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RE: Turn 38 - 13/01/1942 - 12/5/2009 2:34:44 PM   
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next turn there will be a sweep and the rest of the Zeros will escort Bettys and Nells on port attack to try and dmage the immense coastal guns here.




I would think to suppress the coastal guns, you would need to be using Ground Attack. As the CD units are treated as LCUs.

Great AAR BTW.



really? if youre right i need to start changing some instructions - really really sure?

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RE: Turn 40 - 15/01/1942 - 12/5/2009 3:06:13 PM   
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SS Gar makes her first appearance off the Hawaiian coast, she is hit 6 times by 3 different ASW forces during the day - welcome to Lahaina!

At Kona its not so easy going, i think Yank has moved all other subs here - its a great day for the S-23, she sinks 2 xAKLs unloading the 15th BF here, and comes to the surface to attack a third, the xAKL fires first causing enough damage for the sub to re-submerge - hopefully forever. SS Nautilus hits another xAKL and the Thresher misses her target -survivors of the 15th BF climb aboard the remaining ships.

44 Zeros sweep the base at 23k feet but do not engage the remaining 8 fighters on CAP at Pearl. 37 more escort 42 Nells, 49 Bettys and 16 Sallys into their port attack - the San Fransisco takes 3 bomb hits, the previously thought sunk BB Nevada takes 19 bomb hits, the BB Pennsylvania takes 14 bomb hits and the also thought sunk BB Maryland takes 18 bomb hits, a Zero, 2 Nells and 2 Bettys dont make it back. Minor port damage occurs and a few casualties are caused.

In revenge 3 B17s strike at Lahaina and the CA Ashigara but miss - 2 are damaged.

I think there is enough damaged aircraft on the ground at Pearl to switch the attack to airfield next turn - the threat the airforce poses here is nil, i just want to cause as much distruption and damage as possible - probably the turn after the ground attacks will start.

Lahaina makes it to level 5 but then goes straight onto 28% of level 6 - i will go to level 6 here and then definitely ship the engineers to Kona and then onto Hilo whicj should be level 3 in 2 turns.

The 51st Naval Guard runs into the garrison at Palmyra that the recon didnt see - the rest of the boats are instructed to unload the 53rd Naval Guards and the Sasebo 1st.

AV support, engineers, base forces and garrisons are almost ready to leave for the new islands in the SoPac, once Palmyra falls the next island to take will be Christmas - in time i want search aircraft on all the front line islands. After Christmas then its onto Fiji with the victorious forces from Pearl.

The mini-KB is just off Midway and the KB itself is just out of Tokyo - some airgroups are flown off to land at Tokyo and start rebuilding.

Phillipines/Formosa/South China Sea/Borneo

Over the last few turns sporadic bombing of supply ships has come out of Manilla to interupt the landing of engineers at Appari, all Oscars in the area are sent here to intercept over Aparri and sweep the base of Manilla.

Determined attacks by the blind 139WH-3s are still trying to reach the TFs occupying the Celebes but they all miss.

A landing at Ternate goes horribly wrong when a small part of an SNLF was sent here to occupy the 'undefended' base - recon gets it wrong again and the small force surrenders as it gets off the boat!

Malaya

The sneaky cruisers head past Singapore and bombard Malacca on their way, minor damage occurs - i suspect this is them retreating up the strait to the Indian Ocean - well see.

China

Another bad day for the IJA - troops inadvertently sent to the base of Sinyang instead of standing just outside the base are shock attacked and suffer a massive 9170 casualties and retreat back to Henkow.

Up North at the dot base of Kaoping 10k Allied troops attack the 130k troops massed there as the IJA prepare to unleash their attacks in Northern China, despite still been in move mode 2634 casualties are inflicted and only 116 Japanese are lost.

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RE: Turn 40 - 15/01/1942 - 12/5/2009 4:39:10 PM   
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In your oppoent's shoes I'd be very tempted at this point to start to send lots of ships to the East Coast or Panama and start to send LOTS of forces to India. The US West Coast can take care of itself. (In your opponent's shoes I would also start to fortify Diego Garcia in a big, Big way. )

In any event, keep up the great AAR! This is lots of fun to read!

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RE: Turn 38 - 13/01/1942 - 12/5/2009 6:15:18 PM   
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Undercovergeek,

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really? if youre right i need to start changing some instructions - really really sure?


I have no idea what is the right answer in AE. But somewhere in the back of my head I think there used to be a game called WitP a long, long time ago, and I think that somewhere in the forums corresponding to that game someone determined that port attacks are the way to go to get rid of CD guns, thus I would have gone for a port attack as well.
Especially, as if I recall correctly in WitP not all units in a stack were attacked by the ground attack missions, but just one, which had a relatively high (the highest ?) strength. Thus, I would go for port attack not ground attack, just like you did/planned to do,but I may be wrong there.

In general, successful port attacks and airfield attacks do produce losses of personnel and guns, not just damaged facilities and fuel/supplydumps. I think that those losses are inflicted on the respective base forces and not randomly opn any unit that's around.

I think a second factor to be considered here is that port attacks destroy supplies and AAA activity as well as CD activity is reduced if supply is scarce. But once again, all of these comments are a) based on heresay and b) may be outdated.

Btw, interesting AAR...

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RE: Turn 40 - 15/01/1942 - 12/5/2009 7:08:28 PM   
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In your oppoent's shoes I'd be very tempted at this point to start to send lots of ships to the East Coast or Panama and start to send LOTS of forces to India. The US West Coast can take care of itself. (In your opponent's shoes I would also start to fortify Diego Garcia in a big, Big way. )

In any event, keep up the great AAR! This is lots of fun to read!


There is no need to send ships to the east coast to move LCUs or planes. Put your LCUs/land units in strategic mode or move mode [can't remember at this time] set them to march to Capetown and off they go.

The only way ships are needed is if you need to move something fast, say 16 to 28 knots or fuel /supplies.

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RE: Turn 40 - 15/01/1942 - 12/5/2009 9:57:32 PM   
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In your oppoent's shoes I'd be very tempted at this point to start to send lots of ships to the East Coast or Panama and start to send LOTS of forces to India. The US West Coast can take care of itself. (In your opponent's shoes I would also start to fortify Diego Garcia in a big, Big way. )

In any event, keep up the great AAR! This is lots of fun to read!


There is no need to send ships to the east coast to move LCUs or planes. Put your LCUs/land units in strategic mode or move mode [can't remember at this time] set them to march to Capetown and off they go.

The only way ships are needed is if you need to move something fast, say 16 to 28 knots or fuel /supplies.


You're right. I wasn't clear with my writing. I was thinking of moving combat ships. Never-the-less, the idea would seem to have a lot of merit in the situation that is occuring in this particular game.

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RE: Turn 38 - 13/01/1942 - 12/6/2009 12:53:43 AM   
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next turn there will be a sweep and the rest of the Zeros will escort Bettys and Nells on port attack to try and dmage the immense coastal guns here.




I would think to suppress the coastal guns, you would need to be using Ground Attack. As the CD units are treated as LCUs.

Great AAR BTW.



really? if youre right i need to start changing some instructions - really really sure?



That has always been my understanding of it. My reasoning being, that the CD units are LCUs. But Hartwig presents some good arguements as well. My thinking would still be that graound attack would be more effective. Although port and airfield attack, I'm sure would still effect some disruption on the CD.



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RE: Turn 38 - 13/01/1942 - 12/6/2009 1:00:21 AM   
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If AE is the same as WitP then as I remember it you want to do port attacks. Ground attacks will target the unit with the highest AV. Airfield attacks will cause damage to any air base units. Port will damage naval base units and possibly CD units. Could have changed but I can't see why they would bother.

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RE: Turn 38 - 13/01/1942 - 12/7/2009 6:06:29 AM   
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How comes invading PH now seems easier than it was with Admiral Laurent? Is that because the new scale makes one or more sides of the island defenceless?

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RE: Turn 38 - 13/01/1942 - 12/7/2009 7:05:07 AM   
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How comes invading PH now seems easier than it was with Admiral Laurent? Is that because the new scale makes one or more sides of the island defenceless?

Because he isn't at PH yet, probably. PH is one-hex base, but I guess there are more islands, that can be used as a staging groung around (I never played WitP).

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RE: Turn 38 - 13/01/1942 - 12/7/2009 8:37:57 AM   
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How comes invading PH now seems easier than it was with Admiral Laurent? Is that because the new scale makes one or more sides of the island defenceless?


not sure whether it is easier, FatR is correct - no action at Pearl so far.

However, there are three important factors that may make have an impact on invasions in AE. So far, my PBEM is just in early January 42, but this is what I seem to see (pre-patch2 observations, and definitely no whining or contribution to AFB/JFB discussions intended):

a) Allied Naval attacks conducted by level bombers are toothless. Whereas in WitP, even the Martins would provide you with a lucky hit every now and then, now they don't hit anything any more. I currently believe that Japan can get away with deeper strikes into the enemy territory than before because the air threat against its SLOC is virtually non-existent. This means, the probability to get your OOB ashore intact is bigger than before.

b) Allied pilot quality is most likely low. The training mission is extremely slow, and -what is worse- pilots don't really seem to pick up a lot of exp by flying combat missions (if any at all). This means that the fighters and bombers at Pearl are probably not in good shape, as indicated by the exchange rates. Whereas in WitP a group tended to improve when used, even if it took losses every now and then, now I have a few groups on the map whose quality deteriorated, because the loss of experienced pilots seems no longer to be compensated by gain of experience of the rest of the gang.

c) Allied troop quality. At the beginning of the game, many units -including the US troops at Pearl- start with rather low exp values. Here, an important question may be whether or not LCUs at Pearl have been using the rest/train command (which can increase exp nicely) intensely or not.

Just my 2cts. Specifically, if anyone believes that naval attack success rate may be greatly improved by doing XXX or pilot experience rockets to the sky when doing YYY, please share your expertise !

Hartwig

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RE: Turn 38 - 13/01/1942 - 12/7/2009 9:11:06 AM   
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thanks for all comments so far.

No action at Pearl yet. Lahaina, Molokai, Kona and shortly Hilo are Japanese - air defenses at Pearl are crushed and there is very little naval interference, the only danger left to the landings are the landings themselves - coastal guns and infantry fire will be the biggest cause of my troubles but as soon as im on shore i should be ok - to minimise this as many bombers as the surrounding airfields can support are preparing for port and ground attacks.

As for Allied bombing - your right - they couldnt hit a cows ass with a banjo

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RE: Turn 38 - 13/01/1942 - 12/7/2009 9:17:59 AM   
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Regarding pilot XP at least, the patch 2 beta definitely seems an improvement. At least at lower skill levels the training order does work more efficiently and each day several pilots will improve.

It is sadly correct that Japanese SLOCs are secure initially (if you can avoid surface engagements) though there are two exceptions IMO. One is the use of the early British torpedo bombers. While their numbers are limited and you need to pre-position an Air HQ for maximum effect, they can do quite a number of IJN shipping. The days where a large AK will shrug off multiple torpedo hits are definitely gone. This is probably not much of a factor near Pearl.

The other is the aggressive use of subs (and spending the PPs needed for removing unsuitable/cautious captains). While US torpedoes do have their problems, subs will have very good success rates when used together with PBYs for scouting and if their turn-around times are low (i.e. if you can control a base in the vicinity where they can rearm and refuel). At Pearl that should be the case.

Regarding ground unit XP, it is my impression that the rest order mainly improves morale while XP can only be gained once prep for the current target hits 100. Some confirmation would be nice though.

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RE: Turn 41 - 16/01/1942 - 12/7/2009 10:34:21 AM   
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A busy day under the waves as the subs collect at Kona and the ASW forces get the hang of their duties -

SS Plunger, Thresher and Trout all miss their targets at Kona, SS Gar takes 7 more hits, and the SS-23 rises to attack an xAK and then submerges again due to damage - no fire is exchanged, but in the afternoon sinks an xAK with a torpedo.

The follow up port attack is cancelled due to bad weather - the only thing in the air was an attack of 3 B17s that all succumb to AA fire and return home damaged.

The 20th and the 9th Inf Regiments sent to Hilo only made 2 miles of progress and seem to be walking across the middle of the island instead of round the road - they have been resent North East and will the descend South East into Hilo.

The bombers at Lahaina are set to Airfield Attack - i want to damage as many planes on the ground as possible and will then switch back to Port.

Palmyra falls to the 51st and 53rd Naval Guards at odds of 5:1 - 2200 prisoners are taken - AV support will be flown in asap to recon Christmas Is.

Phillipines/Formosa/South China Sea/Borneo

The Oscars sweep Manilla but no damage is taken by either side - the Nates go in dribs and drabs and 4 are lost - all the Nates will be rested while the Oscars shut down the new air threat at Manilla.

A combat force breaks off from Manilla and occupies Iba along with the 8th JAAF Inf Btn but no attck occurs, the 8th moves out east to Lingayen.

Unoccupied Kettapang in Borneo falls to the Yokusuka 2nd - in the Celebes one undefended base remains before the Balikpapan Invasion force splits and takes Kendari and Maccassar.

Something weird occurs at Balikpapan - a shock attack is triggered as the forces cross the river but the 700 Assault Value is reduced to 14 and the garrisons AV remains at 17 - i think maybe one element of the forces - the Base Force - got there first and initiated the shock attack - minor casualties on both sides - we'll what happens next turn.

A number of turns ago the 90th regiment was bought and is shipping to Davao, this will be used to clear out islands like Ambon and Ternate in the area, and down through northern New Guinea.

Malaya

The forces around Kuala Lumpur and Timuleh are still maneuvering into position, next turn Force B with the Imp Guards should arrive here and occupy the base leaving only Kuantan and Singapore.

A number of bombers attacks a TF waiting at Singkawang and damages one of the AKs here - LRCAP will be provided by the base - the Oscars here were resting.

China

Next turn the first major battle should occur in the north where 9 Chinese units are just about to be encircled - with the destruction of these forces the path to 2 bases very close to each other in the North will be open and then the IJA can get into position to take these 2

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RE: Turn 38 - 13/01/1942 - 12/7/2009 10:42:46 AM   
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Regarding ground unit XP, it is my impression that the rest order mainly improves morale while XP can only be gained once prep for the current target hits 100. Some confirmation would be nice though.



Confirmed - by own experience and also it was stated in another thread.

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RE: Turn 38 - 13/01/1942 - 12/7/2009 11:12:29 AM   
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Regarding pilot XP at least, the patch 2 beta definitely seems an improvement. At least at lower skill levels the training order does work more efficiently and each day several pilots will improve.

It is sadly correct that Japanese SLOCs are secure initially (if you can avoid surface engagements) though there are two exceptions IMO. One is the use of the early British torpedo bombers. While their numbers are limited and you need to pre-position an Air HQ for maximum effect, they can do quite a number of IJN shipping. The days where a large AK will shrug off multiple torpedo hits are definitely gone. This is probably not much of a factor near Pearl.

The other is the aggressive use of subs (and spending the PPs needed for removing unsuitable/cautious captains). While US torpedoes do have their problems, subs will have very good success rates when used together with PBYs for scouting and if their turn-around times are low (i.e. if you can control a base in the vicinity where they can rearm and refuel). At Pearl that should be the case.

Regarding ground unit XP, it is my impression that the rest order mainly improves morale while XP can only be gained once prep for the current target hits 100. Some confirmation would be nice though.


The key factor is time in WitP. The Allied player needs time to prepare defenses and train up his pilots and LCUs. If a Japanese player invades early enough - and January 1942 is a prime time slot for invasion - the Allied player will not have enough time to prepare defenses and train pilots and troops. My estimation at this point is that the only two Allied regions where an early Japanese invasion won't work well are the US West Coast and the Soviet Far East. Otherwise, a well-planned, coordinated and massive attack such as is going on in this game should also be successful in Oz or India.

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RE: Turn 41 - 16/01/1942 - 12/7/2009 5:33:21 PM   
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The 20th and the 9th Inf Regiments sent to Hilo only made 2 miles of progress and seem to be walking across the middle of the island instead of round the road - they have been resent North East and will the descend South East into Hilo.

I believe that Leaders with high "Land Skill" Numbers will maximize marching speed.

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RE: Turn 42 - 17/01/1942 - 12/7/2009 5:35:21 PM   
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Yank appears to have switched all sub warfare back to Lahaina after he saw the TKs unloading here last turn. The S-34 and SS Nautilus turn up, in the morning the S-34 is found and hit twice, the Nautilus escapes, and then misses with its own attack on an unloading TK, in the afternoon she hits the same TK, the fuel goes up and the tanker goes down.

Kona goes up to a level 3 airfield and 12% into 4 - 31 Sallys land here to assist in the bombing of Pearl.

The 9th and 20th infantry regiments make up 16 miles in one day using the roads - i will try Caliban's suggestion elsewhere about leaders with good land skill, these 2 regiments along with the III/4th inf btn should arrive in Hilo in 2 turns where i expect only a base force and a CD unit - recon shows only 2 units.

The mini-KB is halfway between Midway and Pearl - im unsure what her role is yet - im not throwing Vals and Kates into the storm of AA again - i may just hang around and try and intercept any sneaky Allied attempts to reinforce Pearl.

30 Zeros escort 77 Nells and Bettys and 19 Sallys on airfield attack - 2 Allied fighter are lost trying to intercept and 44 runway hits and 17 airbase hits are inflicted at Pearl - its a heavy price - 5 bombers are destroyed and 45 damaged - i will run the same attack next turn - the damage sounds high but back at the bases there arent this many in repairs.

37 Zeros sweep Pearl and destroy 2 more fighters for no loss, in reply 1 fighter escorts 4 B17s to Lahaina to attack BB Fuso, all 4 bombers return home damaged - the fighter is destroyed by CAP.

Tfs criss cross the SoPac where engineer units, garrisons, AV support units and construction battallions are sent to the recently captured islands to be built, fortressed and guarded.

At Suva the graceful lines of the Queen Elizabeth glide out of the harbour - she is spotted by the I-10 who fires 6 torpedoes, 1 hits and the xAK limps off - the I-10 moves off in her direction for another shot.

Phillipines/Formosa/South China Sea/Borneo

43 Oscars sweep Manilla at 21k feet - 1 is destroyed but 4 Allied fighters are also destroyed - the tide has turned again in the IJA's favour.

At Appari Allied bombers attack an unload xAK supplying the AV support troops here - 9 Oscars on CAP here manage to destroy 1 more fighter for no loss - 5:1 over the day, much better than before.

The tireless but blind 139WH-3s are at it again off the coast of Balikpapan, 4 attack the Haruna and Kongo - 4 return home on fire.

This time, with everyone across the river Balikpapan falls, at 25:1 the Base Forces surrender and the troops elect to retreat to Benjarsamin - at least 12 hexes of jungle - they wont be seen again! Theres 85k tonnes of fuel, the oil fields are undamaged and there is 22k tonnes of it in stock - Samah sends her big oilers to collect the oil and transport TFs set off to move the troops here to Maccassar and Kendari where the last undefended base on the Celebes falls at Kolaka.

Once the Celebes have fallen and Borneo is in the hands of the IJA, the 3 main offensive units here - 124th, 65th and Guards will be sent to north of Palembang to start offensives here with engineers and some troops taken from Malaya - im traditionally a division over here so i will borrow a regiment or two and start the Sumatra campaign.

China

Just maneuvering - the big attack is not ready yet - the 9 units are not fully encircled.

Malaya

Again just maneuvering, Timoleh is almost reached and Kuala Lumpur strengthened.

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RE: Turn 43 - 18/01/1942 - 12/8/2009 4:26:24 PM   
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SS Nautilus tries again to sink a TK at Lahaina but misses, switches focus to an AKE recently converted at Tokyo and literally just arrived at Lahaina, and misses again. The S-28 joins in and sinks one of the just arrived AKEs , the Nautilus tries again in the afternoon but misses again - she is now short 12 torpedoes, as a consequence all ASW is routed to Lahaina - the shipping here is much more important than a few AKs at Kona. The cruisers at Lahaina find Nautilus in the afternoon but cant carry out an attack.

The 20th, 9th and III/4th Inf Btn reach the north of the island and now march south towards Hilo - they will be there in 2 turns.

Lahaina reaches level 6 for the airfield and construction out of the other side is only 2% - expansion is halted, transports are on their way to collect the engineers to speed up Kona and start on the soon-to-be-Japanese Hilo.

All transport ships from the area: Johnston Is, Wake, Midway are being routed to Lahaina in preparation of collecting the 16th Div and the 33rd Div for the invasion of Pearl.

74 Zeros escort 87 bombers on an airfield attack at Pearl - 4 are destroyed and 40 are damaged - but again this is not whats reflected on the ground. 3 Fighters on CAP are destroyed and 3 bombers on the ground are destroyed - 53 runway hits occur. 29 Zeros then sweep Pearl and catch another fighter.

In the afternoon 15 bombers including 10 SBD-3 Dauntless attack shipping at Lahaina, the escort either forgets to turn up or there isnt one available anymore - 5 bombers are destroyed and 4 damaged by the 9 Zero CAP.

At French Frigate Shoals the mini KB bumps into an allied TF of 2 AVs heading north west towards Midway, i dont know what theyre doing here - 25 Vals across 2 attempts attack the AV Curtiss and the AV Tangier - all miss for the loss of 1 Val. I imagine this has taken Yank more by surprise than me as i suspect he thought there was no flatops in the area.

Phillipines/Formosa/South China Sea/Borneo

Speaking of surprises and flat tops at least one Allied CV appears off the south of the Celebes. Fortunately all thats here are the 2 TFs that have been loading and unloading small SNLFs to capture the undefended Celebes bases, one at Palopo and one at Kolaka - all transports succumb to the SBD-3s and sink, fortunately just supplies are lost - the only Japanese LSD is sunk however. Needless to say the Blindfolded Blind Bombers of Manado are put on full alert - lets see what the Myopic legion can do to the CV TF off their coast.

Undefended Palopo falls - the way is clear to attack Maccassar and Kendari - Maccassar first then Kendari to cause the surrender of as many troops as possible. The 124th will go to Maccassar, the 65th and Guards to Kendari, one of these will stay off shore in reserve - im not sure 2 brigades will be needed here, bases forces and engineers are also in the mix. This leaves Balikpapan without a garrison other than AV Support and a base force - the 66th Inf Reg is purchased from Canton in the North, this is been shipped to Balikpapan immediately, a small SNLF will eventually do the job here so the 66th can be freed to help out in Sumatra.

The airwar over Manilla fairs much better - 44 Oscars sweep the base destroying 3 fighters for no loss. 4 Hudsons are damaged attempting to bomb Aparri supply ships.

China

Still maneuvering

Malaya

During the night the mini evil cruiser force with the Dragon and Durban bombard Malacca again but hardly scratch the 18th Division here - a sub or 2 will be sent here.

Ground forces still doing their thing for a turn or two.

Next turn

Things i expect to happen or want to happen next turn:
- a hard port attack at Pearl, destroying supplies and disrupting forces.
- the mini KB to sink the 2 AVs off F.F Shoals
- the last of the Allied fighers to be wiped out at Pearl
- Allied CV TF to take at least 3 bombs from the massed Nells at Manado
- A landing of an SNLF at Legaspi to kick off the Southern Luzon take over
- The Imp Guards/Force B to arrive at Timuleh in Malaya
- the encirclement of the 9 units in Northern China

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RE: Turn 43 - 18/01/1942 - 12/8/2009 5:10:59 PM   
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RE: Turn 43 - 18/01/1942 - 12/8/2009 5:24:23 PM   
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lol - no worries - soon my friend, soon

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RE: Turn 44 - 19/01/1942 - 12/9/2009 6:23:34 PM   
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Game is patched to patch 2

At Lahaina S-28 rises to engage an xAK on the surface, the transporter takes 4 hits the sub takes 5 and submerges due to damage.

SS Trout sinks an empty xAKL just arrived to start shipping airfield engineers to Kona.

SS Nautilus is found twice and takes 8 hits.

The 3 Inf Regiments from Kona march 30 miles towards to Hilo and should arrive next turn to attack the base.

A significant amount of TFs are created at Lahaina to pick up all the engineers and 1 base force to ship to Kona to throw into the airfield expansion project here - its level 3 and 56% now - i will raise it to 5 and then move these engineers to Hilo to perform the same task.

Before the patch Lahaina had 9 air units and was in the red for administration now it has plenty more room on the field - 3 more Sally units are brought on - there are now 205 bombers at Lahaina and 90 fighters at Kona - there are 6 fighters and 6 bombers at Pearl to the best of my knowledge.

43 Zeros escort 85 bombers to Pearl on port attack - 2 enemy fighters are destroyed, the Zeros are untouched and 3 bombers are destroyed and 49 damaged - again not a true reflection of actual damage. BBs Pennsylvania and Nevada are bombed again and left burning with heavy damage and the San Fransisco takes 2 bomb hits. The port takes minor damage and a few casualties are inflicted. 67 Zeros then sweep the island and noone attempts to oppose the air superiority of the IJA airforce here.

9 Zeros then intercept 5 unescorted SBDs attacking the BB Nagato, 3 are destroyed the rest return home still with their bombs - no zeros are damaged.

The KB never sees the 2 AVs again.

At Bikini a passing TF with the Maizuru 1st SNLF aboard is attacked by SS Pollack, 1 of the 3 xAKs is sunk.

Phillipines/Formosa/South China Sea/Borneo

Sub activity picks up at Balikpapan now its in IJA hands, the SS Saury misses an xAK and then finds and sinks an empty xAKL just arrived in the harbour to pick up the 124th for the Maccassar attack.

Just short of Balikpapan a large transport TF is caught by the allied CV heading in the completely opposite direction i expected, she was heading east at the end of last turn but has doubled back past the Celebes and seems to be heading now for Soerbaja. Local subs are sent to this area and the BBs and CAs at Balikpapan are moved north beyond the range of the CVs bombers. The first wave hits and sinks 2 xAKLs and further damages 2 more AKs, in the afternoon the CA Chokai is hit and damaged - she is sound enough to return to Hong Kong for repairs and sets off - just fire and engine damage. I dont have a big enough airbase to support the Nells to hit the CV but they are moved further west from Manado in case they come around again.

The SNLF unloads at Legaspi and will take the undefended base next turn.

46 Oscars sweep Manilla, 2 are lost for 1 Allied fighter, recon shows Manilla to be now out of fighters, as a consequence 3 unescorted Hudsons hit Aparri and 2 are destroyed by the Oscar CAP.

The mini evil cruiser force bombards Singkawang presumably on its way back to Soerbaja, i will try and catch them as they pass the south of Borneo and maneuver subs across their path.

Malaya & Burma

Force B and the Imp Guards are stood 1 mile outside Timuleh, they will enter the base next turn - 3 units are attempting to exit the base.

At Malacca 8 defeated and disrupted units enter the base again to face the 18th Div - a deliberate attack is ordered to push them back towards Timuleh.

For 7 turns now transports have refused to take the 1st raiders to Rangoon, even though recon shows the base as empty - a sweep of Oscars is ordered to clear up any confusion about what is or isnt at the base.

China

2 deliberate attacks clear the lines near the almost encircled units - the final piece of the encirclement is 6 miles away from its destination - fingers crossed for next turn

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RE: Turn 45 - 20/01/1942 - 12/11/2009 10:55:45 AM   
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SS Cuttlefish has 2 goes at an xAK at Lahaina, misses with the first and comes to the surface for the second, damage from the ship's gun forces her to submerge again.

SS Tautog also tries twice and misses with both attempts.

And a Hawaiian debut for SS Tuna - she is hit twice by the cruiser task force.

The 9th, 20th and III/4th Inf Btn arrive in Hilo and a shock attack is ordered - i want this over with as soon as possible.

Engineers have started unloading at Kona to work on the airfield - there seem to be no Allied subs here anymore.

The 1st Air Fleet HQ leaves Hiroshima for Hawaii to provide extra ordanance and AV Support, the 23rd Air Flotilla HQ is also on its way from Kwajelein.

At Lahaina and Hilo the Nells and Bettys are switched to port attack and the Sallys switch to ground attack - i want to see what happens in a ground attack - if there is a modicum of success the Pearl Invasion fleet will leave Midway - it would arrive in Pearl in about 6 turns leaving time for a fair amount of bombing and disruption.

32 Zeros sweep Pearl and in a blaze of glory the 32 return home undamaged leaving 7 destroyed fighters behind them.

38 Zeros then escort 106 bombers on port attack - 4 are destroyed and 76 damaged, again this is a highly exagerrated damage figure - almost all bombers are ready to go again next turn - 14 port hits are inflicted and the battleships here take a huge pounding again, AMc Cockatoo is sunk in the harbour.

The mini-KB comes within range next turn - Vals and Kates are on naval attack - im not going over the island with these bombers.

In defiance 4 SBDs and 1 escort fighter attack the BB Nagato at Lahaina - all aircraft are destroyed.

Phillipines/Formosa/South China Sea/Borneo

The injured Chokai leaves Balikpapan to refuel at Tarakan and go to Hong Kong for repairs, the SS O21 spots her but misses with her salvo.

32 Oscars arrive in Balikpapan and are put on LRCAP to cover the 5 ship TF carrying the 124th to Maccassar just in case the CV/CVs i can see at Soerbaja can reach them at full stretch as they round the Celebes. The 65th is loaded and sent the other way round the Celebes to Manado, it will rendevous with Kongo/Haruna and wait for the Guards Brigade, a SNLF, some engineers, the 5th Air HQ and a base force before setting off for Kendari.

The sweeps go in again at Manilla, 2 Allied fighters are lost for 1 Oscar - recon shows 1 fighter left at Manilla.

Undefended Legaspi falls, the SNLF heads north to Naga. The 90th regiment is rounding Mindanao to land at Ternate and start taking the north of New Guinea. Small SNLFs at Babeldaob are reunited and sent out as garrisons to Baker, Canton, Palmyra, Tarawa, Mili, Jaluit, Maleolap, Wotje and Kwajalein.

There are 180 enginners at Miri who have only made a 4% jump towards a size 3 port in 2 weeks - they are boarded back on their transports and will round Borneo to Balikpapan to increase the airfield here.

Malaya & Burma

Force B and the Imperial Guards FINALLY arrive in Timuleh, a deliberate attack is ordered on the 3 units actually exiting the base - when this falls only Kuantan remains - there are 4 pockets of resistance in Malaya other than Singapore itself - 8 units of heavily damaged, heavily disrupted troops who are sat in Malacca at the moment, 2 blocks of 3 units between Kuantan and Kuala Lumpur and 9 units at Kuantan itself - i have plenty of troops in the field to clear this up and then the march on Singapore.

The 8 units are attacked at Malacca again - 682 casualties are caused, for 7 and they retreat back towards Kuantan

A sweep of Rangoon confirms some weird details - there is 17 port damage and 2 airfield damage, there are aircraft here not doing anything, but no troops - ill try a para drop again.

China

The encircling force is 1 mile out from completing the circle! Other than that maneuvering is occuring and troops are on the move - pics will follow this post

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RE: Turn 46 - 21/01/1942 - 12/11/2009 4:33:34 PM   
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SS Tautog eventually hits the target and sinks a big TK just finishing unloading at Lahaina.

Almost all the engineers unload at Kona, the airfield hits level 4 and goes 12% towards the max. 5.

Hilo is captured without trouble, the port is 27% towards level 3 and the airfield is 74% towards level 2 - the III/4th Inf Btn will stay on garrison duties, and the 9th and 20th return to Kona, supplies are rerouted from Kona to Hilo.

Weather completely shuts down the airfields at Lahaina and Kona, a small bombing force from Pearl is destroyed without loss.

The last of the Sallys reach Johnston Is.

Phillipines/Formosa/South China Sea/Borneo

13 Oscars sweep Manilla, honours even as 2 fighters on both sides are lost - recon is obviously wrong in this area, and i found one of the groups sweeping at 6k feet and not 20k feet - up he goes next turn.

The 124th embarks for Makassar keeping a wary eye to starboard as they pass Soerbaja - a sub here confirms that more than one CV is in the area.

Placed here to catch the CVs the I-158 sinks the TK Augistina coming into Soerbaja.

Between Tarakan and Manado the SS Permit catches the 5th Air HQ and damages one of their transports - 2 continue to Manado, one returns to Tarakan to swap out for a new one.

Iba is eventually retaken by the Allies - the 4th Marine Regiment had been here alone for days.

Malaya & Burma

Temuloh falls - the defenders suffer from adjustments to morale, supply, leadership, experience and preparation and lose 1143 casualties to the IJAs 145. Kuantan remains - troops are being moved around to counter the remaining troops milling around mid peninsular.

The remaining Malacca defenders are decimated and these also retreat towards Kuantan.

I have no idea whats happening at Rangoon - port damage is upto 72, the sweep confirms no troops present and no aircraft but the transports will not para drop into the area - im reconning the next base west to see if this is empty - if it is i will drop here and march to Rangoon.

China

Undefended Wenchow falls to the IJA

My force in Chuhsien waiting for further reinforcements is attacked by the allies at the base - the Allies come out at 1:4 and suffer nearly 3000 casualties to the IJAs 180 - the attack will be returned in kind next turn.

The encirclement is complete - the deliberate attack is ordered.

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RE: Turn 46 - 21/01/1942 - 12/12/2009 3:05:31 AM   
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How many subs have you hit in Hawaii ? Seem to be a lot more sub hits being generated then other games.

Is he getting supplies into Hawaii ?

Any pictures..

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RE: Turn 47 - 22/01/1942 - 12/14/2009 10:35:29 AM   
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Pictures will follow this post....... sorry for delay

Pacific

A turn of duels between transports and subs at Hawaii :-

SS Dolphin shoots it out with an xAK at Lahaina, 7 hits to 1 in favour of the sub but she submerges due to damage.

SS Thresher and an xAK exchange fire - 4 hits on the transport and 3 on the sub - she submerges due to damage.

SS Plunger takes 8 torpedoes to dispatch an xAK - 7 miss, 1 hits, then exchanges fire with another xAK, the transport takes 10 hits and a torpedo, the sub takes 7 hits from the deck gun and retires with the damage.

The previously reported sunk SS Tuna takes 5 hits from DD Kuretake before launching 5 torpedoes at an xAK - she misses.

A company of AV support loads at Johnston Is to top up the support at Lahaina.

Weather shuts the airfields down again - well, mine it does, Pearl is still open and 5 bombers with a single fighter escort attack ships at Lahaina - 4 bombers are damaged, 1 destroyed, and the escort goes down.

All the remaining BBs and CLs/CAs and DDs are grouped into a 25 ship bombardment TF and will bombard Pearl next turn - i need to cause as much disruption and damage as possible and dont know when the weather will clear.

Phillipines/Formosa/South China Sea/Borneo

SS Permit attacks a passing oil tanker heading to Takao with 1250 tonnes of oil on board - she sinks immediately, the covering ASW force find the sub but cant arrange an attack on time.

Empty xAKs and AKs are heading to Balikpapan to transprt the Guards to act as reserve at Kendari, the 65th has rendevouzed with the Kongo and Haruna and another cruiser task force and is heading towards Manado to pick up the support troops for the landing.

The 124th should land at Makassar next turn, the CVs are still at Soerbaja and there is a sub at either end of the port entrance.

The 91st Naval Guards land at Sampit and start to unload.

16 Oscars sweep Manilla destroying one fighter for no loss.

Malaya & Burma

Post Temuloh troops are been reassigned and moved - the 5th Div has left the 18th Div on its own at Malacca and should join Force B and the Imp Guards before moving on Kuantan as the final allied base before Singapore is attacked.

At Moulemein the transports will still not take the paras to either Rangoon or the base immediately west of there. The base to the north west of Rangoon is reconned and a landing will be attempted there instead

China

After the disastrous Allied attack at Chuhsien the IJA counter attack and get odds of 1:1 destroying the forts and causing 450 casualties - a shock attack is ordered next turn.

With the encirclement complete at Kaoping just one half of the IJA steamroller attacks here with an AV of 4500, the Allies dont stand a chance and all the units surrender - the two bases south west of here will be completely encircled next - this has already begun from the South and should lead to the capture of 21 units if successful.

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RE: Turn 46 - 21/01/1942 - 12/14/2009 10:51:24 AM   
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Pearl - the Mini KB is west of Pearl, the TFs at Lahaina are empty AKs waiting to load the 16th Div and the 33rd Div, and the bombardment fleet readying for Pearl.






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RE: Turn 46 - 21/01/1942 - 12/14/2009 10:55:44 AM   
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Undercovergeek,

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ORIGINAL: undercovergeek

All the remaining BBs and CLs/CAs and DDs are grouped into a 25 ship bombardment TF and will bombard Pearl next turn - i need to cause as much disruption and damage as possible and dont know when the weather will clear.


ehm... I probably missed something, but are you sure this is a good idea ? If the Oahu (sp?) defenses are still working, this could be... painful. Based on WitP experience with bombarding Singapore with BB TFs, which seems to have a less impressive set of CD guns, those guns are definitely able to deal serious damage to BBs. Maybe in AE it is different and maybe you did suppress those guns effectively, so I don't know and may be all wrong - but I have to admit that I am a bit... concerned.

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RE: Turn 46 - 21/01/1942 - 12/14/2009 10:59:37 AM   
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Not the busiest turn to demostrate it - but a glance at the shipping permanantely surrounding the HI delivery resources and fuel to Honshu:-






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RE: Turn 46 - 21/01/1942 - 12/14/2009 11:01:26 AM   
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Undercovergeek,

quote:

ORIGINAL: undercovergeek

All the remaining BBs and CLs/CAs and DDs are grouped into a 25 ship bombardment TF and will bombard Pearl next turn - i need to cause as much disruption and damage as possible and dont know when the weather will clear.


ehm... I probably missed something, but are you sure this is a good idea ? If the Oahu (sp?) defenses are still working, this could be... painful. Based on WitP experience with bombarding Singapore with BB TFs, which seems to have a less impressive set of CD guns, those guns are definitely able to deal serious damage to BBs. Maybe in AE it is different and maybe you did suppress those guns effectively, so I don't know and may be all wrong - but I have to admit that I am a bit... concerned.

Hartwig


im about to find out in about 30 mins - i have got the turn, im just uploading some pics - gulp!

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