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Carrier operations problem - 3/2/2011 7:39:44 AM   
wolf14455


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Status: offline 		What do I do wrong when I design a ship for Carrier operations. I designed a Cruiser size ship with only point defence and fighterbays. Standard order was standoff in all instances. When I saw my AI command send this new designed ship to raid a pirate base I zoomed in to watch my first carrier op in this game. To my disapointment it was engaging the base with the point defence(Not sure it was pure PD when come to think of it but some lasers for defence only) Sitting on top of the base nearly and was also attacked by some pirate frigates. The ships fighter and bombers only focused on the base and ship didnt do evasive manouver or standoff moves. Does the AI have difficulties with this new equipment ?
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RE: Carrier operations problem - 3/2/2011 8:03:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am not sure what the effect would be, but I would try set the design to "evade". As long as it does not jump out of the system, it should do what you want.

I think standoff is hanging back and fire at the max range of weapons, which would be rather close if only point defenses.

It is fast to try anyways, just select your ship, click the design down left, and twiddle with the top left buttons of the design.

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RE: Carrier operations problem - 3/2/2011 8:32:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you don't like the carrier to evade all over the place and not being able to collect it's fughters in time put one long range weapon on it (the longest available) and stick with standoff. Evading should work best though

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RE: Carrier operations problem - 3/2/2011 8:33:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I thought this was taken care off already...

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2655502

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RE: Carrier operations problem - 3/2/2011 8:59:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		checked the changelogs for the latest patches since then, nothing related to this yet. Given this and the fact that Swedewolf hits it now I think it's still to be resolved.
Let's see the new patch, it should come our way this week.

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RE: Carrier operations problem - 3/2/2011 11:14:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		It could be in the beta patch, havent checked that changelog. Erik maybee got info about date for implementation. Thanx guys, I try the other tips while we wait.

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RE: Carrier operations problem - 3/2/2011 12:49:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Were they intending to allow independant fighter operations?
I thought the fighter concept was along the the lines of SFB: just some additional mobile firepower.

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RE: Carrier operations problem - 3/2/2011 12:57:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		tj, I think that depends on what independent fighter operations means for each of us....I think they are intending to have them separate engagement stances from the carrier, not sure if they will go any further than this. So from this point of view yes, they are additional mobile firepower.

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RE: Carrier operations problem - 3/2/2011 1:25:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Personally I think fighters should be given system wide range :/. Maybe not the earlier versions but the more hightech advanced ones should be able to protect an entire system. Specially ones from bases. Just the other day pirate escort took came into my system but attacked a mining base that was 2 far away from the defense batteries. If the fighters had launched they could have stopped it. Maybe it will be added in later patches

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RE: Carrier operations problem - 3/2/2011 1:37:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		That would maybe make the system defense part too easy. Any system with a space port would be completely safe from annoying pirates, and placing some fighter bays in each major mining system would also be cheap. For instance add a destroyer full of fighter bays to sit idle at the sun.

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RE: Carrier operations problem - 3/2/2011 3:12:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		You make a valid point. But I think pirates should increase by difficulty based on the average military strength of all empires in the game.

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RE: Carrier operations problem - 3/2/2011 6:57:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mofouler

You make a valid point. But I think pirates should increase by difficulty based on the average military strength of all empires in the game.


We concur.

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RE: Carrier operations problem - 3/5/2011 2:24:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		It seams carrier op is not covered in any way on latest beta patch. Corect me please if Im wrong.

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RE: Carrier operations problem - 3/5/2011 6:02:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Swedewolf
It seams carrier op is not covered in any way on latest beta patch. Corect me please if Im wrong.


I have myself enjoyed the presentation of fighters.
If you are looking SW style fighters, they DID have some independant capability, and this does not match. [But then even the Empire's T.I.E. fighters did not have much capability beyond fleet defense]
If you are looking for Star Fleet Battles style fighters, I think Distant Worlds are on track... that is just my opinion.
SFB had a fast attack craft called a PF which has roughly the capabilities that you may seek. You might be able to accomplish that by taking your escorts and then REALLY downsizing them with a minimum of weapons and fuel, and you would have that rough capability. I did that myself.
[Thank God for IGARD and his idea of designating one extra ship set as extra hulls for these classes. That is how I am able to keep all these ships with different capabilities straight.]

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RE: Carrier operations problem - 3/5/2011 7:12:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		amen to that

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