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Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 2:37:11 AM   
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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 2:47:04 AM   
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Looks like a good-sized Japanese Freighter?



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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 2:52:12 AM   
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Looks like a good-sized Japanese Freighter?




An empty one at that - way high in the water. Considering all the MG ripples in the water this could be Rabaul, Negros Harbor or any base in NG being attacked by the Fifth Air Force (I know: I'm a friggin genius for figuring that one out)

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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 3:35:22 AM   
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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 4:30:53 AM   
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That would be a lot of MG fire, could at least some of the splashes be bomb splinters? Or is the aircraft flying too low to preclude that?

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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 4:51:01 AM   
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Looks like a lot of fifty-cal splashes surrounded by a couple of Japanese transports.

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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 5:20:54 AM   
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Jap tanker.. 50's from a B-25... 

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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 8:04:22 AM   
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What you are looking at is an unacceptable insurance risk.

Unless you contact AIG.

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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 8:49:03 AM   
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Empty fast Japanese tanker/oiler of c. 10000grt.  Subsidised construction late '30's/early '40's.  Candidates include Kokuyo Maru and Shinkoku Maru.  Location looks somewhat like Simpson Harbour.

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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 8:54:28 AM   
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If Rabaul, the attackers could presumably be 13 AF as well as 15 AF, or even carrier planes. I'll go with 'Not Japanese'!

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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 8:56:13 AM   
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If the target is the large tanker, some really poor shooting by a pilot who needs either his glasses or his gunsight adjusted...

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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 9:57:47 AM   
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The splashes could be from more than one plane shooting.  If the attackers are B-25s, the turret, side, and tail guns of the bombers could all be firing, which would be spraying lead all over the place.

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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 1:41:15 PM   
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It’s the attack on Simpson Harbor, Rabaul on 2nd of November 1943 by 75 B-25s, and covered by 80 P-38s. They sunk 3 Naval, and 13 Merchant vessels, also destroying 90+ Japanese Aircraft in this raid. And the splashes are from a bomb explosion methinks, nobody could be that bad a shoot.

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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 1:51:47 PM   
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Rabaul 1943

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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 3:53:03 PM   
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Look how quickly the larger vessel has made headway...right in the middle of the attack.

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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/19/2009 4:39:58 PM   
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Everytime I see a Pac War photo I start thinking of how vast that conflict was. From just off the coast of Alaska all the way down to the Solomons.

Incredible.


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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/20/2009 2:10:50 AM   
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Kokuyo Maru (Large Tanker), it is

It is, (Behind) Naruto Maru.


Simpson Harbour, it is-Suposed to be...

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I dont know who or what is conducting the atack.

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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/20/2009 10:09:11 AM   
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Here is a photo taken of Simpson Harbor on 2nd Nov. 1943, pretty sure they are the same Ships under attack.




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RE: Name This AE...233 - 2/20/2009 5:59:40 PM   
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Yes, my researches also indicate that this is the 2 Nov 43 attack on Rabaul, and that the oiler in the foreground is Kokuyo Maru. Minor quibble: the ship in the background is said to be Shiretoko class oiler Naruto, not Naruto Maru (which would be an appropriate name for a merchant ship taken up from trade).

There's another slight problem with the identification of this ship as Kokuyo Maru. Plenty of sources say that she was engaged in refuelling Kurita's cruisers at Rabaul when Sherman's carriers attacked the port 3 days later on 5 November. E.g. this from the Combined Fleet TROM:

"5 November 1943: - Carrier Raid on Rabaul:
Simpson Harbor, Rabaul. CruDiv 4's ATAGO, MAYA and TAKAO, CruDiv 7's SUZUYA and MOGAMI and CruDiv 8's CHIKUMA arrive at Rabaul. About noon, while KOKUYO MARU is refueling ATAGO, the cruisers are attacked by 97 planes from Rear Admiral (later Admiral) Frederick C. Sherman's Task Force 38's USS SARATOGA (CV-3) and PRINCETON (CVL-23)."

Difficult to square this with identification of the ship in the photo as Kokuyo Maru, given that the ship shown is riding so high that she must be empty or very nearly so. Could it be that between 2 and 5 November she replenished her oil stocks from tanks ashore and then acted as a mobile filling station for the ships in harbour?

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