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Was on the verge... - 12/27/2009 10:45:14 PM   
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...of buying Rise of Flight. Tallied up all the extra planes and bundles and software and it was coming to a cool £61 ($97).

Trouble is I went to the forumsto check it our beforehand and I have read quite a few posts suggesting it's still got issues...

I'm very scared about spending this amount of money on a sim that doesn't work...I know some people have it here, does the game still have problems? What kind of issues have any of you experienced?

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/27/2009 11:21:08 PM   
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Why would you need to purchase all aircrafts?

Play the demo and see if you can cope with controls. I'd also suggest to read the review on avsim.com, because this one comes from a simmer perspective.

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/27/2009 11:24:36 PM   
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I have played the demo...twice.

The demo seemd to work fine for me...but I gather there are still lots of wee problems from my insight into the game.

And why buy all the aircraft? Why not? Seriously, yes...I could just buy the game at £24 and see then...but I still don't want to pay £24 if it's buggy. I already have HoI III taking that honour!

No, it's ok. I don't really know why I posted here except I knew a couple of people here have it...I just wanted their trusted views on it. I think I've read enough issues on the forums over there to have made my mind up

I will read that review though - thx

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/27/2009 11:46:40 PM   
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Great, I am interested in buying this game having just watched Red Baron.... now I can sit back and await your judgement. Go on buy it, play it and reveal all......

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/28/2009 1:22:03 AM   
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When you don't need an internet connection to play off line, (and for now, you do, though I heard that might be fixed.), it will make my list.

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/28/2009 6:43:32 AM   
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Hi Judge,

I bought this just the other day along with all the extra aircraft and I am having a great time with it. I've not encountered any critical bugs to date and it seems to work fine for me. I've only platyed single player missions and I am having a great time fighting the AI. I'm not much of a multiplayer gamer so single player missions will be my main mode of play.

Each aircraft behaves very differently making them unique to fly which makes for good longevity in my book. Dog fighting is tense, the missions are varied and the realism seems pretty high. I was a big player of Red Baron and the campaigns and missions remind a little of that game.

I use a Saitek X52 and the game recognises all keys buttons and axes without any trouble.

I'm not really too pleased with the requirement to log on to play, but the developers have anounced that single player campaigns and missions will be made available offline in a future patch. I've no reason to doubt this as they seem to be patching the game quite regularly taking into account user comments.

All in all, if you are in to flight sims, I recommend you pick it up. Other gamers have experienced bugs but I've not encountered any.

There is also a bundle deal on at the moment for the extra planes so it's a good time to buy.

A great and enjoyable flight sim experience!

Cheers

Mark

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/28/2009 8:19:31 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

When you don't need an internet connection to play off line, (and for now, you do, though I heard that might be fixed.), it will make my list.

That is the one major important thing holding me back

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/28/2009 1:55:14 PM   
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There is another choice! Go check out Over Flanders Fields: Beyond Heaven and Hell.

http://www.overflandersfields.com/info.htm

This is a great WWI flight sim. You'll also need a copy of CFS3, but don't let that dissuade you*. OFF BHaH is an add-on to CFS3 that completely changes CFS3. I know CFS3 never had a great reputation, but what the developers did with OFF BHaH is nothing short of amazing. Dozens of flyable aircraft, thousands of skins, check out all the features.

OFF BHaH is actually the 3rd iteration (or phase). Phases 1 and 2 were freebies, but believe me, OFF BHaH is worth the price ($29). Also, they just released the first add-on, Hat in the Ring ($19)

Heres a link to the forums. Check it out...

Heres a list of some of the flyable aircraft:

Albatros DII, DIII, DVa
DFW C.V
Fokker EIII, Dr1, DVII, EV**
Halberstadt DII
Hannover CIII
Pfalz DIIIa
Roland CII

Airco DH2, DH5**
Bristol F2B, Scout
RAF F.E.2.B, BE2C, RE8, SE5a
Nieuport 11, 16, 17, 24**, 28**
Sopwith Strutter, Camel, Pup, Triplane
Spad VII, XIII


** -- part of the Hat in the Ring add-on



* from the OFF website:
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Note: Some of you may be instantly put off trying OFF BH&H because it is based on the CFS3 engine. There is a lot of prejudice found against even trying OFF BH&H because of CFS3 reputation, some of it deservedly earned by CFS3! HOWEVER we can assure you (as many users will attest in our forums!) once you play OFF BH&H you will realise it is a TOTAL REVAMP and a TOTAL TRANSFORMATION of CFS3, into a stunning, absorbing, addictive, immersive and enjoyably WW1 flight simulation. Most of the annoying parts of CFS3 are gone, many new features are added, great AI, High Res Scenery, Flight models, Damage models etc.



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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/28/2009 3:30:09 PM   
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9 bucks to ship a DVD!!!

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/28/2009 3:36:30 PM   
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I agree that the shipping is high, but the devs are a small company (actually the main developers are spread out across the globe) who had to out-source that part of it. The Hat in the Ring add-on is a download...

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/28/2009 4:31:58 PM   
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Before I address Rise of Flight, I also have the "Over Flanders Fields" mod for M$ Combat Flight Sim 3, and it's great!

But....

IMO, not quite as great as RoF will be.

So, Judge Dredd.....

Yes, many people are still experiencing various issues. A new patch(v1.010) just came out on 12/23 which seems to have fixed a great deal of what was broken. Some folks are having stuttering issues with Track IR, but my Track IR 4 works just fine with it. Other problems seem to be related to video issues, but there again I haven't had these, either.

What I can say is that if you are a WWI flight sim nut, you can't live another day without RoF (or OFF for that matter). It's not perfect, and there are still some things missing(functioning wind socks being one of the features most whines about), but it's the most impressive, immersive flight sim I've ever flown. The flight models, damage model and physics just feel so right and real.

Did I fail to mention that you can see rips in the fabric of the canvas in your target as your bullets strike home? Or, the pieces of wing/struts/bracing that fall apart and flutter away after you've nailed them? Or the engines and fuel tanks that leak fluid and catch fire and roast your opponent all the way down to his fiery grave?

Of course, YMMV.




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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/28/2009 5:02:14 PM   
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quote:

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ORIGINAL: Aurelian

When you don't need an internet connection to play off line, (and for now, you do, though I heard that might be fixed.), it will make my list.

That is the one major important thing holding me back


The place to go for info: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/forums/113/1/Rise_of_Flight_The_First_Great.html

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/28/2009 6:39:17 PM   
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quote:

Original: uncc

I agree that the shipping is high, but the devs are a small company (actually the main developers are spread out across the globe) who had to out-source that part of it. The Hat in the Ring add-on is a download...


Yes.. but Microsoft Combat Flight Simultor 9.99 (free shipping at Amazon) plus that add on 29.99 + 9.00 = 48.98....
I can get that Rise of Flight on Direct 2 Drive for 39 bucks.. or on Amazon with free shipping..

Only thing is the scary DRM... you guys think they'll fix it in a patch? I don't mind Steam, where you can go into offline mode... but to have to always be connect to their server even to play single player is ridiculous!

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/28/2009 7:51:57 PM   
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Off topic.. that Message board for Rise of Flight has link to a Model Website that looks like an awesome product!!! WW I in 1/32 scale!... a little pricey for a plane, but the kits look awesome!
WingNuts Models

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/28/2009 8:17:53 PM   
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I am very interested in this but I refuse to pay $97 even with the 'discounted' bundles. I do not care if they are a small developer or not. $7.62 is simply too much money to pay for a single aircraft. It also does not help that the screen shots I have seen look like the graphics are IL-2 quality.

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/28/2009 8:25:46 PM   
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Where is a good place to download the demo? I do not want to have to register at fileplanet and the developer does not seem to offer the demo on their website. I also need a reasonably fast website since the demo is 2.6 GB

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/29/2009 2:24:09 AM   
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check with the bundles, that may cut the cost down some (my hassle was I bought some of the planes before the bundles came out)

I had some trouble with it, but that was on my end, once I got it going again, it was fine

overall, I think it is a good sim, but think it got a chance to be one of the better ones down the road



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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/29/2009 10:57:39 AM   
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Thx all. The price I stated was looking at the bundles.

I think I'm going to give it a go...got some Christmas money to spend, and I haven't had a WWI flight sim since the Red Baron (I think)

As for OFF - I had looked into it before, but the cost of shipping put me right off. If I can't get cheap shipping or digital download, it's a no sale. I hate wasting money on shipping...it's money that can go to a good game!

So why don't they have the game as DD but they do for the addon? If they got their act together and sold the game via digital download, I'd pay today.

RoF is the easiest option, so I'll take a punt on it. I WILL have to get the aircraft though as they are in bundles

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/29/2009 3:40:11 PM   
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Good man, Judge. You'll probably want to spend some quality time adjusting the response curves for your joystick and rudder pedals. I found that the default curve is too sensitive for my ham-fisted flying style.

Oh, word to the wise: After you adjust your video/audio settings in the config utility, don't use that same utility for setting up your controls. There's currently a bug where if you make a profile in that utility, and then make changes to it from inside the game itself, you can corrupt the profile.

It's best to create a profile and set up your response curves and program your HOTAS buttons from inside the game. You can do this while inside the hanger, or even more handy....after you start a mission you can pause the game using "p" and then bring up the menu to fiddle with your controls with a right mouse click. That way, you can make adjustments to your profile and test them out quickly and efficiently. I recommend selecting a "free-flight" mission where all you do is fly around and enjoy the scenery and practice your take offs and landings. 

Make sure to program a "blip" switch to one of your buttons, you'll need it for all the rotary engine planes. You may also use manual fuel mixture and radiator adjustment, too. But that's optional.

I highly recommend reading this RoF newbie guide: http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=2517

There's a lot of good info in there, especially the info about which planes have the ability to use manual mixture and/or radiator settings.

Good luck and I hope you have fun!


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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/29/2009 8:09:13 PM   
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Thx all. The price I stated was looking at the bundles.

I think I'm going to give it a go...got some Christmas money to spend, and I haven't had a WWI flight sim since the Red Baron (I think)

As for OFF - I had looked into it before, but the cost of shipping put me right off. If I can't get cheap shipping or digital download, it's a no sale. I hate wasting money on shipping...it's money that can go to a good game!

So why don't they have the game as DD but they do for the addon? If they got their act together and sold the game via digital download, I'd pay today.

RoF is the easiest option, so I'll take a punt on it. I WILL have to get the aircraft though as they are in bundles



Good choice and game. Impressed at the no messin', go buy all the planes approach! Even the Pfalz D XII...

Re OFF, agreed the shipping is a pain...but at $30 for the game itself, it does not add up too badly. Good offline game. The no download option may be to do with the file size - it is about 3.5 GB. But I'm guessing.

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/30/2009 9:29:04 AM   
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Good man, Judge. You'll probably want to spend some quality time adjusting the response curves for your joystick and rudder pedals. I found that the default curve is too sensitive for my ham-fisted flying style.

Oh, word to the wise: After you adjust your video/audio settings in the config utility, don't use that same utility for setting up your controls. There's currently a bug where if you make a profile in that utility, and then make changes to it from inside the game itself, you can corrupt the profile.

It's best to create a profile and set up your response curves and program your HOTAS buttons from inside the game. You can do this while inside the hanger, or even more handy....after you start a mission you can pause the game using "p" and then bring up the menu to fiddle with your controls with a right mouse click. That way, you can make adjustments to your profile and test them out quickly and efficiently. I recommend selecting a "free-flight" mission where all you do is fly around and enjoy the scenery and practice your take offs and landings. 

Make sure to program a "blip" switch to one of your buttons, you'll need it for all the rotary engine planes. You may also use manual fuel mixture and radiator adjustment, too. But that's optional.

I highly recommend reading this RoF newbie guide: http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=2517

There's a lot of good info in there, especially the info about which planes have the ability to use manual mixture and/or radiator settings.

Good luck and I hope you have fun!


That was a great guide Slick...not only enjoyable to read, but got me fired up for the game and I read it front to back! (unusual for me!) Good advertisement!

Can't wait to get home now and make the purchase...we are in Wales at my mates until Saturday and work on Monday, but if I swing it right, Sunday is mine and all WWI!!

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/31/2009 5:10:27 AM   
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Hi Judge,

I don't think you will regret the purchase. I'm having a ball trying out all the planes, each one behaves really differently. It's even inspired me to buy a new pair of Saitek rudder pedals and a TrackIR (which hopefully the wife won't notice). I'm looking forward to trying these things out. I'm starting to go OK in landing, take off and dogfighting flying the two Albatross variants, but ground attack is really difficult, especially when you are trying to hit a moving convoy.

Another medium fidelity sim I've just discovered is the Strike Fighters 2 series (Thirdwire Poductions). It was on special over the Christmas period for $50 for all four theatres so I picked it up and is developed by the guy who was involved in writing European Air War. It focuses mainly on early and modern jets through Vietnam, the Cold War and the Arab/Israeli conflict.

Cheers

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/31/2009 7:20:22 AM   
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Hi Judge,

I don't think you will regret the purchase. I'm having a ball trying out all the planes, each one behaves really differently. It's even inspired me to buy a new pair of Saitek rudder pedals and a TrackIR (which hopefully the wife won't notice). I'm looking forward to trying these things out. I'm starting to go OK in landing, take off and dogfighting flying the two Albatross variants, but ground attack is really difficult, especially when you are trying to hit a moving convoy.

Another medium fidelity sim I've just discovered is the Strike Fighters 2 series (Thirdwire Poductions). It was on special over the Christmas period for $50 for all four theatres so I picked it up and is developed by the guy who was involved in writing European Air War. It focuses mainly on early and modern jets through Vietnam, the Cold War and the Arab/Israeli conflict.

Cheers

Mark

I found Strike Fighters to be very, very lacking in the flight model. Recently I was able to try one a friend had...Wings over Europe or something...don't know...had a Harrier in it anyway and I could do just about anything in this Harrier and it was nigh on impossible to bleed airspeed doing said manouvers. No...Strike Fighters was definitely no for me.

After reading the above guide though, I'm really looking forward to picking up Rise of Flight.

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/31/2009 11:48:55 AM   
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I am very interested in this but I refuse to pay $97 even with the 'discounted' bundles. I do not care if they are a small developer or not. $7.62 is simply too much money to pay for a single aircraft. It also does not help that the screen shots I have seen look like the graphics are IL-2 quality.


what Flight sim has better Graphics then Il-2 ?

for most games to say that the Graphics are close to Il-2 would be a pat on the back ??

for me, the Graphics are good enough that I can dive into the middle of a furball, and tell at a glance that, that is a Spad 13 and that is a Froker, and that Camel justed turned onto my wingmans tail

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/31/2009 5:54:44 PM   
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maybe someday when Neoqb removes the DRM from RoF, I'll get it, but for now, I'll stick with Over Flanders Fields Beyond Heaven and Hell....

p.s. SimHQ just did a review of the OFF BHAH Hat in the Ring add-on.


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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/31/2009 6:41:52 PM   
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Hello, I'm also considering making this purchase. Can someone go into details on a couple of items?

1) How is the single player campaign? Is it long? Is it somewhat dynamic?
2) I know most people like realistic flight model, but are there any modes for newbies that make it easier?
3) What kind of missions can you fly?
4) Is it FUN to play?
5) Anybody know the size of the purchased version of the game? I know the demo is around 2.5 GB, but what is the purchased one?
6) Long Load Times - I see this mentioned on their forums. can someone comment? has this been addressed in any patches or planned to be in future patches?

Thanks!

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/31/2009 7:18:41 PM   
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The demo is the full game - just time restricted. So the download is over 2.5GB(2.73 according to Direct2Drive)

What I would like to know is this...if I buy it, do I actually need to download it from Direct2drive? Or can I just put the code into the demo version? Also, if I don't have to download again, do I get the extra aircraft that are in the newly released version? I downloaded the demo quite some time ago and the game only came with 2 flyables at the time?

If no-one knows for sure, I'll do the safe option and download again...probably be patched somewhat as well hopefully.

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/31/2009 7:25:34 PM   
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According to this thread about the game at Wargamer.com, seems like you can convert your demo into the full game. This is what that person did. Also, although I don't own the game, I thought I read the game auto-patches so it would stand to reason you would get the updated content as it is made available without downloading a brand new game.

http://www.wargamer.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=396584

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/31/2009 8:18:17 PM   
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Let me know how it is, Judge.. I would assume you could just enter a Serial Number from Direct 2 Drive.. that's what I did for Tales of Valor..

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RE: Was on the verge... - 12/31/2009 10:53:15 PM   
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I'm pretty sure you can convert the demo to the full game. When you purchase you get a serial number and once you it, you just enter it into your online account which then automatically unlocks the game to the full version. When you purchase extra place, there is no download required. The planes are unlocked automatically the next time you play.

@Slybelle

In response to your questions:

1. I haven't gone too far into a single player campaign, but I am pretty sure they are dynamic and the length is determined by your performance.

2. There are options to "tone down" the realism, but it's really not that hard to get the hang of on full realism. The difficult parts are training yourself to use small delicate movement rather than thrashing the joystick around (which I tend to do just when I am lining uo for a shot)

3. Missions are fairly varied, ranging from bomber escort, bomber attacl, CAP, flying patrol routes, baloon busting, ground attacks against a range of untis including moving convoys of trucks, attacking tanks, bombing runs, combait air support attacking machine gun nests and attacking and protecting recon aircraft and so on.

4. Very much so

5. About 2.5 Gb I think

6. Load times from mission planning to actually being in the cickpit are about 20 seconds for me. My PC is about 12 months old and nothing fancy. I have seen some people saying that the load times are long but I have not experienced lengthy delay at all.

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