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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 5/25/2011 1:51:33 PM   
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I was thinking, "some kind of phaser."  

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 5/25/2011 1:55:08 PM   
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I was thinking, "some kind of phaser."  


Whatever it is, it looks angry.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/2/2011 4:16:15 AM   
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For whatever its worth I bought a liquid cooled computer a while back and I love it. No need to overclock as it was a decent beast. I do love the fact its much quieter than my previous machine. Even with stealth fans my previous computer sounded like a 747 when I fired it up and it was a dual core, not a quad like my liquid cooled one.

I wouldn't go back to just fan cooled systems now. I used to build computers myself. If you have any basic mechanical aptitude you should be able to build your own liquid beast. Heat is the enemy of electronics.

Besides IIRC you served on a sub. Aren't you all trained to be Mr Fix it and hands on ready to do anything with a screwdriver and wrench?

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/2/2011 1:40:18 PM   
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For whatever its worth I bought a liquid cooled computer a while back and I love it. No need to overclock as it was a decent beast. I do love the fact its much quieter than my previous machine. Even with stealth fans my previous computer sounded like a 747 when I fired it up and it was a dual core, not a quad like my liquid cooled one.

I wouldn't go back to just fan cooled systems now. I used to build computers myself. If you have any basic mechanical aptitude you should be able to build your own liquid beast. Heat is the enemy of electronics.

Besides IIRC you served on a sub. Aren't you all trained to be Mr Fix it and hands on ready to do anything with a screwdriver and wrench?



I was a supply officer. I was handy with a pork chop or a DD1348 (6 part).

I've been away from AE for a week researching every piece of gear I'm about to buy, now that Bessie is dead. Delving into Sandy Bridge Turbo Boost multiplier effects versus standard overclocking, SLI power and heat versus one big GPU, how a 1000W power supply will affect the older house wiring we have and whether I'll need an electrician to reroute some circuits in the walls, TN versus IPS monitors, and power gaming mice, to name a few. Going to order Friday.

Going Turbo only; no overclock. Going to get SLI-ready on PSU and mobo, but wait to see how power consumption and GPU card prices behave in the next year. (GeForce x570 as GPU.) I can SLI on my own if needed/wanted. SB i7 2600k CPU. 8 GB RAM, WD 1 TB HD (I have three legacy HDs I'll reuse in some combo. Didn't go SSD this round.) Massive amounts of CPU air cooling; the heatsinks alone are five inches long, plus four 200mm case fans. HAF case. 1000W Corsair PSU. Razer Blackwidow Ultimate illuminated clicky keyboard. Logitech MX518 mouse. HP ZR24w 24 in IPS monitor.

Going to be a Ferrari next to Bessie's Studebaker. Can't wait. But I must.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/2/2011 3:15:43 PM   
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Reminds me of playing Lord of the Rings Online on an ancient machine. There was no grass and the water on the lakes and streams was just a white sheet. When my gaming machine arrived I installed LOTRO and oh my god, it was like playing a new game with the grass flowing in the wind and seeing the ripples in the water.

I'm such a nerd.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/2/2011 3:31:21 PM   
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Sounds like a good beast of burden. I used Nvidia and ATI in the past. I now have an ATI in my machine. I've heard of driver issues with NVidia cards fairly recently with certain games. Don't know if that's been sorted out.

With multi core CPUs and GPU superprocessing becoming the norm it won't be long before we have the capabiliy to have human like AI and photorealistic WitP!

I've been away for an extended period. After a year plus cranking out 3-5 turns a day I took a break and got into guns and tactical shooting. Talk about fun!

I bought War in the East when it came out and played a little then left it alone. I'm now considering a game, but the East Front is a completely different beast. Looks like one big sausage factory.

I do see the latest WitP updates adds some new scenarios.

Argh too many games and guns and not enough time.

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ORIGINAL: sfbaytf

For whatever its worth I bought a liquid cooled computer a while back and I love it. No need to overclock as it was a decent beast. I do love the fact its much quieter than my previous machine. Even with stealth fans my previous computer sounded like a 747 when I fired it up and it was a dual core, not a quad like my liquid cooled one.

I wouldn't go back to just fan cooled systems now. I used to build computers myself. If you have any basic mechanical aptitude you should be able to build your own liquid beast. Heat is the enemy of electronics.

Besides IIRC you served on a sub. Aren't you all trained to be Mr Fix it and hands on ready to do anything with a screwdriver and wrench?



I was a supply officer. I was handy with a pork chop or a DD1348 (6 part).

I've been away from AE for a week researching every piece of gear I'm about to buy, now that Bessie is dead. Delving into Sandy Bridge Turbo Boost multiplier effects versus standard overclocking, SLI power and heat versus one big GPU, how a 1000W power supply will affect the older house wiring we have and whether I'll need an electrician to reroute some circuits in the walls, TN versus IPS monitors, and power gaming mice, to name a few. Going to order Friday.

Going Turbo only; no overclock. Going to get SLI-ready on PSU and mobo, but wait to see how power consumption and GPU card prices behave in the next year. (GeForce x570 as GPU.) I can SLI on my own if needed/wanted. SB i7 2600k CPU. 8 GB RAM, WD 1 TB HD (I have three legacy HDs I'll reuse in some combo. Didn't go SSD this round.) Massive amounts of CPU air cooling; the heatsinks alone are five inches long, plus four 200mm case fans. HAF case. 1000W Corsair PSU. Razer Blackwidow Ultimate illuminated clicky keyboard. Logitech MX518 mouse. HP ZR24w 24 in IPS monitor.

Going to be a Ferrari next to Bessie's Studebaker. Can't wait. But I must.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/2/2011 3:55:57 PM   
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I've used both Nvidea and ATI. I never really saw one being better than the other.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/2/2011 9:36:35 PM   
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Reminds me of playing Lord of the Rings Online on an ancient machine. There was no grass and the water on the lakes and streams was just a white sheet. When my gaming machine arrived I installed LOTRO and oh my god, it was like playing a new game with the grass flowing in the wind and seeing the ripples in the water.

I'm such a nerd.


Bessie was like that with "Fallout: New Vegas." I managed 1.5 run throughs, but the graphics were dialed down so low that bad guys magically appeared six feet in front of me already firing.

I have a list of shooters I could never touch, starting with COD3 and later. Going to be a loud summer in Frostbite Falls.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/2/2011 9:42:14 PM   
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Sounds like a good beast of burden. I used Nvidia and ATI in the past. I now have an ATI in my machine. I've heard of driver issues with NVidia cards fairly recently with certain games. Don't know if that's been sorted out.

With multi core CPUs and GPU superprocessing becoming the norm it won't be long before we have the capabiliy to have human like AI and photorealistic WitP!

I've been away for an extended period. After a year plus cranking out 3-5 turns a day I took a break and got into guns and tactical shooting. Talk about fun!

I bought War in the East when it came out and played a little then left it alone. I'm now considering a game, but the East Front is a completely different beast. Looks like one big sausage factory.

I do see the latest WitP updates adds some new scenarios.

Argh too many games and guns and not enough time.



Welcome bqck!

I've always had ATI cards, but they've been bought and I neve rlike to buy any product in the m idst of a merger/buy-out. Also, I've had issues with Crystal drivers not keeping up in the past. Nvidia is sort of the stqandard gaming card line now, at least for action, and they've put physics processors on the card which I don't understand , but sound cool.

I've been lurking in the WitE forums some, and it seems like the game was shipped undone, or at least undertested in 1943- onward. GG again facing the design challenge of what to hard code for the historical path bunch, and what to leav eopen for the4 what-if crowd. The blizzard turns sounds like it was a mess, b ut I understand that's sorta fixed. Now the German retreat era is causing problems. I may play WitE someday, but not until it's stable.

The latest AE betas add a huge amount to the game, especially in the logistics side. Worth taking a look.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 4:21:49 AM   
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I'll take a look. Don't know if I want to dive back in for a full blown campaign. I'm going to be relocating for work in a few months and things may get hectic for a while. A smaller scenario may be ok. I do miss the 42 and 43 Campaigns from the original WitP.

Been looking in the WitE forums too and looks like some more work needs to get done. I'm not surprised it was a massive undertaking to begin with. Sounds like they do want to eventually create a Western Front and North Africa game so they do have incentive to get things right eventually. Personally I think they should have began with the Western Front before taking on the East Front, but that's just my bias. I do wonder how "fun" it will be playing 42-43 on the Eastern Front. One thing WitP AE has going for it is its still fun and challenging for both side in 43-44. Sounds like on the Eastern Front its just a big attrition grind.



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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 5:38:41 AM   
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I'll take a look. Don't know if I want to dive back in for a full blown campaign. I'm going to be relocating for work in a few months and things may get hectic for a while. A smaller scenario may be ok. I do miss the 42 and 43 Campaigns from the original WitP.



Nikademus has a 1942 start mod in progress.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2753637

Andy Mac is still working on AI scripts, but I think i'ts about done for PBEM.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 6:10:10 AM   
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Flipping a switch, typing, and using a mouse is the sum total of my computer knowledge. I have no idea - none - what you guys are talking about. It reminds me of taking my first computer science course back in 1981, trying to understand Fortran and "do loops." All of you contributing to this thread are speaking a different language.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 6:47:13 AM   
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Flipping a switch, typing, and using a mouse is the sum total of my computer knowledge. I have no idea - none - what you guys are talking about. It reminds me of taking my first computer science course back in 1981, trying to understand Fortran and "do loops." All of you contributing to this thread are speaking a different language.

P.S. Congrats, Bullwinkle, on your marriage.



You should expand a bit. PCs can do some amazing things now. Even help you type better.

Mrs. Moose says "hi" to all of you. She thinks you're all a bit odd, but "cute". Me too. (I mean she thinks I am too; I don't think anyone of you is cute. English is odd . . .)

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 1:45:51 PM   
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Since you are known by Bullwinkle, I think you should refer to your wife as The Squirrel.

Just my opinion.




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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 3:03:58 PM   
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Looking to upgrade very soon. Reading reviews of the Black Pearl model from CyberPower, and it seems like a lot of box for the money. Alienware, Falcon and the other bigs seem overpriced on a component-to-component basis. CyberPower doesn't have the marketing and overhead they do (yet.)

My concerns are manufacturing QA, whether they come with full disks for all software installed and not boot disks talking to .cab files on the HD (which are gone in a disk crash), and if the buying experience is smooth or one-horse.

I don't want to build my own; I'm looking just for info and opinions on this brand, either the Black Pearl or any of their other gaming-oriented models.

Anyone?


Little late in the game Bullwinkle, but I got a new computer from NewEgg.com last summer. The brand name is IBuyPower. I've been very pleased with this computer, it came clean (that is Win7 OS only installed) and is built for gaming. The only con I had was the cooling fans were only 80mm, but I easily rememdied that for an extra $10 and bought some good 120mm fans plus a PCI slot fan for good measure, well two, the tower is a little flimsy, but usable.

Specs: I7 Core 930 Bloomfield, 12 GB of RAM, 1 TB HD, GeForce GS250 Video Card. It has purred like a kitten from day 1 with zero problems.


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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 3:28:16 PM   
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Since you are known by Bullwinkle, I think you should refer to your wife as The Squirrel.

Just my opinion.




Well, she's certainly the brains of the outfit.

But at six-foot even in stocking feet I don't think she'd fit in the costume.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 3:47:22 PM   
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Little late in the game Bullwinkle, but I got a new computer from NewEgg.com last summer. The brand name is IBuyPower. I've been very pleased with this computer, it came clean (that is Win7 OS only installed) and is built for gaming. The only con I had was the cooling fans were only 80mm, but I easily rememdied that for an extra $10 and bought some good 120mm fans plus a PCI slot fan for good measure, well two, the tower is a little flimsy, but usable.

Specs: I7 Core 930 Bloomfield, 12 GB of RAM, 1 TB HD, GeForce GS250 Video Card. It has purred like a kitten from day 1 with zero problems.



I'm waiting on one last e-mail answer fromtech suport on yet another fan question, then I'm ordering today. I decided to go with DigitalStorm. Not the cheapest, but pretty good, and I think they have the customer service I'm looking for.

One thing I've learned is that most of the major gaming rig configurators have dual channels. They offer customization (which I'm doing) as well as a line of pre-configured models which they sell through channels like Newegg and Tiger Direct at a lower price to reflect the lack of customization labor. They can set up efficient production runs of these, using the exact components they use in the customized boxes, and get customers who want power but either don't want to pay the boutique labor, or just don't want to mess with the details of customizing. DigitalStorm just launched a new line of these pre-made PCs this week. They are screaming designs, more powerful than I'm getting in some areas, but several hundred dollars cheaper. Good marketing, good operational strategy. I believe CyberpowerPC does the same, as well as others.

This learning and trade-off period has been a lot of fun for me. Things have changed so much since I was last in the market. And it could go on if I let it. Just last night I found a better alternative keyboard than the Razer for what I want. Tiny Chinese company, teetering on failure, but they seem to make the best keyboard I've been able to find for my set of requirements.

http://www.amazon.com/XArmor-U9BL-S-backlit-mechanical-keyboard/dp/B004OLLXVQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1307065642&sr=1-1

Cherry MX Brown switches instead of Blue, a "normal" font on the keys instead of Razer's "Kool Dude" font, no macro keys where I don't want them, etc. The Razer was a compromise; this one looks like a perfect fit. Before the Web this wouldn't have been possible. This company would never be able to get brick&mortar shelf space with the marketing and slotting fees that entails.

I've also been able to use YouTube extensively to see monitors, mice, keyboards, etc. in actual use. The "unboxing" video is stereotypical by now, and some are much better than others, but this medium is perfect for seeing what you get in the box and how it looks set ujp. The audio of the "clickiness" of various keyboards is what helped steer me away from Cherry MX Blue switches for example.

I'm pretty excited on the new addition to the family. Now I can start the really fun stuff--looking for games to stretch its legs. I'll still play AE of course, but sometimes you don't want to think. You just want to blow stuff up!!


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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 4:00:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Looking to upgrade very soon. Reading reviews of the Black Pearl model from CyberPower, and it seems like a lot of box for the money. Alienware, Falcon and the other bigs seem overpriced on a component-to-component basis. CyberPower doesn't have the marketing and overhead they do (yet.)

My concerns are manufacturing QA, whether they come with full disks for all software installed and not boot disks talking to .cab files on the HD (which are gone in a disk crash), and if the buying experience is smooth or one-horse.

I don't want to build my own; I'm looking just for info and opinions on this brand, either the Black Pearl or any of their other gaming-oriented models.

Anyone?


Wow! Thirteen hundred bucks is a good deal (and just for the tower)? I guess I'm not going to find much on the $500-600 my wife has approved for my next upgrade!

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 4:06:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Looking to upgrade very soon. Reading reviews of the Black Pearl model from CyberPower, and it seems like a lot of box for the money. Alienware, Falcon and the other bigs seem overpriced on a component-to-component basis. CyberPower doesn't have the marketing and overhead they do (yet.)

My concerns are manufacturing QA, whether they come with full disks for all software installed and not boot disks talking to .cab files on the HD (which are gone in a disk crash), and if the buying experience is smooth or one-horse.

I don't want to build my own; I'm looking just for info and opinions on this brand, either the Black Pearl or any of their other gaming-oriented models.

Anyone?


Wow! Thirteen hundred bucks is a good deal (and just for the tower)? I guess I'm not going to find much on the $500-600 my wife has approved for my next upgrade!


That was the about price for the one I described above. $1300 was actually cheaper than if I'd gotten all the parts and put it together myself. You can't beat that kind of deal. If you want top of the line, you are going to pay for it, but if you go mid-range, $600 will do fine.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 4:30:40 PM   
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Oy!

If only i could afford to build a machine right now. Alas, i must settle for trying to set up my old MacBookPro for a triple boot.

Still have my old P4 though for the older games that never go out of style. Elite Forces from 2000 is a gem.



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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 4:33:55 PM   
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I got my liquid cooled beast from IBuy power and love it. Going from air cooled (radial engine) to liquid cooled (inline engine) was well worth it. With no flak or bullets to worry about puncturing the cooling system, I have me a quiet and stable beast that eats up just about anything I throw at it. Even A-10 from Eagle Dynamics runs well at 1600x resolution.

Canoerebel-Fortran? man thats ancient. In any case I not a programmer. I do things like build PCs, install operating systems and manage SCCM and security updates at work. Will eventually get a computer forensics cert-when I can make the time. Of course if I allow myself to get sucked back into WitP ill suddenly find myself out of free time!

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 4:33:59 PM   
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Wow! Thirteen hundred bucks is a good deal (and just for the tower)? I guess I'm not going to find much on the $500-600 my wife has approved for my next upgrade!


Five hundred will get you one (1) very good graphics card.

For $2000-2500 you can build a very good gaming machine (not needed for AE BTW), before monitor and other periphs. Past $3000 and you're just showing off.

My 2003 Dell "gaming PC" ws about $5000 with monitor, speakers, keyboard, mouse, Windows, and Office. Things have gotten a lot less expensive, but power still costs. A very good everyday HP desktop which will play AE just fine is about $650 with a monitor though.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 4:38:26 PM   
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That was the about price for the one I described above. $1300 was actually cheaper than if I'd gotten all the parts and put it together myself. You can't beat that kind of deal. If you want top of the line, you are going to pay for it, but if you go mid-range, $600 will do fine.


The Big Three engines are of course the CPU, the GPU, and the RAM. If you step up on the GPU front, and hang a bunch of legacy HDs on, plus want to add a second GPU down the road, better budget a 1000W power supply too, plus an SLI-capable mobo, which can run $60-250 more than an everyday mobo. Those changes move you around inside the band a grand or so either way. If you go AMD, 4 gigs of OK RAM, and step back to the Geforce x400 line, you're talking real savings.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 4:39:42 PM   
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Oy!

If only i could afford to build a machine right now. Alas, i must settle for trying to set up my old MacBookPro for a triple boot.

Still have my old P4 though for the older games that never go out of style. Elite Forces from 2000 is a gem.



I doubt I'll ever lose Civ3 and its editor off my HD. Nothing better for half-playing while watching the NFL.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 4:43:54 PM   
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Canoerebel-Fortran? man thats ancient. In any case I not a programmer.


This history major took not only FORTRAN in college, but also COBOL and BASIC. Decades later Java, SQL, and Visual Basic. And I use none of it!!

The BASIC did get me a sweet summer job as a camp counselor at a summer science prograqm. In 1979. I made $800 for the summer, but the pizza was free.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 4:45:26 PM   
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$500 budget? You sure you want to get married? Its only going to get worse.

I have an old beater I could sell you. Its a dual core with a 1 gig ATI video card. Has 2 hard disks. Still pretty modern. Not a bad system.

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Wow! Thirteen hundred bucks is a good deal (and just for the tower)? I guess I'm not going to find much on the $500-600 my wife has approved for my next upgrade!


Five hundred will get you one (1) very good graphics card.

For $2000-2500 you can build a very good gaming machine (not needed for AE BTW), before monitor and other periphs. Past $3000 and you're just showing off.

My 2003 Dell "gaming PC" ws about $5000 with monitor, speakers, keyboard, mouse, Windows, and Office. Things have gotten a lot less expensive, but power still costs. A very good everyday HP desktop which will play AE just fine is about $650 with a monitor though.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 5:36:03 PM   
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That was the about price for the one I described above. $1300 was actually cheaper than if I'd gotten all the parts and put it together myself. You can't beat that kind of deal. If you want top of the line, you are going to pay for it, but if you go mid-range, $600 will do fine.


The Big Three engines are of course the CPU, the GPU, and the RAM. If you step up on the GPU front, and hang a bunch of legacy HDs on, plus want to add a second GPU down the road, better budget a 1000W power supply too, plus an SLI-capable mobo, which can run $60-250 more than an everyday mobo. Those changes move you around inside the band a grand or so either way. If you go AMD, 4 gigs of OK RAM, and step back to the Geforce x400 line, you're talking real savings.


What I got was what I wanted (I wanted a ton of RAM for running Distant Worlds). And I priced out basically what I got, $1350 pre-built or $1320 if I did it myself. $30 more not to have to do all the work was worth it for me. I wasn't particularly looking forward to building one at home since I already get to do IT almost daily at work (as a secondary job to my main job). I'm tired or working on computers.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 7:56:59 PM   
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What I got was what I wanted (I wanted a ton of RAM for running Distant Worlds). And I priced out basically what I got, $1350 pre-built or $1320 if I did it myself. $30 more not to have to do all the work was worth it for me. I wasn't particularly looking forward to building one at home since I already get to do IT almost daily at work (as a secondary job to my main job). I'm tired or working on computers.


I hope I didn't give the impression I thought your rig was bad. I advocate buying what you want and/or need/can afford, and understanding what you buy. It sounds as if you did just that. My point was more that there is a very wide range as to what you CAN spend, to get more capability.

I also agree that the OEM market has flushed out most of the inefficiencies of a decade ago when home-built was substantially cheaper FOR THE SAME COMPONENTS. You can build a gaming box cheaper than mine will be for sure, but to do it with the same parts for much less just isn't happening. A lot of the "I did it for half!" crowd often start out with mid-grade AMD CPUs, already have a case, re-use a power supply, don't need a new monitor, etc.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 8:01:22 PM   
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What I got was what I wanted (I wanted a ton of RAM for running Distant Worlds). And I priced out basically what I got, $1350 pre-built or $1320 if I did it myself. $30 more not to have to do all the work was worth it for me. I wasn't particularly looking forward to building one at home since I already get to do IT almost daily at work (as a secondary job to my main job). I'm tired or working on computers.


I hope I didn't give the impression I thought your rig was bad. I advocate buying what you want and/or need/can afford, and understanding what you buy. It sounds as if you did just that. My point was more that there is a very wide range as to what you CAN spend, to get more capability.

I also agree that the OEM market has flushed out most of the inefficiencies of a decade ago when home-built was substantially cheaper FOR THE SAME COMPONENTS. You can build a gaming box cheaper than mine will be for sure, but to do it with the same parts for much less just isn't happening. A lot of the "I did it for half!" crowd often start out with mid-grade AMD CPUs, already have a case, re-use a power supply, don't need a new monitor, etc.


No, no offence was taken. I realize I might have sounded that way with how I started that post, so hard to express actual feelings on the internet. I was just pointing out that for what I wanted, the price of doing it myself versus the slightly higher cost in having some one else do it for me made the latter a good deal. Like I said, I get enough computer repair time at work, I don't need to bring it home with me.

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RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs - 6/3/2011 8:12:09 PM   
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Since you are known by Bullwinkle, I think you should refer to your wife as The Squirrel.

Just my opinion.




Well, she's certainly the brains of the outfit.

But at six-foot even in stocking feet I don't think she'd fit in the costume.


OK, so she doesn't fit the squirrel's costume. But she does fit Natasha's and she has at least as much "brains" as either Boris or the Moose.

Alternatively, in today's more egalitarian gender environment, she could just be Fearless Leader. No costume, omnipresent and feared by the underlings.

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