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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/8/2011 9:06:17 PM   
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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/8/2011 9:07:58 PM   
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Oh sweet Flying Spaghetti Monster the hyperbole is reaching delusional heights now.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/8/2011 9:10:00 PM   
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I'm thinking about Korea or northern Honshu.
Korea will be for sure less defended than Japan but to get there i'll need to expose my fleet to his LBA+KB+Surface Combined fleet.


I would think the China/Manchuko army would collapse into Korea if you invade Korea. In addition not sure u could maintain supply thru sea of japan. The good thing would be those units would not return into Japan.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/8/2011 9:34:07 PM   
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I'm thinking about Korea or northern Honshu.
Korea will be for sure less defended than Japan but to get there i'll need to expose my fleet to his LBA+KB+Surface Combined fleet.


I would think the China/Manchuko army would collapse into Korea if you invade Korea. In addition not sure u could maintain supply thru sea of japan. The good thing would be those units would not return into Japan.


Plus, what do you get out of Korea? Not like you need more airbases close to Honshu and its peripheral to the Japanese war effort at this point (although maybe somebody more familiar with Japanese production will disagree)

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/8/2011 9:37:04 PM   
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I'm thinking about Korea or northern Honshu.
Korea will be for sure less defended than Japan but to get there i'll need to expose my fleet to his LBA+KB+Surface Combined fleet.


I would think the China/Manchuko army would collapse into Korea if you invade Korea. In addition not sure u could maintain supply thru sea of japan. The good thing would be those units would not return into Japan.


Plus, what do you get out of Korea? Not like you need more airbases close to Honshu and its peripheral to the Japanese war effort at this point (although maybe somebody more familiar with Japanese production will disagree)

I would expect an invasion of Korea to be a one way trip. Better to go direct into Honshu or one of those off coast islands to get the fighter bases.(is not that what we did in real life, get some off coast islands?)

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/8/2011 9:51:31 PM   
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The real benefit of an invasion into Korea would be to, potentially, drop the Japanese garrison in Manchukuo/Korea below 8,000 AV and force the activation of the Soviets.

Sneaky and powerful and guaranteed to allow the Soviets to sweep into China, collapsing the IJA - which Rader must be relying on to garrison Honshu. So, the best reason to invade Korea is its indirect effects elsewhere.

With that said there's a superior utilisation for those troops instead of Korea - at least temporally.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/8/2011 10:09:34 PM   
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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/8/2011 10:12:43 PM   
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The real benefit of an invasion into Korea would be to, potentially, drop the Japanese garrison in Manchukuo/Korea below 8,000 AV and force the activation of the Soviets.

Sneaky and powerful and guaranteed to allow the Soviets to sweep into China, collapsing the IJA - which Rader must be relying on to garrison Honshu. So, the best reason to invade Korea is its indirect effects elsewhere.

With that said there's a superior utilisation for those troops instead of Korea - at least temporally.



yup, that was the idea. Forcing him to lower his AVs in Manchukoku and so threatening the Soviet Activation...this should force him to divert some troops from Japan to Korea and so leaving Japan more exposed...

However i haven't decided yet so we're just speculating.

Anyway guys...let's not get tense. We're gonna begin our air offensive very very soon. You have my word. Once this offensive has started we will all be able to decide if our 4Es will lead the dance or if it will be our land soldiers that will carry the Allies to victory

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/8/2011 10:24:49 PM   
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Just don't let him force or tempt you into a major naval battle unless you're sure you'll win it.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/8/2011 11:25:49 PM   
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Canoe Rebel is correct, I should shut up and let GJ play the game.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/8/2011 11:42:14 PM   
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Ser Greyjoy, that uh, thing, above is certainly not you. I checked its hands. Too many fingers. But, I think it would fit right in with the Walking Dead cast.

I go away a few days and the advice has reached avalanche proportions. How do you play the game, read all this advice and carry on a normal biz and social life? Your lady friend(s) will surely have much to say about this use of your time:).

Anyway, congrates on burying all those LYBs and clearing the big island. I'm sure the Emperor is letting his frustration show by now. That was an interesting bit of advice Nemo laid out about allowing the LYBs to continue to hold onto a bit of the island and continue to send men and material in. Very subtle. My feeble and blood thirsty mind would not have conceived of that clever trickery.

I have no experience with mass strat bombing raids, so all this has been a real lesson learned for princepbolton as well. I know swords, but am a stranger to B-29s. I'm sure this is going to be great fun. I trust you shall enjoy roasting weines and marshmellows over the great fires you will be bringing to the Sons of the Rising Sun. Just remember....they started it.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 12:47:03 AM   
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The real benefit of an invasion into Korea would be to, potentially, drop the Japanese garrison in Manchukuo/Korea below 8,000 AV and force the activation of the Soviets.

Sneaky and powerful and guaranteed to allow the Soviets to sweep into China, collapsing the IJA - which Rader must be relying on to garrison Honshu. So, the best reason to invade Korea is its indirect effects elsewhere.

With that said there's a superior utilisation for those troops instead of Korea - at least temporally.

ummmm, a real game killer to japan...wonder what the VP effect would be? hell, the jap troops cant get home fast enough.
Rader wont worry about resources, he will need those transports for his troops....talk about a Mogadishu mile...we will have to call it the China sea shuffle....



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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 1:54:04 AM   
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I would let you represent me...

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 9:54:59 AM   
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May 11, 12, 1944

After one week of constant attacks the II Aus Corp managed to break the japanese lines southwest of Salamua (NG).
The position (mountain terrain) was held by the 4th Jap division, supported by an AA unit and by a SNLF unit.
The II Aus Corp was composed by the 3rd AUS Div and the 27th US Div (those that were destroyed during the second japanese conquest of PM in Dec42-Jan43), backed up by an AUS light armoured Bde.
Our brave soldiers, despite obtaining 1-2 odds for 5 times in a row finally managed (also thanks to the 14th USAFF Air Force based at PM) to penetrate the japanese lines and pushed them back to Salamua.
Now the whole japanese front between Terapo and Buna is at risk of being cut in two. The 1st Guards Division still in Terapo facing the NewZelanders will have to rush back and so it will have the 16th Japanese Army trenched between Buna and Salamua.
During this week of fights the air over the Owen Stanley has seen some harsh dogfights.
The RAAF fighters took the upper hand and did most of the job. Finally the 79th RAAF Squadron, along with its twin squadron (the 82th RAAF), equipped with SpitsVIII, scored its first kills, facing not less than 100 between Franks, Tojos and Zeros. The AUS Spits and the American P-47s constantly cleared the skies above the II AUS Corp, giving to our Micthells the chance to break the japs' will of fighting.
Only during the last turn more than 60 japanese fighters were wiped out of the skies and we lost only 2 spits and 6 P-47D2s...a very good achievement!

In Hokkaido and NOPAC our 4Es are arriving and i think in 2 more turns we will be able to strike (time to get all my planes repaired and to absorb the fatigue of the long travels).
650 4Es will attack Japan in this first wave.
But i wanna wait for a decent forecasted weather (weather seems to be always bad in Japan).

On the West Coast finally we managed to re-group 1,000 transport ships that are already starting to load supplies, fuel and troops. 4 ASW TFs and 4 SCTFs will guard this important expedition
From a rough math i'd say that we should be able to bring at least 2,000,000 of supplies and some 1,000,000 of fuel, plus the equivalent of 3,500 AVs.
Our CVEs will escort the convoys while our CVs will guard the approaches between Midway and Paramushiro, along with subs and a good number of picket TFs

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 10:11:45 AM   
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don't bother about waiting for good weather... - I've had the same experience with weather over Hokkaido... - it's always thunderstorms or heavy rains.... doesn't get any better... at least not in the 9 months I've been on this island now with my Allied troops...

sometimes your bombers take off - sometimes they don't... night bombing is particularly difficult....

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 10:38:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SoliInvictus202

don't bother about waiting for good weather... - I've had the same experience with weather over Hokkaido... - it's always thunderstorms or heavy rains.... doesn't get any better... at least not in the 9 months I've been on this island now with my Allied troops...

sometimes your bombers take off - sometimes they don't... night bombing is particularly difficult....


Ouch...seriously?....pity

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 1:11:59 PM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 13, 44

Dogfights over the II Aus Corp

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Morning Air attack on 25th Field AA Machinecannon Company, at 98,128 , near Salamaua

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 38
Ki-84a Frank x 50



Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 24


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 25th Field AA Machinecannon Company, at 98,128 , near Salamaua

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 38,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 26
Ki-84a Frank x 25



Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 18


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 7 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on 25th Field AA Machinecannon Company, at 98,128 , near Salamaua

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 38,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 12
Ki-84a Frank x 16



Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 18


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 4 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed



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Morning Air attack on 25th Field AA Machinecannon Company, at 98,128 , near Salamaua

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 40,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 5



Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 18


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses


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Ground combat at 98,128 (near Salamaua)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 25489 troops, 374 guns, 542 vehicles, Assault Value = 951

Defending force 6589 troops, 92 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 245

Allied adjusted assault: 671

Japanese adjusted defense: 271

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
906 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 32 disabled
Non Combat: 26 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 23 (11 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Units destroyed 2


Allied ground losses:
197 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
27th Infantry Division
2/2nd Ind Coy
2/4 MG Battalion
3rd Australian Division
Gull Battalion
4th Armoured Brigade
II Australian

Defending units:
4th Division
25th Field AA Machinecannon Company
Yokosuka 1st SNLF /1


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 14, 44

We naval bombed the northern coast of Japan for the second time...
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Night Naval bombardment of Hachinohe at 118,55

Allied Ships
BC Renown
CA Exeter
CA Louisville
CA Portland
CL Denver
DD Uhlmann
DD William Porter
DD Picking
DD McCord
DD Marshall
DD Luce
DD Longshaw

Japanese ground losses:
513 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 12 (2 destroyed, 10 disabled)



Manpower hits 18
Resources hits 1
Fires 1320
Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 114
Port hits 25
Port fuel hits 20
Port supply hits 7

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Ground combat at 98,128 (near Salamaua)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 25296 troops, 374 guns, 542 vehicles, Assault Value = 926

Defending force 5873 troops, 83 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 181

Allied adjusted assault: 688

Japanese adjusted defense: 160

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1290 casualties reported
Squads: 90 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 33 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 12 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 20 (18 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units retreated 1


Allied ground losses:
303 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
Gull Battalion
27th Infantry Division
2/2nd Ind Coy
2/4 MG Battalion
3rd Australian Division
4th Armoured Brigade
II Australian

Defending units:
4th Division







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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 1:22:44 PM   
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Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 38
Ki-84a Frank x 50


Well it seems he has not pulled all his front line fighters back to the HI. Hope this doesn't mean he has more Franks then he can use right now

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 3:38:12 PM   
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Wow! I have changed my mind. I no longer want to have his baby...

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 3:49:39 PM   
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Instead I have decided to found a "cult" I call it "Joyism" We worship all that is Greyjoy...






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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 4:17:54 PM   
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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 4:27:58 PM   
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Instead I have decided to found a "cult" I call it "Joyism" We worship all that is Greyjoy...





And the symbol of joyism is the 4EB on the ground to keep it safe?

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 4:34:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

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Instead I have decided to found a "cult" I call it "Joyism" We worship all that is Greyjoy...





And the symbol of joyism is the 4EB on the ground to keep it safe?



ahahahah, com'on, be patient...just few days and you'll see our beloved 4Es fly in the sky

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 4:46:29 PM   
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Bullwinkle,

I re-iterate.... I didn't say, to use your phrase, that the beta change is a "yawn".


Rsponded to in the main forum.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 5:45:51 PM   
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ahahahah, com'on, be patient...just few days and you'll see our beloved 4Es fly in the sky

Sorry, I thought the question mark would make this seem OK. I just love cargo cults so I had to make the joke. You're fine. I kind of agree with your caution. Even if you have 650 bombers a couple of bad air battles might put you past your replacement rate. That being said, if your are not going to use your bombers here where would you use them. Anyway, I'm sure this groups knows all about cargo cults. For those that don't, it pretty fascinating stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult





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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 6:45:30 PM   
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No need to be sorry John! i got it and was kidding too

A question for you experten out there.... do you think for what concerns strat bombing the terrain and/or forts do play any difference in the overall result of the bombing?
i know they make difference in ground or airstrip bombings, but i'm not sure if they do in Strat bombing...

planning planning planning.... today will be slow cause Rader is pretty busy....so i'm spending lot of time in planning the next strat bombing campaign...changing leaders, changing HQs... dirty work some may call it

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 9:55:41 PM   
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do you think for what concerns strat bombing the terrain and/or forts do play any difference in the overall result of the bombing?

Not that I am aware of. AAA is nasty to large bombers in large concentrations. The high altitude will help, but you are still going to get increased operational losses as many bombers get damaged and don't fly again. A thought. Nemo told you to hurry up before he got lots of fighters home. Too late for that. However, Raeder probably has not gotten all the AAA back from India and elsewhere. They are on the way, but you will get a AAA "discount" while that stuff is in transit

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 9:57:38 PM   
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I'm not sure that forts or terrain is relevant, you need to attack the most worthwhile targets that your air force can reach and afford.

You now seem to have given rader plenty of time to get his AAA and fighters in place, isnt it about time to start using that island you captured?


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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/9/2011 10:22:56 PM   
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You now seem to have given rader plenty of time to get his AAA and fighters in place
not so sure. Fighters yes, but he had plenty of AA in India and the SW pacific that GJ knows of and I bet the DEI had lots. It's close to getting home, but probably not all there yet. Also, only the really heave stuff is useful for high altitude bombers. I'm not expert on Japanese AA, but if I were in GJ position I would research the heavy AA units and find their maximum effective altitude. Some of it can't be avoided, but one can make educated choices

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/10/2011 1:10:03 AM   
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Ok guys...you wanted blood and mass destruction? epic struggles and Gods' battles?

Well, you're gonna have it next turn.

MAEBASHI is targetted.
More than 1500 enemy fighters based in a range of 2 hexes.
We're gonna have 200 P-47s sweeping from Hakkodate, 100 P-38s on LRCAP from Hakkodate (still lvl 8 AF so i had to keep the numbers down in order to avoid air stacking limits), more 340 planes sweeping from Sapporo, 100 planes escorting from Sapporo (which is overstacked) and 600 4Es taking off from Bihoro.

3 HQs present (Bihoro, Sapporo and Hakkodate).

Targets? A/C factories at Maebashi...more than 700 fighters are produced there monthly

It's gonna be a hell of a battle....

And i'm sweating at the idea of how many pilots i'm gonna lose....

but, as you all know...i have to

Flak should be low... Maebashi is the only base with less than 100 guns present...

finger crossed....

I fear i'm facing for the first time the dreaded KI-83....

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