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Important Question to DEVs - 11/7/2009 9:20:58 PM   
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I am about to start a grand campaigne as a Japanese.
Is it safe to work the first turn befor patch 2?

We want to start after it will be released but I would like to start working on a first turn it right now.

I do apreciate You answer.





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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/8/2009 12:19:44 AM   
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I believe the monsoon weather changes will require a start with Patch 2.  The database update will update the ships, aircraft, and devices.

The game will be quite playable with Patch 2.  I'm still playing a scenario started with the initial release and it works fine.  To get all database updates you need to start under Patch 2.  Code updates will work on any version (except a few like the monsoon code that requires some database changes too).  The few changes that won't work with older games are designed to work smoothly with old games so there are no problems with playing an older scenario, just a few new features won't be there.

So it's up to you.  Starting now and upgrading to patch 2 will get you around 90% of the changes with no problems (that we know of). 

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/8/2009 12:33:59 AM   
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Thank You Bill.

I will wait.

Monsoone weather seem way too cool to miss it.

Is there a chance we will get it before Dec 7th?

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/8/2009 2:34:39 AM   
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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/8/2009 2:49:50 AM   
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I, too, am debating waiting for patch two and restarting a game or continuing with the current game. I am in mid 43 and just lost one of my favorate leaders -KIA. I was hoping for a little information on what the patch will be changing, so that I may make a more informed decision as to wait or not. Any info would be appreciated.

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/8/2009 3:34:32 AM   
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My purely personnal recommendation would be to wait unit patch 2.

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/8/2009 5:25:34 AM   
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Which brings up the question: When is patch two to do due?

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/8/2009 5:59:25 AM   
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Just curious...accounting for monsoon season, can the same type of thing be done for the long winter in Alaska?

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/8/2009 7:11:52 AM   
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Just curious...accounting for monsoon season, can the same type of thing be done for the long winter in Alaska?


I thought it was already. Notice that you get 'blizzard' sometimes... Does that cover what you mean?

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/8/2009 12:13:31 PM   
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My purely personnal recommendation would be to wait unit patch 2.



ESPECIALLY if it fixes the "Artillery Death Star" problem...

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/8/2009 1:24:04 PM   
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I'll see your death star, and raise you a rebal base!

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/8/2009 1:38:13 PM   
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For Rebel Bases you'll have to wait for Treespider's mod...

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/8/2009 1:58:22 PM   
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quote:

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Just curious...accounting for monsoon season, can the same type of thing be done for the long winter in Alaska?


I thought it was already. Notice that you get 'blizzard' sometimes... Does that cover what you mean?

I don't see anything BUT blizzard most of the time but that was only half the year in reality...

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/8/2009 2:04:56 PM   
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I used to be in a unit whose capstone mission was the Aleutians.  Summers were miserable.  Wouldn't have wanted to see what winters were like.

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/8/2009 3:38:23 PM   
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quote:

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I'll see your death star, and raise you a rebal base!



For Rebel Bases you'll have to wait for Treespider's mod...

X-Wings are already in the game.....they call them Corsairs

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/8/2009 10:12:08 PM   
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I used to be in a unit whose capstone mission was the Aleutians.  Summers were miserable.  Wouldn't have wanted to see what winters were like.


Many meteorologists consider the Aleutians as having the worst weather on Earth. My father was on Attu in 1945 and concurs with them. There was only one day he could see the engines when they took off and he wished he couldn't see because he saw how many planes hadn't made it. The area around the field was littered with wrecks.

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/9/2009 12:42:27 AM   
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Radar picket stations in the Aleutians were the absolute worst nightmare of a posting one could get.  Nothing like guard duty on a winter night....

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/9/2009 1:24:39 AM   
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My purely personnal recommendation would be to wait unit patch 2.


Then so I shall!

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/9/2009 2:23:57 AM   
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Radar picket stations in the Aleutians were the absolute worst nightmare of a posting one could get.  Nothing like guard duty on a winter night....


A prison camp in Burma was probably worse, but only marginally.

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/9/2009 2:38:49 AM   
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And the fact that they would be flying night missions three months out of the year...

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/9/2009 9:54:54 AM   
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I used to be in a unit whose capstone mission was the Aleutians.  Summers were miserable.  Wouldn't have wanted to see what winters were like.


I was stationed in Adak from 1990 to 1992 at the Antisubmarine Warfare Operations Center. I also was on detachment there with VP-40 several times.

I loved it there. Winters weren't that bad. Winters in New York City are far worse. Winter temps seldom dropped below 20 degrees F at night and would hover around 32-40 degrees F during the day. It was the wind chill that got you. A calm day in winter was around 25kts of wind. There were actually more days of sunshine in the winter than in the summer. It did snow a fair amount but there was seldom more than 2-6 inches on the ground with drifts in places due to the wind. Was kind of funny standing in hte middle of a blizzard with the sun shining overhead.

Summer months tended to have a lot of foggy days with the highest temp recorded at Adak being 72 degrees F. Average wind speed in the summer was around 15kts.

I do remember once when a Reeves Aleutian Airline DC-9 took off from Adak during a spring williwaw (windstorm). Winds were over 100mph and the DC-9 looked like a helicopter going straight up. I swear it cleared a 1000ft of altitude before it reached the end of the runway.

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/9/2009 5:53:41 PM   
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Radar picket stations in the Aleutians were the absolute worst nightmare of a posting one could get.  Nothing like guard duty on a winter night....


When I left OCS women were just beginning to be eligible for sea duty. Very few billets. To be "fair" the detailers sent as many women as they could to Adak and Diego Garcia, one year unaccompanied tours, to equal the guys doing sea duty. I don't know about Adak, but I later spent four months on DG, and it was FAR more fun than doing boomer patrols. I saved 120% of my paycheck those four months too (the manager of the British Cable & Wireless office had a poor understanding of probability theory.)

Diego was good duty. In Adak, I guess you could still drink and contemplate the mighty moose. Good times.

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/9/2009 7:46:54 PM   
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Diego was good duty. In Adak, I guess you could still drink and contemplate the mighty moose. Good times.


Sorry, no moose on Adak, just some cariboo and fox. Both brought in by man. Fishing is great though. Lots of salmon, cod and halibut.

I found Diego Garcia more boring than Adak. Once you had gone to the beach, you had pretty much done everything there was to do there. Swimming in the lagoon wasn't advised due to the presence of Hector the Hammerhead shark. That was the name we gave all the sharks. One civillian worker was killed by the sharks in the lagoon during my stay. He was surf fishing and waded out too far.

Adak was far more picturesque with plenty of hiking, hunting and fishing. Of course, the weather often limited your ability to do any of those.

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/9/2009 7:58:54 PM   
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Diego was good duty. In Adak, I guess you could still drink and contemplate the mighty moose. Good times.


Sorry, no moose on Adak, just some cariboo and fox. Both brought in by man. Fishing is great though. Lots of salmon, cod and halibut.

I found Diego Garcia more boring than Adak. Once you had gone to the beach, you had pretty much done everything there was to do there. Swimming in the lagoon wasn't advised due to the presence of Hector the Hammerhead shark. That was the name we gave all the sharks. One civillian worker was killed by the sharks in the lagoon during my stay. He was surf fishing and waded out too far.

Adak was far more picturesque with plenty of hiking, hunting and fishing. Of course, the weather often limited your ability to do any of those.

Chez


No wonder it smell funny in here, we cant live without the fishes :)

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/9/2009 9:19:55 PM   
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No wonder it smell funny in here, we cant live without the fishes :)




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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/9/2009 10:16:31 PM   
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Training of air groups in patch 1 got borked, playing Japanese most of my Betty/Nell air groups now have an experience level below 60, one bombing mission with a missed fighter escort and they get slaughtered. I would wait for this to be fixed in patch 2, along with other new added features.
 

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/9/2009 10:24:31 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

I used to be in a unit whose capstone mission was the Aleutians.  Summers were miserable.  Wouldn't have wanted to see what winters were like.


I was stationed in Adak from 1990 to 1992 at the Antisubmarine Warfare Operations Center. I also was on detachment there with VP-40 several times.

I loved it there. Winters weren't that bad. Winters in New York City are far worse. Winter temps seldom dropped below 20 degrees F at night and would hover around 32-40 degrees F during the day. It was the wind chill that got you. A calm day in winter was around 25kts of wind. There were actually more days of sunshine in the winter than in the summer. It did snow a fair amount but there was seldom more than 2-6 inches on the ground with drifts in places due to the wind. Was kind of funny standing in hte middle of a blizzard with the sun shining overhead.

Summer months tended to have a lot of foggy days with the highest temp recorded at Adak being 72 degrees F. Average wind speed in the summer was around 15kts.

I do remember once when a Reeves Aleutian Airline DC-9 took off from Adak during a spring williwaw (windstorm). Winds were over 100mph and the DC-9 looked like a helicopter going straight up. I swear it cleared a 1000ft of altitude before it reached the end of the runway.

Chez


don't forget the housing built on rollers so that the "occaisional" earthquake didn't wipe out the entire base...


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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/10/2009 10:35:08 AM   
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don't forget the housing built on rollers so that the "occaisional" earthquake didn't wipe out the entire base...


Earthquakes... felt them nearly everyday. Most were just a "was that a quake?" feeling and others left no doubt. Sometimes swarms of them would hit over several days.

I lived in Kuluk housing near the beach and our 2-story house was built on rollers. The three bedrooms were upstairs and you could really feel the motion there but it was like a gentle sway. Downstairs you seldom felt a quake unless it was a strong one. I had a tallboy dresser in my bedroom with moving handles. There were times I would wake in the middle of the night listening to the handles on that dresser going "tap, tap, tap" and would wonder how long this quake would last and how strong it would be. Quakes in 6 range on the Richter scale were common.

The quakes in Adak were almost exclusively caused by magma movement and had a different character than those caused by the shifting of plates. Magma quakes could be just as strong but they took much longer for the motion to build up and taper off and seldom had any abrupt movement to them. Damage was a lot less than what could be expected from a similar plate quake but it was still unnerving laying there waiting for the 2-3 mintues it took to stop.

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/10/2009 12:16:49 PM   
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Some sailors would not even notice such things.  Of course, we actually spent time on board ships.  

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RE: Important Question to DEVs - 11/10/2009 2:47:11 PM   
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Diego was good duty. In Adak, I guess you could still drink and contemplate the mighty moose. Good times.


Sorry, no moose on Adak, just some cariboo and fox. Both brought in by man. Fishing is great though. Lots of salmon, cod and halibut.

I found Diego Garcia more boring than Adak. Once you had gone to the beach, you had pretty much done everything there was to do there. Swimming in the lagoon wasn't advised due to the presence of Hector the Hammerhead shark. That was the name we gave all the sharks. One civillian worker was killed by the sharks in the lagoon during my stay. He was surf fishing and waded out too far.

Adak was far more picturesque with plenty of hiking, hunting and fishing. Of course, the weather often limited your ability to do any of those.

Chez


Well, I did say "contemplate" the mighty moose. You can do that aywhere.

I thought there was lots to do on DG, but it depended on the era. Pre-1980 it was an armpit. After the RDF ships arrived they dumped billions in there. I was there in 1985. There were lots of pretty women, good welfare & rec services, good clubs, bike races, trips to the plantation (with British permission), sailing across the lagoon, etc. I was never bored.

I do recall the sharks. The XO had a corner in the base newspaper for the largest shark sighting of the week. I remember one 20 ft. tiger shark seen entering the lagoon--but not leaving. One guy fishing off the POL piers took in half of a 100 lb. tuna. Bit clean in two. OTOH, being able to catch 100 lb. fish off of a pier made the anglers want to never go home.

Being the only shallow spawning grounds for 1000 miles did make for some interesting biological sights. And, with the SR-71 still in operation and tanks of its special fuel at the air base, that was pretty cool too. I was there while the Soviets were getting pummeled in Afghanistan, and there were a lot of (rumored) CIA "retrograde" flights coming and going from Pakistan with intel material. When they landed and set up security it was a good idea to be elsewhere.

I don't think I'd ever want to go back, but it was an interesting experience.

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