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"WiF Master" - 4/14/2010 1:51:47 PM   
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Here's a post by Harry Rowland about a new divisional level World in Flames: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/514871/new-world-in-flames-products-now-available-for-pre

ADG's site has it as a P1000 under its products section:http://www.a-d-g.com.au/




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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/14/2010 3:12:20 PM   
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It's interesting to note that they have pre-released both a higher level army sized unit game and a smaller divisional sized unit game. Perhaps the next MWIF project will be the ability to switch from game to game by using the mouse wheel - zoom out and the corps combine into armys zoom in and they break up into divisions. I'm sure Shannon v Okeets will get right on that.

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/14/2010 3:52:06 PM   
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Yes interesting product, I first heared about it back in 2007-2008. I guess it's the 1000 preorder needed who delays it.

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/14/2010 5:12:46 PM   
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I like the idea of pre-ordering, at least exchanging info without paying. I don't see why they don't do it for MWiF. There's a perception that incentive to release = a rushed product with bugs. I'm not buying that, but I know Steve. I don't see how incentive can hurt. Like a big fruit that never spoils, but keeps getting riper and juicier. Plus it would prevent a bottleneck when the game is released.

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/14/2010 6:01:53 PM   
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Ok, I want this game as Mwif.



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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/14/2010 7:20:18 PM   
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Here Wif Blitz: the Army level Wif also found at ADG's sight as a P1000




Africa looks funny

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/14/2010 9:35:26 PM   
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I just went on the ADG website and they have a sample of the Khaki-In-Flames CW units. I think these will be much more user friendly - I must admit though, I thought Khaki was more of a greeny colour??

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/14/2010 9:44:22 PM   
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As a kid my dad's khaki's (usaf) were a light tancolor.
Dictionary.com has it as:
a light yellowish brown

In the early part of my military service they were still a light brown. I guess it depends on how each country and military branch defines it.


(edit for spelling and grammer)

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/14/2010 10:01:30 PM   
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As a kid my dad's khaki's (usaf) were a light tancolor.
Dictionary.com has it as:
a light yellowish brown

In the early part of my military service they were still a light brown. I guess it depends on how each country and military branch defines it.


(edit for spelling and grammer)

Warspite1

Well these are certainly a light tan so I must be thinking about something else - thanks.


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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/14/2010 10:38:07 PM   
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stacking all of the counters in WiF: Master Edition makes it look perfect to be a ..... computer game

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/15/2010 2:51:38 AM   
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I will be putting myself down for khaki in flames ASAP
Best idea yet!

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/15/2010 7:19:36 AM   
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Africa looks funny


I think they are not using a Mercator projection. This look like the projection use in History of the world. It is a north pole center projection. It should give more realistic distance for the northern hemisphere, especially near the north pole. But distance in the southern hemisphere will be about double. This projection give Africa this unusual (for mercator used people) look.

I might buy this game. But the Wif Master is really a computer game. If won't play it on the table (no time/no place).

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/15/2010 1:57:17 PM   
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Having seen versions of the khaki CW counters in use at last year's Con, I can say they looked quite impressive. And were much more readable than the dark blue.

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/16/2010 1:05:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: abj9562

As a kid my dad's khaki's (usaf) were a light tancolor.
Dictionary.com has it as:
a light yellowish brown

In the early part of my military service they were still a light brown. I guess it depends on how each country and military branch defines it.




Khaki
Etymology: Hindi & Urdu khâkî dust-colored, from khâk dust, from Persian
Date: 1857
1 a: a khaki-colored cloth made usually of cotton or wool and used especially for military uniforms b: a garment of this cloth; especially: a military uniform —usually used in plural
2: a light yellowish brown


United States Marine Corps (Vietnam era)

Tropical uniforms (Tropical uniforms, Trops, or Pinks)

These were khaki (that faded with age to a pinkish-khaki) colored light weight and had to be dry cleaned while the regular khaki uniforms were washed and starched.

Tropical uniforms will be phased out of service on December 31, 2010.

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/16/2010 1:59:06 AM   
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stacking all of the counters in WiF: Master Edition makes it look perfect to be a ..... computer game


The picture is misleading. The map and counters have not been printed (according to Harry) and while the hexes will be larger, I don't know that the counter:hex size ratio is accurate in the picture.


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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/16/2010 8:27:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Extraneous


quote:

ORIGINAL: abj9562

As a kid my dad's khaki's (usaf) were a light tancolor.
Dictionary.com has it as:
a light yellowish brown

In the early part of my military service they were still a light brown. I guess it depends on how each country and military branch defines it.




Khaki
Etymology: Hindi & Urdu khâkî dust-colored, from khâk dust, from Persian
Date: 1857
1 a: a khaki-colored cloth made usually of cotton or wool and used especially for military uniforms b: a garment of this cloth; especially: a military uniform —usually used in plural
2: a light yellowish brown


United States Marine Corps (Vietnam era)

Tropical uniforms (Tropical uniforms, Trops, or Pinks)

These were khaki (that faded with age to a pinkish-khaki) colored light weight and had to be dry cleaned while the regular khaki uniforms were washed and starched.

Tropical uniforms will be phased out of service on December 31, 2010.

The khaki that is shown at ADG's webpage is this one :




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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/16/2010 8:28:35 AM   
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stacking all of the counters in WiF: Master Edition makes it look perfect to be a ..... computer game


The picture is misleading. The map and counters have not been printed (according to Harry) and while the hexes will be larger, I don't know that the counter:hex size ratio is accurate in the picture.


How do you know that ?

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/16/2010 12:56:01 PM   
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Froonp Post #16

That’s a little darker shade of brown for a  Khaki (color) than is usual.


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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/16/2010 1:55:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Froonp

quote:

ORIGINAL: SewerStarFish

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

stacking all of the counters in WiF: Master Edition makes it look perfect to be a ..... computer game


The picture is misleading. The map and counters have not been printed (according to Harry) and while the hexes will be larger, I don't know that the counter:hex size ratio is accurate in the picture.


How do you know that ?


The following is cut and pasted from a post by Harry from Boardgamegeeks: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/514871/new-world-in-flames-products-now-available-for-pre

Gidday Ben,

We are doing both, increasing the size of each hex and increasing the totla number of hexes. The picys provided for the game info come from the annual using the test counters and standard WiF maps. WiF Master's 6 maps give 50% more space to deal with than WiF Classic. The 6 A0 size maps are rotated from their (portrait) rotation in WiF and arranged 2 high x 3 long (total dimensions 1640 x 3504mm).

Each hex is just over 6% bigger in each direction (each hex increased in size by 12.5% in total) leaving us with enough extra map to have 30% more hexes as well. Due to the y axis having more space than the x axis conmpared to wif classic, there are more scandinavian and north african hexes than now but at the cost of slightly less of eastern russia being on the european scale and more of it on the pacific map scale (the master wif dividing line between pacific and europe scale appearing in the middle of the middle maps) but more hexes overall of both.

We've only done a rough mock up so far for testing purposes but it works well with the extra units and after WiF looks HUGE (if that's possible). When we get more than 500 advance orders we will commission Michael our mapmeister from wif, computer wif and eia to do the final full-colour version with all the bells and whistle and will post up some samples for your perusal and criticisms. So if you want some changes to the look of some of your more hated terrain types speak up now or forever hod your peace.

regards
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edit: quote the right post & use the nifty colors to credit other forum and emphasize important part

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/16/2010 2:25:28 PM   
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So only five hundred orders needed to start work and a thousand to actually produce it?

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/16/2010 4:13:41 PM   
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So only five hundred orders needed to start work and a thousand to actually produce it?


Yes, after they get 500 they'll finalize the proof. When they get 1000 they'll print, charge and send. It seems to be the paradigm for quality boardgame production. ADG, GMT, Valley Games and others are only committing to the cost of publishing after 500 or 1000 pre-orders are placed.

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/16/2010 6:36:18 PM   
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The khaki that is shown at ADG's webpage is this one :

[Edit: image removed check Patrice's post #16]


And don't they look great?

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/16/2010 8:06:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous


quote:

ORIGINAL: abj9562

As a kid my dad's khaki's (usaf) were a light tancolor.
Dictionary.com has it as:
a light yellowish brown

In the early part of my military service they were still a light brown. I guess it depends on how each country and military branch defines it.




Khaki
Etymology: Hindi & Urdu khâkî dust-colored, from khâk dust, from Persian
Date: 1857
1 a: a khaki-colored cloth made usually of cotton or wool and used especially for military uniforms b: a garment of this cloth; especially: a military uniform —usually used in plural
2: a light yellowish brown


United States Marine Corps (Vietnam era)

Tropical uniforms (Tropical uniforms, Trops, or Pinks)

These were khaki (that faded with age to a pinkish-khaki) colored light weight and had to be dry cleaned while the regular khaki uniforms were washed and starched.

Tropical uniforms will be phased out of service on December 31, 2010.

The khaki that is shown at ADG's webpage is this one :




How does this color compare to the USSR units?

Depending on the printing run, the WIF Classic USSR background color had some slight variations, but was fundamentally a light brown.

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/16/2010 9:44:50 PM   
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Oh Hell yes!!! WiF Master is here!!! Halleleujah!!!


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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/17/2010 1:29:29 PM   
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How does this color compare to the USSR units?

Depending on the printing run, the WIF Classic USSR background color had some slight variations, but was fundamentally a light brown.


I think this khaki is quite light enough to differentiate from the Soviet brown much the way the CW & French blues were no trouble. At least I hope so.

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/18/2010 12:04:25 AM   
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I'd describe the soviet counters as dark orange or rust, so should not present a problem.

I hate to ask this... what are the chances of seeing khaki CW units in MWiF? (Without chemical or herbal assistance)

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/18/2010 7:21:30 PM   
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I'd describe the soviet counters as dark orange or rust, so should not present a problem.

I hate to ask this... what are the chances of seeing khaki CW units in MWiF? (Without chemical or herbal assistance)

The bitmap graphics for air and naval units are anti-aliased against the background color for the owning country. This is why captured naval units are depicted with a horizontal stripe (that does not overlie the bitmapped graphics). Changing a country's color can be done by modifying the data in a CSV file, but none of the naval or air units would change. To change the air and naval units would require re-shooting the graphics for those units (converting the ADG graphic images used for printing the counters into a format readable by MWIF).

EDIT: I am also concerned about differentiating the colors of major powers for players who have trouble telling colors apart (e.g., the printed USA and USSR counters can be problematic for some players).

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/18/2010 7:40:07 PM   
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I have always hated the dark blue CW colour. I can remember many times where we need to near study the counters to see the names of the ships ... 

I like the khaki colour.

just placed my order for the khaki in flames .... now there are at least one pre order

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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/19/2010 10:06:58 AM   
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To be true, i think the colours are irrelevant. I wonder how Franco would feel with his pink coloured corps...  (for example)


It's a game and the colours should not be all greenish/brownish as they were mostly in the real world, for reasons of aesthetic and also easier visualization.


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RE: "WiF Master" - 4/20/2010 7:01:14 AM   
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Is making the color customizable in the program this hard?

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