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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/7/2009 9:14:43 PM   
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Well all I can say is if the numbers of Tabbys is your yardstick of what AE should be...

Feel free to mod.

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/8/2009 6:01:15 AM   
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Heh, AE is already far more than I could have hoped for, Tabby or not.

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/9/2009 8:02:39 PM   
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Wouldnt be the first time a typo went into the database, but here it is as of last weeks build (I havent downloaded this weeks yet):





What's a Toka? Wasn't Tokia the Japanese name for the Q1W1 Lorna?



IJNAF version of the Ki-115 build-to-purpose special attack aircraft.

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/9/2009 11:10:03 PM   
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http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/kamikaze.htm




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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/18/2009 5:51:58 PM   
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If the L2D2 is going to be in WITP what about the C-3PO?

[Gary trying his best not to be "dramatic"]

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/18/2009 5:55:55 PM   
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If the L2D2 is going to be in WITP what about the C-3PO?

[Gary trying his best not to be "dramatic"]

The L2D2 is already in WITP. No if, ands or buts about it.

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/18/2009 6:01:04 PM   
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What if Winnie had allowed the RAF to upgrade earlier? Shouldnt we decide when to upgrade, not Churchill? What if we decided that the P38 was a better plane than the P39? Shouldnt we decide to produce it in greater quantities earlier in the war? The trouble with "What Ifs" is that there are so many of them.



What I've always noticed in this forum is that virtually all the "What ifs" people bring up are to aid the Japanese. Glad to see someone pointing out that the Allies had a lot more "what ifs" available as well. I still remember with delight the screams of dismay when it was discovered that PDU worked for the Allies as well!

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/18/2009 6:43:34 PM   
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What if Winnie had allowed the RAF to upgrade earlier? Shouldnt we decide when to upgrade, not Churchill? What if we decided that the P38 was a better plane than the P39? Shouldnt we decide to produce it in greater quantities earlier in the war? The trouble with "What Ifs" is that there are so many of them.



What I've always noticed in this forum is that virtually all the "What ifs" people bring up are to aid the Japanese. Glad to see someone pointing out that the Allies had a lot more "what ifs" available as well. I still remember with delight the screams of dismay when it was discovered that PDU worked for the Allies as well!




ALLIED WHAT IFS!!!!!!????....Omigosh...I had never considered this!....Let's see now.....One B 19 means 4 less P-40's or P 39's (per B 19)........resources to Douglas will halve the output of C 47's......B 29 will come out a year later, (maybe 2 years if more than 40 B 19's are produced)......Lessee now.....B 19 has great range but speed suffers badly so.........won't need such a fast escort, just longer range......GOT IT!!!!!! Wing tanks on the P 36!!!!(Radial engine, won't be affected by the Allison engine shortage).........2 less 37MM guns per B 19.....gotta get with the Army on this one....Glass needs to be "borrowed" from the plant at Willow Run......Less B 24's...sorry....................

Wait!!....Heavy plane......bigger runways....earlier.............need groundcrew and more engineers...earlier!.....


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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/18/2009 6:44:56 PM   
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I still remember with delight the screams of dismay when it was discovered that PDU worked for the Allies as well!



I remember that. Pretty funny actually.

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/18/2009 6:57:18 PM   
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Heh, well the Tabby was used by the Japanese, so it's not a question of "what-if" -- just a question of when. There are plausible arguments on both sides, and I can live with the designers' decision to limit Tabbies to the 1000-series transport squadrons formed up in 1944, even though the aircraft was used in some fashion by the Japanese before then. And yes, we should avoid JFBism -- as someone said earlier, one can make similar arguments about inclusion of the entire Allied C-47 fleet. At the same time, we should also recognize that we don't have a wealth of English-language sources on some aspects of the Japanese military, whereas such sources are often easier to come by for the Allies. I've bought every English-language book I can find relating to how the Japanese used their air transports, and I still have more questions than answers.

And yeah, I am going to change the title of this thread, since the Tabby is indeed in AE.

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/18/2009 7:00:09 PM   
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Someone was running an AI v AI test and stepped into Japan sometime in 44 and he found out he was fighting Bearcats.

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/18/2009 7:44:21 PM   
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Someone was running an AI v AI test and stepped into Japan sometime in 44 and he found out he was fighting Bearcats.


I knew I was going to like AE

Would be curious how that happened. Arrival date got backwards in the editor I am sure.

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/18/2009 8:21:23 PM   
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No, something about the AI getting R&D. Dont want to give everything away

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/18/2009 10:13:07 PM   
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No, something about the AI getting R&D. Dont want to give everything away


You tease! Soon . . . soon . . .

Does the cost of AE include the cost of therapy while we all wait?

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/19/2009 6:26:57 PM   
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What if Winnie had allowed the RAF to upgrade earlier? Shouldnt we decide when to upgrade, not Churchill? What if we decided that the P38 was a better plane than the P39? Shouldnt we decide to produce it in greater quantities earlier in the war? The trouble with "What Ifs" is that there are so many of them.



What I've always noticed in this forum is that virtually all the "What ifs" people bring up are to aid the Japanese. Glad to see someone pointing out that the Allies had a lot more "what ifs" available as well. I still remember with delight the screams of dismay when it was discovered that PDU worked for the Allies as well!




hmmmn,true so very true. Not like what if the Allies had virtually double the air OOB they should have,or the 2nd marine division was available from the get go in stock. Or the crazy LB-24 bomber groups raining 4E death down in summer 42'. So yea,by all means bitch at the Jap fanboys about the feakin Tabby.

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/19/2009 6:29:52 PM   
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Well in AE, the Dutch and Brits dont have to wait to upgrade.

And in AE only 1 regiment of the 2nd Marine is "available". Other pieces are there but assigned to west coast command.

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/19/2009 7:07:13 PM   
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Tophat, I assume that you've never played CHS, with a much more realistic OOB (no masses of LB30, or any allied 4E bombers in 1942). Since AE is the result of a great deal of painstaking OOB research, my guess is that you can expect things to be far different when you play that version... 

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/19/2009 7:12:29 PM   
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Tophat, I assume that you've never played CHS, with a much more realistic OOB (no masses of LB30, or any allied 4E bombers in 1942). Since AE is the result of a great deal of painstaking OOB research, my guess is that you can expect things to be far different when you play that version... 



I am ever amazed at the comments made which are (as you noticed) throwbacks to the days of vanilla.

They are good for the soul........keeps me grounded.....knowing there are still the unlearned, if not disadvantaged,......still playing vanilla.

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/19/2009 8:30:58 PM   
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Tophat, I assume that you've never played CHS, with a much more realistic OOB (no masses of LB30, or any allied 4E bombers in 1942). Since AE is the result of a great deal of painstaking OOB research, my guess is that you can expect things to be far different when you play that version... 


Nope,never have and looking forward to AE with as you can tell baited breath. And note people choose mods because they wanted changes to stock. Lets see,summer 2004,Origins,got to meet Mogommi and frankly wished i could have charged back home after getting my copy and visiting with the Matrix group awhile. but the other fellows i was at origins with had other ideas,such is life.

So we are coming up on 5 yrs now,yup,looks like 5 yrs and we still need a "final" patch for stock. I'm not bitching about that in any way shape or form. What does have me wondering,what really,really does have me curious is that if we don't expect AE to be perfect out of the box and we (me&others) have actually waited almost 5 yrs through improvements to stock...............................never mind it will just get peoples panties in a bunch.

But I am kind of sick of the look down the nose at the jap fanboys attitude.

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/19/2009 8:32:42 PM   
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Tophat, I assume that you've never played CHS, with a much more realistic OOB (no masses of LB30, or any allied 4E bombers in 1942). Since AE is the result of a great deal of painstaking OOB research, my guess is that you can expect things to be far different when you play that version... 



I am ever amazed at the comments made which are (as you noticed) throwbacks to the days of vanilla.

They are good for the soul........keeps me grounded.....knowing there are still the unlearned, if not disadvantaged,......still playing vanilla.



Throwbacks? Hmmn,you must have had converse with one of my former teachers.

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RE: Bring back the L2D2 Tabby! - 3/19/2009 11:19:43 PM   
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Tophat, I assume that you've never played CHS, with a much more realistic OOB (no masses of LB30, or any allied 4E bombers in 1942). Since AE is the result of a great deal of painstaking OOB research, my guess is that you can expect things to be far different when you play that version... 



I am ever amazed at the comments made which are (as you noticed) throwbacks to the days of vanilla.

They are good for the soul........keeps me grounded.....knowing there are still the unlearned, if not disadvantaged,......still playing vanilla.


No, and that is probably not the word I was looking for anyway..

As for your last post, you will never be able to count me as part of the crowd looking "down their noses" at the JFB's........I tried playing that side a few times, and it rewquires more real work that I have time....Every man should know his limitations.


Throwbacks? Hmmn,you must have had converse with one of my former teachers.



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