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Wordiers Soviet mistakes ever - 1/28/2011 2:20:21 AM   
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As there is so much whining about axis being weak I decided to open this thread I play soviet.

I just made big time mistake in my PBEM game against my friend I accidently left couple weak spots in the line and next turn my friend isolated over 40 division just in one turn with 3 panzer div stacks that are more than 30 points strong eatch.

Soviet have virtually nothing to get 30 points strong stacks moving and opening encirlement. Even if I deploy 15 division around that panzer stack I can get something like 15-16 poinst strong assault and bombard it with whole soviet airforce whole week it dosent make that strong stack move from any delibarate assault made by 15 divs against 3 german divisions.

This is going to be soviet stalingrad. When he clear that pocket there is nothing in southern front to stop him from taking Stalingrad and oil fields.

i have feeling that this game is not going to end well...



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RE: Wordiers Soviet mistakes ever - 1/28/2011 3:17:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jakerson
As there is so much whining about axis being weak I decided to open this thread I play soviet.

I just made big time mistake in my PBEM game against my friend I accidently left couple weak spots in the line and next turn my friend isolated over 40 division just in one turn with 3 panzer div stacks that are more than 30 points strong eatch.

Soviet have virtually nothing to get 30 points strong stacks moving and opening encirlement. Even if I deploy 15 division around that panzer stack I can get something like 15-16 poinst strong assault and bombard it with whole soviet airforce whole week it dosent make that strong stack move from any delibarate assault made by 15 divs against 3 german divisions.

This is going to be soviet stalingrad. When he clear that pocket there is nothing in southern front to stop him from taking Stalingrad and oil fields.

i have feeling that this game is not going to end well...


Just build fresh divisions to delay and block him and hope for the best.


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RE: Wordiers Soviet mistakes ever - 1/28/2011 3:20:53 AM   
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he pretty much needs to be stunningly successful or you will win when the axis player concedes. It is making a better 42 and 43 for you guys to play :)

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RE: Wordiers Soviet mistakes ever - 1/28/2011 4:21:14 AM   
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During 1941, you will start with and otherwise get approximately 440 Divisions, not to mention various Rifle and Tank Brigades. Call it 500 in total, if you don't build anything.

So, if you lose a hundred or so? No big deal! Keep playiing.

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RE: Wordiers Soviet mistakes ever - 1/28/2011 5:07:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jakerson

As there is so much whining about axis being weak I decided to open this thread I play soviet.

I just made big time mistake in my PBEM game against my friend I accidently left couple weak spots in the line and next turn my friend isolated over 40 division just in one turn with 3 panzer div stacks that are more than 30 points strong eatch.

Soviet have virtually nothing to get 30 points strong stacks moving and opening encirlement. Even if I deploy 15 division around that panzer stack I can get something like 15-16 poinst strong assault and bombard it with whole soviet airforce whole week it dosent make that strong stack move from any delibarate assault made by 15 divs against 3 german divisions.

This is going to be soviet stalingrad. When he clear that pocket there is nothing in southern front to stop him from taking Stalingrad and oil fields.

i have feeling that this game is not going to end well...







I feel your pain. I lost leningrad in a pocket with 750k men. I lost smolensk with a pocket of 600k. I lost so many things in pockets. I lost 4 million men by turn 17. The isolation mechanic is really pretty lame. So i feel your pain. But you will be ok. Just keep putting fresh divisions back to dig in and maybe a few in front of him to slow him down. YOu will be ok. I know how stressful those first 17 turns are. But after that it's going to get better. 42 is sucking for me right now too but i'm actually able to hit back. I beat up 3-4 full stacks of german troops every turn. I lost a lot of battles myself but it's nice having the ability to hit back.

Just hope you let axis player know you want to play this out and hope he enjoys active defense.

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RE: Wordiers Soviet mistakes ever - 1/28/2011 8:10:37 AM   
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You can lose lots of men in 41 and still be in great shape for 42. I did best to pocket what I thought was large numbers for summer and fall 41, but not my opponent bill has 7.2 million men in June 42. Sov player will always be fine in current release. Just you wait till blizzard hits for 13 turns, any advantage you think your opponent might have will disappear around that time.

If you lose around 6 million by end of 41, you still might just be fine in 42. Axis will lost about 1 million in that blizzard. If you hit him around more in blizzard... then maybe 1.2-1.5 million.



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RE: Wordiers Soviet mistakes ever - 1/28/2011 8:20:40 AM   
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I'm currently playing a GC pbem - we are at turn 30. Although I managed to avoid huge pockets, I'd say its anavoidable that a decent German player will isolate whole segments of your front during the summer and early autumn of 1941.

So, take a deep breath, do not panic and keep on digging. If you can't block him everywhere, fall back a few hexes, put a division every other hex. Try to put the better prepared divisions in front (but occasionally you wont have enough of these, so you will need to put unready divs as well).

Spend a few divisions to amuse him in front of your main defense line.
Equip your hqs with Construction battalions to speed up the diggers.
Direct carefully your trains of reinforcement just behind the areas where you need them most. Try to be balanced in the repartition of your forces : its no use to have a super fortified front at one place if the rest of the line is not defended because it will sooner or later create a huge bulge and - trust me, you will be surprised by the speed of the process - a pocket and a full bag of perfectly well dug-in fortified and completely isolated and unuseful divisions). So try to be balanced and have a coherent density of defenders all the way from Leningrad to the Black Sea

And eventually, with the mud its movement capacity will loose its steam.

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RE: Wordiers Soviet mistakes ever - 1/28/2011 8:43:57 AM   
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Very timely thread. Am in my first MP GC and ouch! My southern front is gone, hoping I can piece something together but it doesn't look good.

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RE: Wordiers Soviet mistakes ever - 1/28/2011 8:50:04 AM   
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One thing to point out about the game is that for Soviets... there is room for mistakes.
For the Axis, there is none. This brings about several posts asking for tweaking of Soviet C&C, rail movement, German casualties, Soviet fighting ability etc.

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RE: Wordiers Soviet mistakes ever - 1/28/2011 5:05:17 PM   
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I attacked a German Airbase with 150 bombers without escort and and FW190's shot down 109 Bombers. No doubt the result is deserved, but I just about fell about of my chair when the result came. Stalin should have me shot.

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RE: Wordiers Soviet mistakes ever - 1/28/2011 5:17:57 PM   
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What's a "wordiers soviet mistake?"

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RE: Wordiers Soviet mistakes ever - 1/28/2011 7:07:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jomni

One thing to point out about the game is that for Soviets... there is room for mistakes.
For the Axis, there is none.


Jomni is perfectly right. (on the other hand, I have seen the difference between a huge pocket and a soline frontline just relying on one or two badly positioned understrength rifle divisions...)

Anyway, I heartily agrees with him : there is some room for improvement on the axis side. Two suggestions : the german should have a little bit more freedom and, more specifically,
+ he should be given a limited capacity to build the support battalions he needs.
+ he should be able (spending some APs in the process) to 'unfroze' a few divisions (thinking about AGS panzerdivs) or 'keep' them for an extra turn (vs automatic withdrawal). The APs spent representing high level (Heeresgruppe) lobbying to extend by 1 week the period of use of those assets against Hitler's will. Some examples suggest that if it was not possible to oppose frontally his will, it was quite possible to marginally delay the execution of some orders (or on the contrary to speed up some decisions) by a few days.

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RE: Wordiers Soviet mistakes ever - 1/29/2011 12:45:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jakerson

As there is so much whining about axis being weak I decided to open this thread I play soviet.


I assassinated Vassilevski (a Soviet Top Ace) on TURN 1

Perhaps I should have started a thread... the title:

I WANT THE HEAD OF THE PERSON WHO DECIDED
THERE SHOULD BE A [HQ] RELOCATE THING!



Oh wait, on a second thought... let's create that thread!

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RE: Wordiers Soviet mistakes ever - 1/29/2011 1:41:52 AM   
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I feel your pain. I lost leningrad in a pocket with 750k men. I lost smolensk with a pocket of 600k. I lost so many things in pockets. I lost 4 million men by turn 17. The isolation mechanic is really pretty lame. So i feel your pain. But you will be ok. Just keep putting fresh divisions back to dig in and maybe a few in front of him to slow him down. YOu will be ok. I know how stressful those first 17 turns are. But after that it's going to get better. 42 is sucking for me right now too but i'm actually able to hit back. I beat up 3-4 full stacks of german troops every turn. I lost a lot of battles myself but it's nice having the ability to hit back.

Just hope you let axis player know you want to play this out and hope he enjoys active defense.


I hope you are right I just lost 500k men in one pocket last turn I have lost couple 100k pockets before in this game but never anything this big. I got too cocky from couple turns of slowing down axis advance I didnt pull back as fast as I should have.

Axis have captured Kursk and rolling towards Stalingrad witch they are going to pocket too as I have pretty good fortifications inside city but my sides are too weak to stop them pocketing. Half of my southern front troops dissappeared last turn.

Only good point is that I still Hold Leningrad and Moscow witch is propably becouse most of axis panzer divs are rolling in the south.


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RE: Wordiers Soviet mistakes ever - 1/29/2011 3:18:01 AM   
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It is important to remember that panzer divisions are much faster than your rifle divisions, especially in the first year.

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