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Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 4:37:52 PM   
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A British Nuclear submarine and a French nuclear submarine collide in the Atlantic ocean.

Meanwhile, SNP Westminster leader Angus Robertson has called for a government statement.
"The Ministry of Defence needs to explain how it is possible for a submarine carrying weapons of mass destruction to collide with another submarine carrying weapons of mass destruction in the middle of the world's second-largest ocean," he said.


Simple wrong place wrong time or was something else going on with our Gallic cousins... Conspiracy theories rule ok.
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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 5:13:21 PM   
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Secret nuclear strike to be made by the French against the British!? Thermo-nuclear Armageddon at last?! I've got my broken down El Camino, a studded leather jacket, and a wooden stocked sawed-off shotgun ready! Or maybe they were both racing out there to carry "nuclear" test materials to use on the sunken remains of a UFO? Or maybe they both found Atlantis and were going to revive the city with nuclear rods from the submarine's reactor!?

You did say you wanted conspiracy theories!

A very weird story though... I read it and wondered - how, in a huge ocean like the Atlantic, do two SUBMARINES collide? Surface ships would be one thing, as they couldn't alter their depth to miss the other ship. But a submarine!?!?! Very odd.

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 5:25:42 PM   
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Agreed, one has to wonder what was going on behind the scenes here. It is virtually impossible that they just "happened" to collide randomly unless there was some kind of joint operation underway. (Or they are really dim and share exact patrol routes without bothering to coordinate schedules!)

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 5:28:29 PM   
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UFO - Terror from the Depth anyone

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 6:09:09 PM   
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The collision was a cover story. Both subs and crews were taken for nefarious operations

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 6:12:31 PM   
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There is really only one explanation - Love!

Years ago these two submarines were on a joint operation and ever since then, they've been trying to reunite, even if only for one brief moment.

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 6:30:41 PM   
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Murphy's law, not much else to say. 

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 7:42:07 PM   
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quote:

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Murphy's law, not much else to say. 


I tend to agree; there's certainly no way British and French boomers would be involved in a joint operation. I get the feeling from the language used that the damage to the British sub, anyway, was quite severe, so it's great news nobody was hurt.

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 7:48:16 PM   
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Well, even if the chance is low it doesn't mean that it cannot happen. Especially if you cannot detect eachother.

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 7:54:17 PM   
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Suspicious, what exactly is suspicious?

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 7:58:25 PM   
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Oh, come on, the French and British, playing cat and mouse, and they got to close. The only question I have is who was the mouse and who was the cat.  If I were to guess, the British were the cats.  Yes I'm a British Navy Fanboy!

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 8:06:39 PM   
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quote:

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Oh, come on, the French and British, playing cat and mouse, and they got to close. The only question I have is who was the mouse and who was the cat.  If I were to guess, the British were the cats.  Yes I'm a British Navy Fanboy!


They were two boomers, I doubt they were playing cat and mouse with eachother, most likely they were totally oblivious to each-other

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 8:24:46 PM   
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You are probably right, but then one never really knows for sure, unless of course we were there. You could have had a scenario where British sub noticed the French sub, started a track until Trafalgar sub could take up staion, and then continue the track.  It's all conjecture by any of us, and I like mine the best...

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 8:41:35 PM   
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Well I just got off the phone with the French Minister for Defence and he explained exactly what went wrong...apparently, the French captain was pissed out of his tree and the British have no sonar on their boomers (due to cutbacks)

So mystery solved gents.

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 8:52:04 PM   
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There you have it folks, from the mouth of JD, so it has been said, so let it be known, let no naysayer dispute, or off with his head, or something like that...


JD Fanboy...

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 8:58:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

Well I just got off the phone with the French Minister for Defence and he explained exactly what went wrong...apparently, the French captain was pissed out of his tree and the British have no sonar on their boomers (due to cutbacks)


Frighteningly plausible...

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 9:18:10 PM   
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Nothing suspicious here; these things happen. Move along.

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 9:28:05 PM   
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I suspect the RN officer started channeling Lord Nelson. "No captain can do very wrong if he places his ship alongside that of the enemy" and thus the collision occurred. I hate to say it but there may be a major rework of Royal Navy doctrine in the works.



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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 9:58:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Nothing suspicious here; these things happen. Move along.


Hmmm, whenever anyone says there's nothing suspicious in relation to a conspiracy theory that means there is something suspicious.

As for me, I have my own theory. It doesn't involve conspiracies, just some thoughts about people who are willing to be squeezed into a tin can under the ocean driven by a pile of radioactive material with only men for company...

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 10:36:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

Well I just got off the phone with the French Minister for Defence and he explained exactly what went wrong...apparently, the French captain was pissed out of his tree and the British have no sonar on their boomers (due to cutbacks)

So mystery solved gents.


I must have been after lunch then - all of France is in a drunken haze from 12:30-5:00pm. Then they go into post-drunken-haze drinking.

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 11:37:25 PM   
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"Suspicious" as in there is an amusing and likely highly improbable story behind this, which will come out eventually, not that it was a conspiracy or something nefarious.

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/16/2009 11:52:09 PM   
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You must have heard the stories of a Bermuda Triangle at work out there in the Atlantic. LOL It could be we have no real idea of the effects of great depth could have on navigation, sonar, and compass readings, dow i deep water.

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/17/2009 3:51:55 AM   
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I'm imagining both captains dressed in their finest standing at attention trying to explain their selves to each countries naval  investigation panels! 

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/17/2009 10:55:57 AM   
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quote:

I'm imagining both captains dressed in their finest standing at attention trying to explain their selves to each countries naval  investigation panels! 


"Well he started it, Sir. I mean Trafalgar and all that"



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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/17/2009 5:15:21 PM   
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Britsh Captain "Its the bloody Frenchys fault sir, he was driving his sub on the wrong side of the seaway"

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/17/2009 5:40:40 PM   
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How about

"Captain next time we tell you to take out a sub use the friggin torpedoes!"
or
"Now I know why there was a lot of opposition to female sub commanders!"

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/17/2009 8:43:35 PM   
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You guys crack me up! 

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/17/2009 9:57:58 PM   
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US subs ran into Russian subs several times during the first cold war, go read silent service. If fact even today any time a Russian sub has an accident at sea they still blame the USN!

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/17/2009 10:07:45 PM   
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US subs ran into Russian subs several times during the first cold war, go read silent service. If fact even today any time a Russian sub has an accident at sea they still blame the USN!


Those days however atleast one party was aware of the others presence.

Apparently the french and british submariners didn't even realise that they had hit another sub. They only realised that when they arrived at port, damage was inspected and they learned that the other navy also had a boomer have a similar accident.

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RE: Suspicious Submarine Collision? - 2/18/2009 5:42:11 AM   
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They were actually practicing maneuvers for a future invasion of the American coast.

I, for one, welcome our new Brit/French overlords.

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