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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/7/2011 4:01:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Scary thoughts Pax.

Yes, a bit scary to me as well. I think they missed my concern when I brought it up. Focused on the trees, not the forest in this case.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/7/2011 4:03:37 AM   
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Do we know why the Devs are so wedded to the auto-bombardments? It seems that was a big factor here. Is it one of the little oddities hard coded deep in the bowels of the game they just can't rip out or is it in for some other reason?

I have not seen this discussed before, so I have no idea.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/7/2011 1:51:10 PM   
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Some info related to the Christams island battle:

1.) The adjusted AV of Andy where all the time quite low. I experienced, with prepared troops and good HQ support in 44 you can get up to 1,6 the non adjusted AV in an deliberate attack and almost tripple the unadjusted AV with an shock attack. The main problem i think for Andy where the /x units. If a unit is not completed (or a fragmet fights) the combat values is quite lower than if the main body fights.

2.) It is mainly a supply problem for sieges of heavy fortifies bases. With some good carrier bombardment, some air bombardment you can reduce the supply even with lvl 9 forts in a x3 terrain island (Truk) very quickly. And as soon as the defender runs out of supply you have won.

In general congratulations to the river crossing of Andy.

Squads: 601 destroyed, 2245 disabled -> Depending on the force composition you killed a few months of replacements and with 2k disabled squads take quite a long time to repair. I would expect that mainly all the small bdes got mauled and the divisions still work but it was quite a blow.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/7/2011 2:41:01 PM   
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Ground combat at Moulmein (55,55)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 183419 troops, 3206 guns, 3089 vehicles, Assault Value = 7532
Defending force 113393 troops, 1323 guns, 1102 vehicles, Assault Value = 3553

Allied adjusted assault: 2251
Japanese adjusted defense: 8051

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
7048 casualties reported
Squads: 15 destroyed, 669 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 168 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 137 disabled
Guns lost 234 (15 destroyed, 219 disabled)
Vehicles lost 53 (5 destroyed, 48 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
32779 casualties reported
Squads: 601 destroyed, 2245 disabled
Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 995 disabled
Engineers: 195 destroyed, 356 disabled
Guns lost 649 (267 destroyed, 382 disabled)
Vehicles lost 363 (28 destroyed, 335 disabled)


Wow, Andy really had the courage to do this??? I would have expected him to feel for the flanks and send some large AV stack in from the East while holding to the North of the River with just a skeleton force. Oh well, casualties were horrible, what else would you expect.

Looking at the above numbers, Andy must have his force reduced to some ~5,000-5,500 AV presently. Disruption and fatigue probably being sky high in the units that suffered most. A large number of destroyed squads, whatever units they are from. The big question is how fast the disabled squads, vehicles and guns can be repaired? There is no "supply(-)" there, and Rangoon is close by, so I guess some 10-15% will return every day? Anybody having any better guesses? With that rate, Andy will be ready again within 10 days to do whatever his plans could be. I don't see why he attacked directly, but likely he will repeat this -- otherwise, why would he accept such losses? Perhaps because of you house rules? What do they mean in a stalemate situation once Monsoon starts?

Your forces are probably down to some 2,800 AV but only with mediocre disruption, I would guess. Within 10 days, assuming Andy doesn't throw everything with two wings and a bomb pylon at you now (opportunity for another CAP trap...?), you might be back up to 3,100 AV or so. Not great, but with 3 forts, you might hold out for another 2 weeks until monsoon hits (assuming that the ease of Christmas is just a less probable result of random dice). You are probably right to reinforce this spot given Andy's aggressive stance.

If you could rush another 3,000 AV there within 3-4 days, you might have a chance for a direct counterattack, although that depends on his supply and disruption distribution in his force. Then you'd face some 5,000-6,000 disrupted allies with 6,000 IJA AV -- unless he also moves forces in from the flanking column. On the other hand, my eyes again move to Chiang Mai and Pegu. How about a flanking effort of your own, even if it might be risky and costly? Do you have good recon on Pegu and the surrounding hexes? How much AV does Andy have there? Little enough so that detaching say 1,000 AV from their way thru Chiang Mai would stand a chance to overrun them? Maybe you only need to move them in that direction, and not even really attack to force Andy to backtrack?


... And some other reports are just funny

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ORIGINAL: PzB
Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1231 troops, 9 guns, 224 vehicles, Assault Value = 1948
Defending force 9021 troops, 63 guns, 43 vehicles, Assault Value = 15

Japanese ground losses:
241 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)



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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/7/2011 4:21:51 PM   
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Looking at the above numbers, Andy must have his force reduced to some ~5,000-5,500 AV presently. Disruption and fatigue probably being sky high in the units that suffered most. A large number of destroyed squads, whatever units they are from. The big question is how fast the disabled squads, vehicles and guns can be repaired? There is no "supply(-)" there, and Rangoon is close by, so I guess some 10-15% will return every day? Anybody having any better guesses? With that rate, Andy will be ready again within 10 days to do whatever his plans could be. I don't see why he attacked directly, but likely he will repeat this -- otherwise, why would he accept such losses? Perhaps because of you house rules? What do they mean in a stalemate situation once Monsoon starts?


Disabled squads repair at the same speed as replacements for killed squads. So in a well supplied base in rest mode at 1-4 each day. Out in the field 1-4 each 3 days (replacement delay). So it takes quite some time to repair 2500 disabled squads. I currently have a Chinese army with around 4000 disabled squads and even in a base with split divisions (A/B/C) and everything in rest mode it takes around 3-4 months to repair them. So disabled squads take a loooong time to repair, especially if the unit is not in a base.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/7/2011 4:59:19 PM   
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With some ~50 combat units there, that would mean about 50-200 squads every 3 days for all the damaged units together. Sounds about right. I never watched replacements so closely, so I better be careful with any guesses. At 200/3 days, it would be a month until Andy will have all his disabled squads return to their units, plus replacement of destroyed ones. At a more average 125 squads, it would be almost 60 days. I guess the time at which Andy will move on will depend on the overall shape of his army, and whether he can scrape together replacement formations, so 30-60 days might be a overestimated upper limit. Maybe it will be more like 20-40 days?

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/7/2011 5:03:41 PM   
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Some info related to the Christams island battle:

1.) The adjusted AV of Andy where all the time quite low. I experienced, with prepared troops and good HQ support in 44 you can get up to 1,6 the non adjusted AV in an deliberate attack and almost tripple the unadjusted AV with an shock attack. The main problem i think for Andy where the /x units. If a unit is not completed (or a fragmet fights) the combat values is quite lower than if the main body fights.

2.) It is mainly a supply problem for sieges of heavy fortifies bases. With some good carrier bombardment, some air bombardment you can reduce the supply even with lvl 9 forts in a x3 terrain island (Truk) very quickly. And as soon as the defender runs out of supply you have won.

In general congratulations to the river crossing of Andy.

Squads: 601 destroyed, 2245 disabled -> Depending on the force composition you killed a few months of replacements and with 2k disabled squads take quite a long time to repair. I would expect that mainly all the small bdes got mauled and the divisions still work but it was quite a blow.


However, unless I'm mistaken Christmas Is was still in good supply. Andy took the base so quickly by main force that there was no need to pound supply to zero via a siege.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/7/2011 7:11:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cribtop


quote:

ORIGINAL: beppi

Some info related to the Christams island battle:

1.) The adjusted AV of Andy where all the time quite low. I experienced, with prepared troops and good HQ support in 44 you can get up to 1,6 the non adjusted AV in an deliberate attack and almost tripple the unadjusted AV with an shock attack. The main problem i think for Andy where the /x units. If a unit is not completed (or a fragmet fights) the combat values is quite lower than if the main body fights.

2.) It is mainly a supply problem for sieges of heavy fortifies bases. With some good carrier bombardment, some air bombardment you can reduce the supply even with lvl 9 forts in a x3 terrain island (Truk) very quickly. And as soon as the defender runs out of supply you have won.

In general congratulations to the river crossing of Andy.

Squads: 601 destroyed, 2245 disabled -> Depending on the force composition you killed a few months of replacements and with 2k disabled squads take quite a long time to repair. I would expect that mainly all the small bdes got mauled and the divisions still work but it was quite a blow.


However, unless I'm mistaken Christmas Is was still in good supply. Andy took the base so quickly by main force that there was no need to pound supply to zero via a siege.

my understanding as well ...

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/7/2011 7:50:36 PM   
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Andy admitted that this was a worse trashing than he hoped / expected!

Still got almost 3000 AV at Moulmein; will evacuate a burned out division (120 AV left) and replace it with a tank and an inf div within 5 days.
In total another 5000 AV available reserves in theatres nearby but it will trickle in over the next month and I also need plenty units to guard the railroad ESE of Moulmein.
- A counter attak is out considering Allied firepower advantages, airpower and numerical superiority....perhaps bombardments, will try one.

Trying to rest the airforce to build up reserves and new fighters, so unless there's something significant to be gained...
Need to replace lots of Tojo's before I'm happy!-)

Yep, still had 44k supplies at Xmas Island Down from ca 52 since the beginning of the siege.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/7/2011 10:25:44 PM   
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I think the biggest factor that I have seen with a shock attack over a river is that the defender must be disrupted or you are going to really suffer unless you have overwhelming odds. The only option is to pound the defender with air power for a week or so before attempting. I have found that if the enemy is disrupted then an Allied army can get over with about even losses. If not then disaster looms. But that seems right too.

Note that the attacker in this case was disrupted. That was going to hurt.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/8/2011 2:52:26 PM   
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Heh.

I would advice some caution on your time frame for Andy's recovery. As someone else stated, the smaller units likely took a disproportionate thrashing compared to the big Divs. Common to see a brigade reduced by 90% while a Div is only reduced by 25%. On the heels of the discussion of how islands can't hold more than 7 days, I would take these results with the same idea in mind.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/8/2011 10:34:39 PM   
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Actually, I'm not worried about Moulmein - got enough reinforcements enroute and now we got the Allied army nicely placed in a "safe place"
First enemy unit marched north today.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 24, 44

Sub Attacks

Really a lot of subs around Line Islands.
An AD tried to escape and was hit after numerous attacks.

Submarine attack near Palmyra at 163,131

Japanese Ships
AD Shintoku Maru

Allied Ships
SS S-32

AD Shintoku Maru is sighted by SS S-32
SS S-32 launches 2 torpedoes
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Submarine attack near Palmyra at 163,131
Japanese Ships
AD Shintoku Maru

Allied Ships
SS S-32

AD Shintoku Maru is sighted by SS S-32
SS S-32 launches 2 torpedoes
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Submarine attack near San Francisco at 214,74

Japanese Ships
SS I-4, hits 22, and is sunk

Allied Ships
AV Currituck
AKA Artemis
TK Huguenot
TK K.R. Kingsbury
LCI(G)-80
LCI(G)-79
xAK William B. Leeds
xAK Richard Moczkowski
xAK Peter Cooper Hewitt
xAK Mary A. Livermore
xAK John W. Foster
xAK Jeremiah M. Rusk
xAK James Devereux
xAK Franz Sigel
xAK Edward Lander
xAK Allen Johnson
xAK Abram S. Hewitt
xAK Defiance
xAK Cape Kildare
DD Morrison
DE England

SS I-4 is sighted by escort
I-4 diving deep ....
DD Morrison fails to find sub and abandons search
DE England fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE England fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE England attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-4 forced to surface!
DD Morrison firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves
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Submarine attack near Palmyra at 162,130

Japanese Ships
AD Shintoku Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Gabilan

AD Shintoku Maru is sighted by SS Gabilan
SS Gabilan launches 4 torpedoes

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Air Combat

Lots of air strikes at Moulmein - doesn't make much of an impact.
Our Oscars do a great job sacrificing them so the Frances bombers can get through.
There's an iron bottom sound outside Rangoon now!

Morning Air attack on Taberfane , at 82,117
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 1
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 3

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 10
B-25D1 Mitchell x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 destroyed

Airbase supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 52,54
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y1 Frances x 9
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16

Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 3
Hurricane IIc Trop x 2
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1
Spitfire VIII x 4
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
xAK Marcus Daly, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Trevaylor, Torpedo hits 2, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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Ground Combat

Absolutely no fight left at Xmas; just a mop up of prisoners.

Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 64854 troops, 1400 guns, 1348 vehicles, Assault Value = 2038
Defending force 8077 troops, 49 guns, 43 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Allied adjusted assault: 209
Japanese adjusted defense: 25

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
692 casualties reported
Squads: 56 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (3 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
37th Infantry Division
93rd Infantry Division
22nd Marine Regiment
193rd Tank Battalion
6th Infantry Division
43rd Infantry Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
1st Marine Division
3rd Marine Division
XIV US Corps
V US Amphib Force
1/198th Coast AA Battalion

Defending units:
54th Division
144th Infantry RCT /1
4th Fleet
19th Army
4th Air Division
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Japanese Unit(s) Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!

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Burma & Div

Some good news! Remember the isolated elite division north in Burma?
After marching an arty unit over the "barrier paper border" the division was free and has now marched (fully supplied) south and
I think we should be able to extract it altogether

Our new subs got radar, the upgrade has provided split torp tubes and more guns.
Our first new APD has arrived as well.

Upgraded a small unit to the new Tony d. It only got drop tanks, no bombs as indicated in the encyclopedia.
Is this an error in the encyclopedia or in the actual ac model? At least the Tony got a decent range with drop tanks but I had hoped it could
carry bombs at shorter range....




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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/8/2011 11:05:36 PM   
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If you de-activate drop tanks and then go to Aircraft data, you will see the load out w/o drop tanks. Neat feature!

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/8/2011 11:28:09 PM   
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Yes, no drop tanks but the menu doesn't mention 250kg bombs either...so wondered about whether it really got ordnance at normal range or not!

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/8/2011 11:40:10 PM   
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Must be a database change that I have not upgraded to. My version looks like this w/o drop tanks.




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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/9/2011 8:30:39 AM   
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Ki-61 used same racks for both bombs and drop tanks, so if the game has it right it cant carry them both. In real life they often carried a drop tank in the other and a bomb in the other rack...

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/9/2011 8:00:44 PM   
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As you can see from the screen in this post, no bomb payload...


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 25, 44

Sub Attacks

Midgets are good at finishing cripples if nothing else!

Submarine attack near Rangoon at 54,54

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-50

Allied Ships
xAK Trevaylor, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

xAK Trevaylor is sighted by SSX Ha-50
SSX Ha-50 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Trevaylor

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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Terapo , at 96,127
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 106 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 27

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 3
Kittyhawk IV x 3
Spitfire VIII x 9
Kittyhawk IV x 5
P-39N1 Airacobra x 5
P-40N5 Warhawk x 3
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 10 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk III: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Terapo , at 96,127
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 57 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 27

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 2
Spitfire VIII x 9
Kittyhawk IV x 3
P-39N1 Airacobra x 5
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed
Spitfire VIII: 3 destroyed
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed
P-39N1 Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Terapo at 96,127
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N1 Jill x 10

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 9
P-38J Lightning x 2
P-39N1 Airacobra x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL Dauntless
LCI-436, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Morning Air attack on Dobo , at 83,116
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 53 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 3
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 19
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 14

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Terapo at 96,127
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N1 Jill x 7

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 3
Spitfire VIII x 2
P-39N1 Airacobra x 3
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 5 destroyed

No Allied losses
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Afternoon Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 54 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 45

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 29

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 66268 troops, 1402 guns, 1374 vehicles, Assault Value = 2071
Defending force 7384 troops, 30 guns, 43 vehicles, Assault Value = 6

Allied adjusted assault: 107
Japanese adjusted defense: 13

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
570 casualties reported
Squads: 40 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
43rd Infantry Division
6th Infantry Division
93rd Infantry Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
22nd Marine Regiment
1st Marine Division
37th Infantry Division
3rd Marine Division
V US Amphib Force
XIV US Corps
1/198th Coast AA Battalion

Defending units:
54th Division
4th Fleet
19th Army
4th Air Division
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54th Division Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!

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Div Stats

Some heavy fighting in the air today, had set up 60+ naval bombers in New Guinea but they all refused to fly...again!
Only sweepers and some low altitude Jills went in and hit an LCA instead of the cruiser.

Here is the 54th Div cadre safely at Canton Island. Will evacuate to Marianas and rebuild there.




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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/12/2011 8:06:05 AM   
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Heh, and once again sorties are almost equal. Kinda hard to figure out what side have more planes on-map. Maybe now just began full releasing phase for Europe Invasion?

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Yes, no drop tanks but the menu doesn't mention 250kg bombs either...so wondered about whether it really got ordnance at normal range or not!

Try setting airgroup mission to some ground attack. It seems some types of mission do not show ordnance, if it is not used. Few days ago I thought, that there is something wrong wth NATEs, after new patch, but I have discovered, that planes in Training mission do not list bombs.

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Here is the 54th Div cadre safely at Canton Island. Will evacuate to Marianas and rebuild there.

How were you able to extract guns from Christmas?

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

I think you're missing my point. Walk this through, if the best defended island can be taken in 7 days, what does that mean in the game? Doesn't matter how it is taken, simply that IJ cannot hold any island for more than 7 days.

That is mainly the fault of combat model. It seems that forts are falling too fast, if enemy have too much AV superiority. It probably should be possible only to reduce forts by Combat Engineers, or really high ratio, surely more than 2:1.
But in the case of last battle at Christmas it can be fault of beta changes, where support is targetted only 10% of the time.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/12/2011 7:53:13 PM   
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Been a few quiet turns, we're almost into May 44....
Nothing special to report.

The 54th Div had replacements ON when arriving on Canton Island, think it received some guns there.
Otherwise I airlifted them with the large Emily transport planes.

Will try out the Tony d as soon as the "test" group is ready, still going through initial preps to get all ac ready.
Soon I will also upgrade a unit to the new Jack model. With 180 Franks in the pools I'm finally getting a surplus and can start upgrading
Tojo frontline units.

Here is a screen of Moulmein:

Just a few LCU rotations left and in a day or two we should be at 4000+ AV.
With a total of 2000 AV on the road to the south, 2000 AV moving into Chiang Mai and 2000 AV resting and rebuilding in Bangkok - Singapore
we have ample amount of troops at our disposal in this theatre. Future reinforcements will tricklet into SRA, Marianas, Phillippines in that succession.

Within 2 months we will receive our last carrier reinforcements and start production of the Grace.
I'm not planning on any major actions unless forced to before another 4 months has passed, by then we will be at full Combined Fleet strength.
Our new subs are arriving with radar, will build new flotillas and only deploy them when there is reasonable chance for success.

Does anyone have experience with radar equipped Jap subs, are they more efficient than those without?




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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/12/2011 8:18:43 PM   
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Looks to me like you've stabilized the Burma/Thailand front, which is a big deal as it's the only substantial progress Andy's made and you're almost halfway to '45. Christmas Island was unfortunate, but it's a long way from there to Tokyo (hell, it's a long way from there to the Marshalls).


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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/12/2011 8:33:09 PM   
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I hope so! Andy will have to committ to amph landings to continue his offensives in the near future.
I did have plans to interfer with his Xmas Island landings but the Judy nerf stopped it, so nothing could be done but perhaps it will turn out to the better

Marshalls are smaller atolls and no major base complexes there, if Andy goes for them it will be a delaying effort there only.
No infrastructure to support a the Combined Fleet. So this is another freebie and by the time such a move can be completed the Solomons and southern New Guinea and most likely New Britain will have been
pacified and occupied as well. By then we should be close to 45 and our attention has to be on our main defensive lines.


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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/12/2011 11:20:38 PM   
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Precisely. You have a real opportunity to run out the clock. Eventually he may feel rushed and try a big jump into the inner perimeter. That would be the chance for a final and perhaps game winning naval victory.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/13/2011 6:10:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Precisely. You have a real opportunity to run out the clock. Eventually he may feel rushed and try a big jump into the inner perimeter. That would be the chance for a final and perhaps game winning naval victory.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/13/2011 7:05:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PzB
Does anyone have experience with radar equipped Jap subs, are they more efficient than those without?


They'll generate more attacks but they die just as easily against the allied DCs.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/13/2011 2:23:02 PM   
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Yes, unless we run out of patience first that is!-p)

Not a lot to report, a probing arty bombardment at Moulmein.
So now Andy can see that we have 4000 AV in place. You cannot get through here is the message.
In a week we got our Central Burma Army ready to rail south from Chiang Mai. This will be theatre reserve for
both Malaya, Burma, Indo-China and Sumatra region.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 30, 44

Ground Combat

Ground combat at 99,128 (near Buna)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10114 troops, 211 guns, 198 vehicles, Assault Value = 335
Defending force 160 troops, 4 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Allied adjusted assault: 153

Japanese adjusted defense: 1
Allied assault odds: 153 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
126 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1
Units destroyed 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
Americal Infantry Division

Defending units:
55th Mountain Gun Regiment
11th JAAF Base Force /1
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Ground combat at Moulmein (55,55)
Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2792 troops, 251 guns, 103 vehicles, Assault Value = 5485
Defending force 124929 troops, 1432 guns, 1812 vehicles, Assault Value = 4061

Japanese ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 21 (4 destroyed, 17 disabled)

Assaulting units:
17th Indian Division
25th Indian Division
641st Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
11th PAVO Regiment
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
8th KGV Light Cav Regiment
45th Indian Brigade
Provisionl Tank Brigade
81st (West African) Division
23rd Indian Division
18th British Division
84th Indian Brigade
7th Indian Division
267th Armoured Brigade
16th Chindit Brigade
31st Infantry Regiment
16th Canadian Brigade
32nd Infantry Division
14th Chindit Brigade
Merrills Marauders Regiment
36th Indian Division
75th IAC Regiment
Gardner's Horse Regiment
5th Indian Division
23rd Chindit Brigade
Guides Cavalry Regiment
158th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
268th Motorised Brigade
4th Marine Regiment
3rd Cavalry Regiment
9th Australian Division
134th Field Artillery Battalion
XV Indian Corps
23rd AA Bde
26th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
156th USA Base Force
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
159th USA Base Force
IV Corps RIASC Base Force
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
29th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
XV Corps RIASC Base Force
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Indian AA Bde
14th Army
6th Mixed A/T Mtr Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
IV Indian Corps
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
22nd Light AA Regiment
II/14th Army RIASC Base Force

Defending units:
1st Ind.Mixed Regiment
3rd Raiding Regiment
33rd Division
56th Engineer Regiment
11th Division
60th Division
4th Guards Division
Guards Tank Division
9th Division
2nd Guards Division
32nd Division
3rd Tank Division
7th RTA/B Division
4th Shipping Engineer Regiment
28th Army
51st Ind.AA Gun Co
Burma Area Army
40th JNAF AF Unit
39th Road Const Co
26th Special Base Force
3rd Mortar Battalion
16th AA Regiment
51st Field AA Battalion
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st JAAF Base Force
69th Field AA Battalion
41st Air Defense AA Regiment
48th Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
55th Field AA Battalion
21st Army
15th Army
12th Mortar Battalion
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
8th JAAF AF Bn
2nd Medium Mortar Battalion
1st Provisional Base Force

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/13/2011 7:49:03 PM   
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Fingers crossed to hold on.

What's going on in China?

And how well trained are your ASW ships and planes? US subs about to start wreak havoc, I think.

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/13/2011 10:12:06 PM   
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First time posting here Johraiken? If so, nice to see you here
We got a "truce" in China...so fine little going on.

Got a large fleet of sub hunters and patrol craft plus a large air armada with special ASW trained bombers.
Andy has retired his sub fleets after taking heavy losses, no mainly using them in combination with major amph operations to attack the Combined Fleet.
- A US sub was resposible for the KB's largest loss when the Kaga took 5-6 torp hit and went straight down during the Second Battle of the Line Islands.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 01, 44

Air Combat

Sent Franks to ambush bombers at Umboi Island.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Umboi Island at 100,125
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 29

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 2
A-24 Banshee x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
A-24 Banshee: 6 destroyed

Japanese Ships
xAKL Daiten Maru
xAKL Shinsoku Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

CAP engaged:
5th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (9 airborne, 20 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
14 planes vectored on to bombers

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAKL Shinsoku Maru

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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/17/2011 6:24:16 PM   
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Ok been some action and time for a summary!
Been rather buffed after work this week but managed to get a turn around each day.

Enemy forces approached Milne Bay and fighting ensued.
Our low level special naval bomber units in the Solomons challenged the enemy.

A handful of vessels were hit and a force of ~4000 enemy troops landed on Milne Bay which is defended by a reinforced Infantry regiment.
The place got 5 forts and ca 100 AV. Enemy air strikes on the base and troops have been frequent.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 03, 44

Air Combat

Morning Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 3,100 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 1
P-38J Lightning x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL Dauntless
CL Ceres

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 2,100 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia Peggy x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia Peggy: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Beaverhead, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-67-Ia Peggy bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 3 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,133
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 3,100 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 18

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 1
P-38J Lightning x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 15 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Sims
AK Alamosa, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
AK Amador, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Cheleb, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 148th Infantry Regiment, at 101,133 (Milne Bay)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 6
Kittyhawk III x 7
Kittyhawk IV x 6
Mitchell II x 5
Spitfire VIII x 17
PV-1 Ventura x 7
B-25D1 Mitchell x 19
B-25G Mitchell x 6
B-25H Mitchell x 3
P-38H Lightning x 7
P-38J Lightning x 3
P-40K Warhawk x 14
P-40N5 Warhawk x 6
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 12
P-51B Mustang x 7

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Merauke at 89,124
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 139 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 41 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y1 Frances x 9

Allied aircraft
P-39N1 Airacobra x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 4 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Coquina, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

CAP engaged:
15th FG/46th FS with P-39N1 Airacobra (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes

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Invasions

Pre-Invasion action off Milne Bay (101,133)
44 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CL Ceres
CL Dauntless
DD Frazier
DD Anthony
LST-335
LCI-435
LST-122
DD Sims
LST-39

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

CL Ceres firing at 148th Infantry Regiment
CL Dauntless firing at 10th RF Gun Battalion
DD Frazier firing at 148th Infantry Regiment
DD Anthony firing at 2nd JNAF AF Unit
DD Frazier fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 6,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards
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Amphibious Assault at Milne Bay (101,133)
TF 88 troops unloading over beach at Milne Bay, 101,133

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled

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Air Losses

Suddenly the Tony d displayed bomb load...strange.




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RE: Christmas Island falls! - 11/17/2011 6:27:53 PM   
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Air losses in the screen is actually for the next turn!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 04, 44

Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Merauke , at 89,124
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 20
N1K1-J George x 24

Allied aircraft
P-39N1 Airacobra x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39N1 Airacobra: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
17 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Buna , at 99,129
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 44

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 2
Spitfire VIII x 6
Hurricane XIIb x 6
Kittyhawk I x 1
P-39N1 Airacobra x 4
P-40K Warhawk x 9
P-40N5 Warhawk x 2
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 6
P-51B Mustang x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane XIIb: 1 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed
P-39N1 Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 100,136
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 115 NM, estimated altitude 3,100 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 12
B6N2 Jill x 10

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 1
P-38J Lightning x 2
F6F-3 Hellcat x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 4 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Renshaw
CA Devonshire, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B6N2 Jill bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Milne Bay , at 101,133
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 12
Kittyhawk III x 7
Kittyhawk IV x 7
Mitchell II x 12
Spitfire VIII x 13
PV-1 Ventura x 16
B-25D1 Mitchell x 34
B-25G Mitchell x 9
B-25H Mitchell x 6
P-40N5 Warhawk x 8
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16
P-51B Mustang x 10

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 7 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 4

Also attacking 10th RF Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 148th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 2nd JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking Milne Bay ...
Also attacking 148th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 10th RF Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 148th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 10th RF Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 148th Infantry Regiment ...

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Burma

Enemy troops have withdrawn from the eastern flank of Moulmein. Still 320k troops in Moulmein proper.
In the north the 4th Division has made contact with the garrison in Lashio and has started it's trek to the south.
- So comes a loong siege to an end; we still controls parts of Burma, we haven't lost any major troop concentrations and the front has been stabilized.




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Milne Bay Invaded - 11/17/2011 6:39:26 PM   
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May 5th and a full Australian Division is also landed at Milne Bay.
We deploy midget subs, PT boats and LBA to interdict and achieve some good hits.
- The most spectacular was when an MTB torpedoed the escort carrier Corregidor.

Our air strikes were fairly efficient against a somewhat lacking enemy CAP.

In Burma enemy 4Es hit Port Blair in force; our CAP claimed ~30 B-24s shot down.
In return the base was wrecked, 20ish ac destroyed on ground and I've been forced to evacuate all operational air groups.
We know what happens when base damage hits 100% tomorow, then there's no way out.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 05, 44

Surface Combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Milne Bay at 101,133, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-222, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
MTB G-228
MTB G-230
MTB G-233
MTB G-16, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CVE Corregidor, Torpedo hits 1
CA Sussex
CL Sumatra
CL Mauritius
CL Birmingham
CL Glasgow, Shell hits 1
CL Mobile
DD Bache
DD Monssen
DD Panther
DD Crane
DD Kilty
DD Humphreys

Reduced visibility due to Thunderstorms with 96% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 96% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 25,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
MTB G-16 engages CVE Corregidor at 1,000 yards
MTB G-16 engages CL Sumatra at 1,000 yards
Massive explosion on MTB G-16
MTB G-16 sunk by DD Humphreys at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
CVE Corregidor screened from combat
- escorted by DD Humphreys , DD Kilty , DD Crane ,
DD Panther , DD Monssen , DD Bache
CL Glasgow engages MTB G-233 at 2,000 yards
MTB G-222 sunk by CL Glasgow at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
CVE Corregidor screened from combat
Range increases to 4,000 yards
CVE Corregidor screened from combat
- escorted by DD Humphreys , DD Kilty , DD Crane ,
DD Panther , DD Monssen , DD Bache
Range increases to 6,000 yards
CVE Corregidor screened from combat
- escorted by DD Humphreys , DD Kilty , DD Crane ,
DD Panther , DD Monssen , DD Bache
Range increases to 8,000 yards
CVE Corregidor screened from combat
- escorted by DD Humphreys , DD Kilty , DD Crane ,
DD Panther , DD Monssen , DD Bache
CL Sumatra engages MTB G-233 at 8,000 yards
Task forces break off...
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ay Time Surface Combat, near Milne Bay at 101,133, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-228
MTB G-230, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
MTB G-233, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Devonshire
CA Frobisher
DD Nicholas
DD O'Bannon
DD Philip
DD Radford
DD Renshaw
DD Schroeder
DD Stanly
APD Herbert
APA Joseph T. Dickman
APA Barnett
APA Doyen
APA Ormsby
APA Sheridan
xAP Santa Paula, heavy damage
LCI-443
xAK Sea Snipe
xAK Simoon
xAK Kina II
LSI(L) Empire Pride
xAK Mariso
xAP Kelantan

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Invasions

Pre-Invasion action off Milne Bay (101,133)
30 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA Frobisher
CA Devonshire
DD Stanly
DD Renshaw
DD Nicholas
LCI-443
APA Sheridan

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

CA Frobisher firing at 2nd JNAF AF Unit
CA Devonshire firing at 148th Infantry Regiment
DD Stanly firing at 148th Infantry Regiment
DD Renshaw firing at 2nd JNAF AF Unit
DD Nicholas firing at 148th Infantry Regiment
DD Renshaw fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards
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Amphibious Assault at Milne Bay (101,133)
TF 45 troops unloading over beach at Milne Bay, 101,133

Allied ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Bren AAMG (x2) lost in surf during unload of 7th Australian Div /3
11 troops of a AIF Inf Section 44 lost in surf during unload of 7th Australian Div /14

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Sub Attacks

Submarine attack near Milne Bay at 101,133
Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-23

Allied Ships
xAP Santa Paula, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

xAP Santa Paula is sighted by SSX Ha-23
SSX Ha-23 launches 2 torpedoes at xAP Santa Paula
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ASW attack near Milne Bay at 101,133

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-27, hits 5, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CL Mauritius
DD Panther
DD Humphreys
DD Kilty
DD Crane

SSX Ha-27 is sighted by escort
DD Humphreys attacking submerged sub ....
DD Kilty fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Crane attacking submerged sub ....
Debris floats to surface in area of attack!
Escort abandons search for sub

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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Port Blair , at 46,58
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 36
Ki-84a Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-38G Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,133
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 6,100 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 36
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 11

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 1
F6F-3 Hellcat x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M2 Jack: 2 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 10 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL Sumatra, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Panther
CL Mauritius
DD Humphreys

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,134
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia Peggy x 6

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia Peggy: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-67-Ia Peggy: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CA Devonshire

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-67-Ia Peggy bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,134
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 1,100 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia Peggy x 9

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia Peggy: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CA Devonshire
APA Ormsby

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-67-Ia Peggy bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 3 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,133
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 1,100 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 32
N1K1-J George x 27
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M2 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 7 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Alcona, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE Austin
AK Pavo, Bomb hits 2, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
8 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
14 x J2M2 Jack sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on 1st Australian Para Battalion, at 103,135 (Deboyne Islands)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 1,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 1000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 2nd Marine Raider Bn /1 ...
Also attacking 1st Australian Para Bn /1 ...
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Morning Air attack on Port Blair , at 46,58
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 26
Ki-84a Frank x 44

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 74
PV-1N Ventura x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 3 destroyed on ground
P1Y1 Frances: 2 destroyed on ground
H6K5 Mavis: 1 destroyed on ground
J1N1-C Irving: 1 destroyed on ground
H8K2 Emily: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 4 destroyed, 14 damaged
PV-1N Ventura: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 45

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Milne Bay , at 101,133
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 8
Kittyhawk IV x 6
Mitchell II x 11
Spitfire VIII x 14
PV-1 Ventura x 17
B-25D1 Mitchell x 34
B-25G Mitchell x 9
B-25H Mitchell x 6
P-40K Warhawk x 13
P-40N5 Warhawk x 2
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 17
P-51B Mustang x 9
F6F-3 Hellcat x 2

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 14 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Also attacking 2nd JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking 10th RF Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 148th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking Milne Bay ...
Also attacking 148th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 10th RF Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 148th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 10th RF Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 148th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 2nd JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking 148th Infantry Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on Port Blair , at 46,58
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 50 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 25
Ki-84a Frank x 40

Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.VI x 12
B-24D1 Liberator x 38
B-24J Liberator x 43
B-25C Mitchell x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
H6K5 Mavis: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 3 destroyed on ground
P1Y1 Frances: 4 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator GR.VI: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 12
Runway hits 39
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Morning Air attack on Port Blair , at 46,58
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 7
Ki-84a Frank x 14

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 12
B-24J Liberator x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 9 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 15
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Morning Air attack on Woodlark Island , at 104,133
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 43

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 31
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Morning Air attack on Port Blair , at 46,58
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 63 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 8

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 6
B-25D1 Mitchell x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
H8K2 Emily: 1 destroyed on ground
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Port Blair , at 46,58
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 6

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 5 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Buna at 99,129
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 3,100 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 15

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 2
Spitfire VIII x 6
Hurricane XIIb x 6
Kittyhawk I x 1
P-39N1 Airacobra x 2
P-40K Warhawk x 8
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
PT-66
PT-77, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PT-115

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

PT-66 dead in the water ...
PT-77 dead in the water ...
PT-115 dead in the water ...
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,133
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 2,100 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 11

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 1
F6F-3 Hellcat x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,134
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia Peggy x 6

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia Peggy: 5 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CA Frobisher, Bomb hits 1
CA Devonshire

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-67-Ia Peggy bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Milne Bay at 101,133
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 109 NM, estimated altitude 1,100 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 31
N1K1-J George x 11
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 1
F6F-3 Hellcat x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M2 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Ascella, Shell hits 1, Bomb hits 3, on fire
AK Indus, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DE Austin, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
7 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
15 x J2M2 Jack sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Merauke at 89,124
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 39
P1Y1 Frances x 9

Allied aircraft
P-39N1 Airacobra x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Ensley City
AM Shepparton

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
14 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet

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Invasions

Pre-Invasion action off Milne Bay (101,133)
40 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CL Dauntless
CL Adelaide
PC Jackson
LCI-435
LST-39
LST-40
DE Hotspur
DD Sims

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

CL Adelaide firing at 10th RF Gun Battalion
PC Jackson fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

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Milne Bay Invaded




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