Turn 36. Jun 1795
Economy and Trade.
Pretty much very little new. My development continues at a good pace. Starting to slow a little because all my developments are mid to high level now and take longer to finish. I decided not to build anything this turn as far as military units. I am going to save up my labor. Probably will start my Horse Artillery unit next turn.
I lost my empire status this turn I THINK because Ironwarrior got Malta when the Papal States asked him for protection. My theory is that Malta is considered to be my "home territory" so I take a Empire point hit when it is occupied by somebody else.
I don't know if this is WAD, and the amount of points involved seems way out of whack, so I hope to be able to follow up with Eric or somebody else with WCS to see if my theory is correct.
Like I said earlier, this is the second game in which I have mysteriously lost 4 empire points when somebody took a province listed in my country's glory target list.
I moved some troops onto the Continent in preparation to fight Aprezto (Prussia) if need be, but it appears we might finally have an agreement.
I dont know if his early refusal to sign the deal was a result of not understanding the empire points involved or if the 150 money I tacked on to the deal helped sway him. He said it was a little bit of both, and that he felt like he couldn't ask me for money, that he thought it might offend me. In reality to me the deal was always decent for both sides, and a small amount of money to get a mutually beneficial long term territorial consolidation like this is a no brainer for a money rich power like Britain. But this was an exceedingly difficult deal to negotiate. Also, see my point below about players being a real PITA to negotiate with, he NEVER asked for what he thought would make the deal work, think about that, we were on the brink of war!
Basically the manual says a bunch of outdated things about the empire point value of certain things. It says a protectorate is worth 2 points or something, its actually 1 point for the protectorate plus 1 point for every province in the protectorate. It says a conquered province is worth 2 points, actually its only 2 points for the province of a major power, the province of a minor power is only worth 1.
So I offered same deal, Mecklenberg and 10 colonies for Brunswick, and will give him 150 money to sweeten the deal. He says that is acceptable. Hesse is now a moot point as he attacked and conquered it and thus receives the empire point.
My negotiations with Spain fell through. He was going to give me Malta and let me take Portugal as a protectorate. In exchange he had said he wanted an extended enforced peace and a royal marriage.
I had thought that a really good deal for both sides, figured by "extended" he meant 4-5 years since most people make agreements 1-2 years at a time in my experience thus far.
He meant 10 years.
Obviously that is completely unacceptable. Of course, I don't have any intention of attacking Spain if I can get what he has that I want (Malta), or get guarantees for what I want that he might get (Corfu, Portugal) out of a deal without a fight.
However, 10 years would be insane. What if he starts acting in collusion with somebody several years from now in a way that hurts my interests? I would then be forced to break my alliance and look bad on the international stage and take a big glory hit.
At present, with him making so much more glory than everyone else by target province, I feel like that would be wrapping up the game, putting a nice bow on it and gifting the win to him.
I hope to be able to come to a more reasonable agreement, but he seemed pretty unmoving on the issue.
As a small gripe, it seems like most players in this game do not have a clue how to haggle about something or negotiate. They all come up with what they want, like sticker price at a big box retail store, and then come Hell or high water that is what they think I ought to pay.
The players I have found reasonable in negotations thus far: Maestro06 (Turkey in this game), Terje439 (France in this game, Austria in Another PBEM), lenin (Prussia in Another PBEM). All the rest it's like pulling teeth trying to come to an arrangement. I almost ended up at war with Prussia over a rearrangement of our territory.
My units attacking Berg got stuck in there when Matto conquered Bavaria. I had to violate his neutrality in order to move out. I sent him a note about it, telling him to turn off his aggression towards me so we don't end up at war. I also sent a note to my Turkish allies to be ready in case he wants to fight.
Hopefully he doesn't. I don't think Austria wants to fight me, he is about to go to war with France from everything I am hearing back channel. But maybe he doesn't know that yet.
PS. Sorry for all the edits. I typed this up after a long day and was really tired. Lots of typos and incomplete thoughts. Needed to flesh it out a little.
< Message edited by Mus -- 8/19/2009 6:05:19 AM >
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