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(SPOILER WARNING) When Shakturi starts? - 12/22/2010 9:30:26 AM   
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Hello, I'm playing my first Shakturi game - I have turn on both old and Shakturi victory conditions at the start.

I get some warnings that Shakturi will come ... but still nothing. I have biggest empire now, biggest military in galaxy, my science tree is near the end (last two columns remains), my exploration ships are iddle because whole galaxy was explored and Shakturi is still not here - why?

What will start Shakturis? It is completely random, or I must found some ruins, or there must be colonized some percentage amount of whole Galaxy, or all technologies must be discovered or what?

Or I'm simply too impatient? If yes then please do not spoiler more than: Yes, you are too impatient! :-)

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And one more question: Are Shakturis forces based on players strength (or total amount of all races military strenght)? I mean let say that when I will have one defense station on all my planet, they will come for example whit fleet of two super ships that will easily destroy defence and capture planet. What happens when all my planets will have 10 defense stations? Will game engine create Shakturi fleets with 20 super ships (that will again easilly destroy ?


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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/22/2010 9:33:35 AM   
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sounds like itll be coming soon :)


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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/22/2010 9:38:05 AM   
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It is somewhat random, it also depends on the development level of the galaxy and the tech research speed. Last I heard the most time it should take is 100 years regardless of other factors.

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/22/2010 4:11:10 PM   
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My game started at 2754 and its now 2793 and the Shakturi been around for a while now and are the strongest empire in the game. When they first showed up they were refuges and I didn't feel like attacking poor refuges so I let them alone. And now I'm paying for it.

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/22/2010 4:22:19 PM   
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My game started at 2754 and its now 2793 and the Shakturi been around for a while now and are the strongest empire in the game. When they first showed up they were refuges and I didn't feel like attacking poor refuges so I let them alone. And now I'm paying for it.


Spoilers!

In my last game they turned up next to me and cause they started smacking on my ships I destroyed their pathetic Empire before I even found out their true identity, no alliance against them or anything

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/22/2010 4:24:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: EisenHammer

My game started at 2754 and its now 2793 and the Shakturi been around for a while now and are the strongest empire in the game. When they first showed up they were refuges and I didn't feel like attacking poor refuges so I let them alone. And now I'm paying for it.



Eh ... **** ... I found some poor refuges from another galaxy few years before ..... I fell pity for them because they are saying that some evil alien race killing them in another galaxy. I thought that this evil race is Shakturi and that they will come soon after them .... so you telling me that Shakturi are in my galaxy already?

I must switch my industry to military mode and try to wipe them!

Please do not spoil more information here - I think that for new players it is better to be surprised by this.

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/22/2010 4:30:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nalim27

I found some poor refuges from another galaxy few years before ..... I fell pity for them because they are saying that some evil alien race killing them in another galaxy. I thought that this evil race is Shakturi and that they will come soon after them .... so you telling me that Shakturi are in my galaxy already?


It sure sounds like you have the Shakturi in your galaxy, get them now before they get to big.

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/22/2010 5:12:00 PM   
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IMO it would be more fun to let them grow until they reveal themselves. Then you have a real battle on your hands.

I'm not sure when they usually reveal themselves, I was spoiled by what I assume is a bug in the game. Right off the bat I found a colony ship loaded with Shakturi, so when the "refugees" came and all the Shakturi in my empire suddenly got renamed I knew it was them (picture also gave it away) and just sent a fleet to attack (taking over the Shakturi capital with my Shakturi troops!). It was very anti climactic - I ended the game just as it was starting and never even got to see their world destroyer in action.

In my next game I plan to let them grow until they reveal themselves naturally, then see if I can still survive them :)

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/23/2010 1:46:01 AM   
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Damn they are not reveal, but they spy me and declare war with me. They are strong like hell! Too advanced technology.

I have bad ship design probably - I'm using help beams and half confussion missiles and it is looks like wrong choice.

I think only last hope now is to prepare fleets with transport troops only and attack their most important colonies at the same time.

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/23/2010 2:38:47 AM   
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I just got my alliance aganist the Shakturi.
Now it's pay back time

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/23/2010 2:54:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nalim27

Please do not spoil more information here - I think that for new players it is better to be surprised by this.


The thread has a spoiler warning - I think it's quite reasonable for people to post their findings. If you want to be surprised, then you shouldn't be reading "spoiler" marked threads.

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/23/2010 6:48:07 AM   
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OH well my personal experience with the Shakturi (Erashkul?) when they were discovered they pressed me to declare war with the ancient guardians that i left in the spot. The ancient guardians startet duking it out with hte Erashkul.

After a while i decided i wanted both of those advanced ships and bases and planets they built. So i sent my troop carriers with 1mil troops to each of their main worlds... DING profit.
My god its still far too easy to simply take over a race with just fully loaded troop transports. My cashflow went from -100k to +1.9 mil in a moment after gaining those 2 new maxed out worlds.

I really hope something is done with the balance, i can invade and take over a whole star empire with only troop transports without any sort of retaliation. You just need 10 fleets with 4-5 troop transporst in them each (200-300k troops per fleet) and then simply send them to take over the stronges enemy colonies. No real defence anything.


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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/23/2010 1:31:41 PM   
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I have completed two games, I haven't encountered them either. From the time you become unstoppable, to the time the game is over is simply too short.

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/26/2010 10:59:15 PM   
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I'm not reading all this thread so as to avoid spoilers. I'm still playing the very first game I started a week and a half ago, I think it was last Thursday! Not sure how many hours I've put into it, but it's now the year 2884 and no sign of the Shakturi.

The settings I used were intended to make the game longer. I set every empire size to starting, tech level was starting, tech cost was the max setting, and colony frequency was rare.

Don't get me wrong, I'm really enjoying it, but I'd like to install the beta patch now and get into some modding. I can't do that until this epic game is over.


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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/27/2010 12:46:54 AM   
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Igard, the tech cost and small starting size basically maxed out the Shakturi showtime. Once the galaxy hits a certain mix of tech and colonization levels they will show up, but you cant be sure which refugees they are!

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/27/2010 1:53:25 AM   
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Thanks, the1sean. The year is now 2902. I've never gone this far into a game! 

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/27/2010 2:57:33 AM   
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That's it. I give up! It's 2907 and no sign of any Shakturi. I've got the galaxy under my thumb. Any other game and I would've declared victory long ago. I can't wait for these Shakturi any longer.

I'll go back to it with a more normal galaxy set up later.


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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/27/2010 4:00:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: EisenHammer

I just got my alliance aganist the Shakturi.
Now it's pay back time



I love your choice of emoticons!

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/27/2010 6:41:48 PM   
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That's it. I give up! It's 2907 and no sign of any Shakturi. I've got the galaxy under my thumb. Any other game and I would've declared victory long ago. I can't wait for these Shakturi any longer.

I'll go back to it with a more normal galaxy set up later.



Wow, that's crazy! You should post this in the tech support forum, just in case it is a bug issue

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/27/2010 8:31:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Igard

That's it. I give up! It's 2907 and no sign of any Shakturi. I've got the galaxy under my thumb. Any other game and I would've declared victory long ago. I can't wait for these Shakturi any longer.

I'll go back to it with a more normal galaxy set up later.



Wow, that's crazy! You should post this in the tech support forum, just in case it is a bug issue



I don't think it's really a bug, just my very slow playing style. With the tech cost set to max and rare colony frequency, it just slows things down so much. The way I like it, but obviously not suited to the story.


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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/27/2010 8:48:24 PM   
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I really hope something is done with the balance, i can invade and take over a whole star empire with only troop transports without any sort of retaliation. You just need 10 fleets with 4-5 troop transporst in them each (200-300k troops per fleet) and then simply send them to take over the stronges enemy colonies. No real defence anything.



It would be slightly better if planet defenders would focus fire on troop transports (or just focus fire, period) and maybe disable them with EMPs, however I don't think there's any defence against a swarm of 50 troop ships. Except maybe some kind of slow-mo field and powerful area weapons.

The thing I usually use is one capital-sized troop transport full of crack troops, and a moderately powerful fleet to distract the base defences. It doesn't even matter if they survive the battle as long as the troops land.

Edit: I just tried something crazy. I added 100 Ion Pulses and 100 Deurasian Shockwaves to a space port, and it did terrible, terrible things to a horde fleet. It wasn't really cost prohibitive either, well under 20k maintenance. Would love to see something like that on an AI planet. Of course it didn't only destroy enemy ships around it, but everyone else too.

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/27/2010 10:10:17 PM   
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I don't think it's a bug. I have yet to see the Shakturi because all my games are slow tech and starting empires. My current game is around 2900 and still no Shakturi. At this point even if they show up I doubt they would stand much of a chance.

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/27/2010 10:15:56 PM   
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Sounds like we may need to make a few tweaks to make sure the Shakturi are showing up on schedule for all playstyles and settings. We tested for a pretty wide range of settings, but it sounds like it's not working ideally for some setting combinations. If you've played well into the late game and have not encountered the Erutkah Refugees or the Shakturi, please upload a saved game for us and post a note about it in the tech support section.

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/27/2010 11:09:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Sounds like we may need to make a few tweaks to make sure the Shakturi are showing up on schedule for all playstyles and settings. We tested for a pretty wide range of settings, but it sounds like it's not working ideally for some setting combinations. If you've played well into the late game and have not encountered the Erutkah Refugees or the Shakturi, please upload a saved game for us and post a note about it in the tech support section.

Regards,

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I'll do that Erik. It's a shame because I already read the spoilers. I couldn't help it, had to know if something was wrong.

I have to say though, even though I didn't get throught the story, it was still the best game of DW I've ever played. Terrific expansion.

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/28/2010 1:08:59 AM   
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AS has been mentioned, I think that the latest you should see them is 100 years into the game.

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/28/2010 1:14:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: the1sean

AS has been mentioned, I think that the latest you should see them is 100 years into the game.


Agreed. That's when I started to ask myself, 'Am I supposed to do something here?'

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/28/2010 3:13:31 AM   
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I played a lot of 4x games and I really like this one. While I'm waiting for Civ5 and Elemental to get their acts together, I've come back to this one because of the expansion pack. It's deep, it's fun, and I've experienced no bugs or glitches that I'm aware of. I binged on it all through the Xmas holidays, and I'm lovin it.

I'll suggest you buy while you can get the sale price. I don't think you'll be dissapointed.

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/28/2010 12:13:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: madjoseph

I played a lot of 4x games and I really like this one. While I'm waiting for Civ5 and Elemental to get their acts together, I've come back to this one because of the expansion pack. It's deep, it's fun, and I've experienced no bugs or glitches that I'm aware of. I binged on it all through the Xmas holidays, and I'm lovin it.

I'll suggest you buy while you can get the sale price. I don't think you'll be dissapointed.


Don't get your hopes up fr Civ V getting fixed, especially since the departure of Jon Shafer from Firaxis.

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/29/2010 4:52:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: madjoseph

I played a lot of 4x games and I really like this one. While I'm waiting for Civ5 and Elemental to get their acts together, I've come back to this one because of the expansion pack.


Don't even get me started about that game. I am still angry I preordered it and got charged for a totally unfinished product

I need to think more about DW:ROTS, ahh, anger is clearing...

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RE: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) When Shakturi starts? - 12/29/2010 5:38:29 PM   
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At least they're actively working on Elemental, even brought in a new project lead. IIRC they will give you two of the expansion packs for free if you bought the game around release, so there's still hope we will get our moneys worth. ;) That is some very nice damage control!

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