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How do I desensitize myself to violence and human suffe... - 6/16/2009 10:29:51 PM   
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I have a problem, I don't like violence. I feel sick when I hear about personal accounts of violence, also I feel bad when I kill dangerous animals like wasps.
About a week ago, I saw a magpie fledgeling on a pavement. Later when I was going the same way it turned out that it was driven over by a car near the other side of a street. I felt horribly sad for a few days after that and I still feel sad when I think about it.

Also, I feel sad and pissed off when I see people near me suffering.

What can I do about it?
I tried playing violent computer games and watching violent movies and it didn't work.

Any ideas?

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/16/2009 10:39:11 PM   
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Have you been drinking, mate?

Just on the off chance you haven't, though, not liking violence is not a problem. It's liking violence that's a problem.




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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/16/2009 10:53:26 PM   
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Having spent 30+ years in the hospital environment both as a army medic and as a civilian worker I have seen the real violence or rather the result of it. Human suffering is something we all have to live with.
I am now old (68) and I have a volunteer job at the local animal shelter where we try to save every animal that comes through the door. We can't but our mission is to try. I don't know your age or what you do but it might help if you got into volunteer work such as I have it might help. Violence and its aftermath is something we never get used to we just have to learn to accept it and do what we can to help.
I work with cats some of which have been through more hell than we humans can even think of and it is a great feeling when one of these littl3e guys coms out of his cage any lays in your lap and purrs. We can't save them all but we can sure as hell try. You might try something like this also.

Madgamer

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 12:26:18 AM   
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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 12:32:13 AM   
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I think you got the wrong thread, SS Hauptsturmfuhrer.

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 12:41:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greybriar

I think you got the wrong thread, SS Hauptsturmfuhrer.


Okay I deleted it. Gotta love the forum spirit here.

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 12:46:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Perturabo

I have a problem, I don't like violence. I feel sick when I hear about personal accounts of violence, also I feel bad when I kill dangerous animals like wasps.
About a week ago, I saw a magpie fledgeling on a pavement. Later when I was going the same way it turned out that it was driven over by a car near the other side of a street. I felt horribly sad for a few days after that and I still feel sad when I think about it.

Also, I feel sad and pissed off when I see people near me suffering.

What can I do about it?
I tried playing violent computer games and watching violent movies and it didn't work.

Any ideas?


Pertuabo,

You're sounding a little like Vincent van Gogh.

Two quick points...

Depression is nothing to be ashamed of

and

Pharmaceuticals can turn your blues around, PDQ.

If you don't feel up to seeing an MD, let those to whom you're closest know what's going on.

You owe it to them and to yourself.







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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 12:47:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Perturabo

I have a problem, I don't like violence. I feel sick when I hear about personal accounts of violence, also I feel bad when I kill dangerous animals like wasps.
About a week ago, I saw a magpie fledgeling on a pavement. Later when I was going the same way it turned out that it was driven over by a car near the other side of a street. I felt horribly sad for a few days after that and I still feel sad when I think about it.

Also, I feel sad and pissed off when I see people near me suffering.

What can I do about it?
I tried playing violent computer games and watching violent movies and it didn't work.

Any ideas?

If you are being honest and this isn't some kind of joke post, then it's sounds like you are suffering from depression. If so, that's very serious and you need to see a doctor. No one on this forum is qualified to help you.

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 1:35:53 AM   
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Violence isn't a good thing, violence isn't a bad thing-it's just a thing. Sometimes it is necessary for good people to do violence.
Rather than seeing a "shrink", perhaps you could just search for some historical Polish Knight hero that slew the enemies of the good people by the hundreds. Wouldn't you want to be there with him? Surely you wouldn't consider him evil because he killed. What would be even better would be to look into hunting. To kill a big deer is something special. You should clean it yourself (gutting, skinning. Professional butchering is OK for the meat packaging. Enjoy the meat that was put on this earth for you to enjoy. IMO, hunting helps men to appreciate and respect life more-which makes you more valuable to all those around you.

If you have problems killing an insect, you need to re-analyze things.
Good Luck.



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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 2:07:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hertston

Have you been drinking, mate?

Just on the off chance you haven't, though, not liking violence is not a problem. It's liking violence that's a problem.

Well, it's apparently not a normal reaction, because everyone else seems to be desensitized.
Though, it kinda sucks.

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ORIGINAL: madgamer

I am now old (68) and I have a volunteer job at the local animal shelter where we try to save every animal that comes through the door. We can't but our mission is to try. I don't know your age or what you do but it might help if you got into volunteer work such as I have it might help. Violence and its aftermath is something we never get used to we just have to learn to accept it and do what we can to help.
I work with cats some of which have been through more hell than we humans can even think of and it is a great feeling when one of these littl3e guys coms out of his cage any lays in your lap and purrs. We can't save them all but we can sure as hell try. You might try something like this also.

Madgamer

Wow, how are you enduring this?

Anyway, it's an interesting idea. Maybe one day when I'll have some more free time, I'll try find out if it's there an organization that helps birds. I love birds, especially the Raven-likes


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ORIGINAL: SS Hauptsturmfuhrer

I don't get all this uproar about violence in games and movies.

Well, me too. Especially that the terrible mechanism of desensitisation to violence doesn't even allow to kill a wasp without feeling horrible.

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ORIGINAL: SS Hauptsturmfuhrer

So I say no to all this politically correct, anti-gaming close-mindedness which is trying to put restrictions in a form of art. The evil politicians like in Germany are just old foggies who hate games and entertainment and want to force everyone to only do lawn bowling and beer drinking for 'fun'.

A true patriot

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ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro

Violence isn't a good thing, violence isn't a bad thing-it's just a thing. Sometimes it is necessary for good people to do violence.
Rather than seeing a "shrink", perhaps you could just search for some historical Polish Knight hero that slew the enemies of the good people by the hundreds. Wouldn't you want to be there with him? Surely you wouldn't consider him evil because he killed.

Well, the problem is that using violence for a good cause is almost an extinct thing nowadays. Now it's used mostly by criminals, at least in my country.

For example such a hero is in completely different situation - he has his pagan warrior traditions from old days, he has the Church telling him what is right and what is wrong, he has his brothers in arms that would fight beside him.

It's very different, now it's individual people versus well organised groups of violent people that have different goals.

Though, it's very probable that the heroic knight wasn't like normal people at all, but like a stadium hooligan.

Then it would be impossible to search companions at arms among normal people and they could be found only in already existing violent groups.

For example, it's possible to join a gang or a hooling group, but starting a citizen militia that would cooperate with police would be almost impossible, because thinking that something can be changed is considered insane.

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ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro

What would be even better would be to look into hunting. To kill a big deer is something special. You should clean it yourself (gutting, skinning. Professional butchering is OK for the meat packaging. Enjoy the meat that was put on this earth for you to enjoy. IMO, hunting helps men to appreciate and respect life more-which makes you more valuable to all those around you.

Hmmm...
Hunting sounds interesting, but despite being a fan of eating various animal parts, gutting and skinning sounds very unappealing to me.

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ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro

If you have problems killing an insect, you need to re-analyze things.

Well, I don't know. It stops one from needless killing. Some people kill spiders, etc. just because they don't like how it looks.

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ORIGINAL: Dave Briggs

If you are being honest and this isn't some kind of joke post, then it's sounds like you are suffering from depression. If so, that's very serious and you need to see a doctor. No one on this forum is qualified to help you.

Hmm...
Isn't depression more about being numb than about feeling negative feelings when something negative happens?

BTW. I meant mostly violence against innocent people - war, rapes, murders, muggings beatings, etc. not violence against terrorists, bandits, etc.

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ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl

Pertuabo,

You're sounding a little like Vincent van Gogh.

Two quick points...

Depression is nothing to be ashamed of

and

Pharmaceuticals can turn your blues around, PDQ.

Well, I'm not very eager to take any psychoactive drugs. They have nasty side effects like liver damage and obesity. And then there's a question of how they affect perception - they can make one spend money like crazy, go on a school rampage, attempt suicide, etc.
At least I know that the first and the last is true I know it from people who were affected and it was confirmed by their doctor as caused by "medicines".

One thing that I find really depressing, is loneliness - a sense that one is alone. Not a part of greater group of people who can work together on realising their group will, but one is just a single isolated island and somehow it's impossible to come together.

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 4:22:17 AM   
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I suggest Cannabis! You will get a new outlook on life.

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 4:30:42 AM   
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Good Grief.


"Oh the poor birds and bees. I cannot bear it any longer"


Some of my best friends are dead people. I've picked up pieces of people I know out of a potato field and dropped them in garbage bags. It's called "life" and part of life is death. People have dealt with it for more than a million years.

Violence is one way we keep ourselves from getting killed. It's a good thing when we kill something and eat it, or kill aomething or someone to keep it from killing you. Senseless violence is another thing altogether. Normal people do not kill things for fun, or because their religion tells them to. And normal people don't sit around and feel guilty because they're alive and other things aren't.

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 5:13:03 AM   
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Given his previous thread about his "beloved gaming culture", I think this IS a joke thread...

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 6:44:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Given his previous thread about his "beloved gaming culture", I think this IS a joke thread...

That's what I was hoping. Strange world though-you never know...

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 8:57:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Doggie

Good Grief.


"Oh the poor birds and bees. I cannot bear it any longer"


Some of my best friends are dead people. I've picked up pieces of people I know out of a potato field and dropped them in garbage bags. Golly, what kind of business are you and your friends in? You're not going on my Facebook friends list and not because I don't like you. It's called "life" and part of life is death. People have dealt with it for more than a million years.

Violence is one way we keep ourselves from getting killed. It's a good thing when we kill something and eat it, or kill aomething or someone to keep it from killing you. Senseless violence is another thing altogether. Normal people do not kill things for fun, or because their religion tells them to. And normal people don't sit around and feel guilty because they're alive and other things aren't. That's right but you forgot to mention that you can get a wonderful buzz from killing the hell out of badguys or bad things. I know a guy who claims he blasted a raven with a shotgun after several days of it stealing his lunch. The only tears for that bird came from laughter and joy. I'm sure even Perturbo would have been happy about that killing.


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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 9:04:09 AM   
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Poor raven!!
Ha also had the right to have lunch!!

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 9:11:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arsan


Poor raven!!
Ha also had the right to have lunch!!



Ya once or twice is cool, but he was stealing the poor fellow's lunch everyday and leaving him hungry.

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 9:15:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Given his previous thread about his "beloved gaming culture", I think this IS a joke thread...

Ah, because Gamers are desensitised to violence, yes? Get real, dude, watching red pixels doesn't do such thing. *click*

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 9:20:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SS Hauptsturmfuhrer


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Poor raven!!
Ha also had the right to have lunch!!



Ya once or twice is cool, but he was stealing the poor fellow's lunch everyday and leaving him hungry.


Better share than shoot!
The poor hungry bird just wanted some scraps...

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 9:25:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arsan


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ORIGINAL: SS Hauptsturmfuhrer


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ORIGINAL: Arsan


Poor raven!!
Ha also had the right to have lunch!!



Ya once or twice is cool, but he was stealing the poor fellow's lunch everyday and leaving him hungry.


Better share than shoot!
The poor hungry bird just wanted some scraps...



The dude didn't even ask! Just takes everything!

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 9:40:58 AM   
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I guess, evolution says that stealing people's lunch isn't a viable survival strategy. It's still kinda sad, though.

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ORIGINAL: Doggie

Violence is one way we keep ourselves from getting killed. It's a good thing when we kill something and eat it, or kill aomething or someone to keep it from killing you. Senseless violence is another thing altogether. Normal people do not kill things for fun, or because their religion tells them to. And normal people don't sit around and feel guilty because they're alive and other things aren't.

So, normal people have no emotional reaction to death?

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ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro

Violence isn't a good thing, violence isn't a bad thing-it's just a thing. Sometimes it is necessary for good people to do violence.
Rather than seeing a "shrink", perhaps you could just search for some historical Polish Knight hero that slew the enemies of the good people by the hundreds. Wouldn't you want to be there with him? Surely you wouldn't consider him evil because he killed.

Actually, I would consider him "evil", because he was a part of an oppressive religious regime. Hell, even the 3rd May constitution had a death penalty for leaving Catholic Church.

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 9:50:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Perturabo
I guess, evolution says that stealing people's lunch isn't a viable survival strategy. It's still kinda sad, though.


No, the problem is when you steal lunch several consecutive days to a guy that have access to firearms and don't like birds.
In other cases its a perfectly viable way of life.

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 12:13:18 PM   
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This forum is getting exceedingly creepy..........




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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 12:17:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arsan


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ORIGINAL: Perturabo
I guess, evolution says that stealing people's lunch isn't a viable survival strategy. It's still kinda sad, though.


No, the problem is when you steal lunch several consecutive days to a guy that have access to firearms and don't like birds.
In other cases its a perfectly viable way of life.



hehe funny and most probably true

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RE: How do I desensitize myself to violence and human s... - 6/17/2009 1:26:23 PM   
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