had several sweep missions composed of 5, 10 or 12 P-38s....and they got outnumbered 5-1 at least...so i lost a couple of p_38 for every one of those buggy missions and this for two days turn...
probably yes, fighters are becoming a luxury by now...with the P47 production stopping now i'll have to be very carefull in the next months....This is gonna be a damned problem if you ask me...

The 4Es are able to handle themself only when they arrive in a BIG BOX...while the stragglers get their arse badly kicked...always

The KB? I sincerly do not know...lost track of its main body near palmyra last week....while a division (or maybe a single CV) is operating near NZ right now... if he's looking for some jiucy unescorted targets he's looking in the wrong place. If he's trying to lure me down there he's simply losing his time...and a lot of fuel!

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/12/2011 6:23:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Crackaces


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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

I would land at Hachinoke and Akita and this would isolate Ominato and Hirosaki. Since GJ has air superiority over these bases, his armor would make it almost impossible to for him to be pushed out and then he can destroy the LCUs at his leisure.


It will be interesting in executing a two prong approach like this how much is required to get ashore and stay ashore .. it would seem that a landing on Honshu would play into the Kami strength? But if a plan like this was executed and successful then it would be over sooner than later ... I am just not sure building bases and proving the Curtis LeMay was right .. it is possible to bomb a nation into submission even with home rules to prevent it ..


I think CRsutton's and others' concerns are right...without the P-47 prod rate my ability to sweep his skies and defend my 4Es will be severly lowered...and thus my strat bombing campaign will slow down in the next months...i gotta hurry up now untill i can...then the only solution will be to advance with my bases and so to invade Honshu itself

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 6:45:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SoliInvictus202
personally I perfer either Sendai or Niigata - the latter has the advantage of the island of Sadogashima providing offshore CAP ability....- another unsinkable CV...

I'd rather think that invading up there at the tip would be rather obvious....


I know Solinvictus...but to get to Sentai or Niigata i'll have to move there onky counting on my CVEs and CVs...and with the KB around and right in the face of several 9 lvl AFs...not exactly a good place to be found at... better safe than sorry

If i manage to get a base in northern japan...say Ominato or Aikita or hachinote...that will mean that my Corsairs will be in range of Tokyo...and seeing the stopping production on my P47s in june (tomorrow!!!) i badly need those bases

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/12/2011 6:47:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Karsten

great job GreyJoy,
i took me a few weeks to catch up in this AAR. This i for sure quiet a roller coaster raid for you with all kind of ups and downs.

Keep up the good work. i learned a lot (at least i ope) by reading this

karsten



Thx mate! and welcome aboard! feel free to comment, criticize, post pictures of naked 70ies women or whatever you prefer

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/12/2011 6:56:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Crackaces


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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

I would land at Hachinoke and Akita and this would isolate Ominato and Hirosaki. Since GJ has air superiority over these bases, his armor would make it almost impossible to for him to be pushed out and then he can destroy the LCUs at his leisure.


It will be interesting in executing a two prong approach like this how much is required to get ashore and stay ashore .. it would seem that a landing on Honshu would play into the Kami strength? But if a plan like this was executed and successful then it would be over sooner than later ... I am just not sure building bases and proving the Curtis LeMay was right .. it is possible to bomb a nation into submission even with home rules to prevent it ..


I think CRsutton's and others' concerns are right...without the P-47 prod rate my ability to sweep his skies and defend my 4Es will be severly lowered...and thus my strat bombing campaign will slow down in the next months...i gotta hurry up now untill i can...then the only solution will be to advance with my bases and so to invade Honshu itself


Other thing to factor in is the earlier you wreck a factory, the more aircraft production he loses since its a monthly thing.
Think the incentive here has to be to push as hard as you can as fast as you can, with the usual caveots of not throwing away resources.

A factory you kill this month gains you more than killing that same factory in six months.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/12/2011 7:05:52 PM   
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Why invade the rest of the Kuriles first? The longer you wait, the stronger his position in Honshu will get.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/12/2011 7:19:16 PM   
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Rader is facing a tough position though - he has to defend everywhere, while GJ has the freedom to invade where he wants with overwhelming power. Again, it isn't a question of getting ashore, but what GJ does once he has done so. At this point, it is just as important to plan the follow up to the landing (what needs to be accomplished, how, and with what resources) as to select a target to get ashore.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 7:46:46 PM   
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DTurtle makes a very good point. The rest of the Kuriles do little to nothing for you other than give you peace of mind. Perhaps, you can just keep them surpressed and bypass them? I mean if you are of the mind that you have to land on Honshu, it is likely better earlier than later.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 8:55:41 PM   
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i dont think it really matters because it seems he is not ready to invade yet so he might as well take them while he has time, but i agree if its going to slow down his stream of men and material to Hokkaido then he should just skip it

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 9:06:48 PM   
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I hope by now you have worked out where you are going anf begun prepping, you will need those 100pts wherever you go.

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Blood in the skies - 12/12/2011 11:05:32 PM   
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may 31, hune 1 1944

Another terribly expensive and bloody turn.

The mission against Nagaoka prooved to be bloodier than expected.
I had 100 corsairs on LRCAP and they suffered terribly....think i lost more than 60 of them (still don't have the turn yet)...and i really don't think, under these circumstances that LRCAP is better than escort
Again my P-47s arrived in numbers after the bombers which, when in big boxes, pretty much managed the defend well themselfs...while the stragglers get always mauled...

He had occasionally more than 700 fighters (CAP and leaky CAP) and his radar worked this time...

A bloody turn...but another KI-83 (51) factory is out of the equation, along with 2 (51) KI-201 factories. Not bad...but i cannot sustain these losses...we know that.

4CAs and 2 CLs, along with several destroyers appeared at Shortland...what is he up to??

Hi Franks swept Panggoe...and i don't have a radar there so my guys didn't perform pretty well except for the Spits that shot down 4 franks...p-39s and P-40s are really outclassed now

CA Sussex, sent into a suicide mission (she had to be withdrawn) did perform pretty well...i'll keep on using her in these kind of missions untill she gets sunk...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Buka at 108,129, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Mikuma
CA Kumano
DD Fujinami
DD Kiyonami
DD Hamanami
DD Asashimo
DD Tanikaze
DD Natsugumo
CL Teshio
CL Ninaru
DD Hikokaze
DD Kosukaze

Allied Ships
PT-113, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
PT-114, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-303, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-306, Shell hits 1, and is sunk


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Niigata at 114,57, Range 5,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAKL Gyokuyo Maru, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
xAKL Shunten Maru, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
xAKL Daichi Maru, Shell hits 6, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Sussex


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Night Naval bombardment of Nagaoka at 114,58

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 12 damaged
J1N1-S Irving: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-I Tony: 7 damaged
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 damaged
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84a Frank: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Sussex

Japanese ground losses:
105 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8

CA Sussex firing at Nagaoka


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Morning Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 18
A6M5 Zero x 55
J2M3 Jack x 23
N1K1-J George x 174
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 209
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 22
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 57
Ki-84a Frank x 71
Ki-100-I Tony x 184
Ki-102b Randy x 8



Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 18 Sweep
F4U-1A Corsair x 71 LRCAP
Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 5 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 7 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 11 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 6 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 11 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 13
A6M5 Zero x 50
J2M3 Jack x 23
N1K1-J George x 155
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 179
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 17
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 42
Ki-84a Frank x 51
Ki-100-I Tony x 139
Ki-102b Randy x 2 this is a new one!


Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 15
Liberator B.VI x 25
Liberator GR.III x 16
Liberator GR.VI x 16
B-24D1 Liberator x 63
B-24J Liberator x 266
F4U-1 Corsair x 76 *escorting*...these guys did pretty well
F4U-1A Corsair x 38
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 54


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator GR.III: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
F4U-1 Corsair: 3 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged



Ki-201 Karyu factory hits 28
Ki-83 factory hits 30
Ki-201 Karyu factory hits 4

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Morning Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 68 NM, estimated altitude 40,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 12
A6M5 Zero x 48
J2M3 Jack x 23
N1K1-J George x 129
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 148
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 11
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 35
Ki-84a Frank x 44
Ki-100-I Tony x 117
Ki-102b Randy x 2



Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 92
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 221
F4U-1A Corsair x 12


Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 15 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 11 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 20 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed




SECOND DAY

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Morning Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 38,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 17
A6M5 Zero x 50
J2M3 Jack x 23
N1K1-J George x 148
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 162
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 17
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 43
Ki-84a Frank x 46
Ki-100-I Tony x 128
Ki-102b Randy x 8



Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 18
F4U-1A Corsair x 9


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 2 destroyed
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 5 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on Panggoe , at 111,133

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 25



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 7
P-39N1 Airacobra x 7
P-40N5 Warhawk x 7
F6F-3 Hellcat x 13


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39N1 Airacobra: 4 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed



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Morning Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 14
A6M5 Zero x 47
J2M3 Jack x 23
N1K1-J George x 139
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 145
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 17
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 40
Ki-84a Frank x 43
Ki-100-I Tony x 117
Ki-102b Randy x 8



Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 15
Liberator B.VI x 27
Liberator GR.III x 15
B-24D1 Liberator x 46
B-24J Liberator x 236
F4U-1 Corsair x 60
F4U-1A Corsair x 35
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 52


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 8 damaged
F4U-1 Corsair: 5 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed



Ki-201 Karyu factory hits 11
Ki-83 factory hits 3
Ki-201 Karyu factory hits 2


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Morning Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 14
A6M5 Zero x 24
J2M3 Jack x 23
N1K1-J George x 126
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 113
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 16
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 29
Ki-84a Frank x 29
Ki-100-I Tony x 93
Ki-102b Randy x 8



Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.VI x 16
F4U-1A Corsair x 22


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator GR.VI: 8 destroyed, 2 damaged
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 38,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 14
A6M5 Zero x 12
J2M3 Jack x 17
N1K1-J George x 102
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 84
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 12
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 21
Ki-84a Frank x 22
Ki-100-I Tony x 59
Ki-102b Randy x 6



Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 90
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 194
F4U-1A Corsair x 7


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 4 destroyed
J2M3 Jack: 4 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 10 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 6 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 14 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 14
A6M5 Zero x 1
J2M3 Jack x 12
N1K1-J George x 68
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 57
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 15
Ki-84a Frank x 17
Ki-100-I Tony x 27
Ki-102b Randy x 3



Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 8
F4U-1A Corsair x 21


Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
F4U-1A Corsair: 5 destroyed



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Morning Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 10
A6M5 Zero x 1
J2M3 Jack x 6
N1K1-J George x 42
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 23
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 2
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 10
Ki-100-I Tony x 14



Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 7
F4U-1A Corsair x 1


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged


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Morning Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 7
A6M5 Zero x 1
J2M3 Jack x 5
N1K1-J George x 38
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 13
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 2
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 6
Ki-100-I Tony x 13



Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 8


Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged


...and many more...most of them in groups of 8 liberators


however, i need to get the eastern Kuriles for the simple fact that it's costing me a lot in terms of supplies and devoted assets(recon, bombers, BBs etc) to keep those four bases suppressed. I already have the divisions 100% prepped for this task so i won't change them right now....those bases, if not suppressed, could really be dangeorus...imagine a mass Kamikaze attack based there to my supply lines!!!....no, i need to have at least 2 of those 4...Paramushiro and Onnekotan...so to have my right flank completely covered.

And yes, i'm already prepping my divisions for Akita, Hachodate and Ominato




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Ok, let's make a summary.
We've wiped out 46 Tojo at Harbin, 51 Shindens at Sendai, 51 KI-83 and 102 Ki-201 at Nagoate, 56 Zeros at Hachiote, at least 60 KI-83 at Maebashi, 153 KI-83 at Mammatsu and 51 Shindens at Hiroshima, along with some more collateral damages to other plane production.
The only intact KI-83 factory is at Gifu (very well defended)... but i think it's not a bad result for the first 3 weeks of bombing.
Losses are pretty high tough...but i think i have to accept them as part of the overall equation.

Are we really sure that fire bombing isn't a better choice when we target large concentration of different factories?

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re firebombing: it depends on what you want:

HI, LI, manpower and SOME other factories get damaged A LOT with fire bombing... if you can hit a town hard enough that fires don't go out for 2-3 days - damage will be extensive...

BUT:
individual factories such as engine, plane etc... do not receive as much damage as HI and LI...

at least this is my experience from 8 months of INTENSIVE strat bombing of JApan via Hokkaido - both using night fire bombing and day precision bombing!


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