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totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/21/2009 2:02:07 PM   
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hi all,

chris and me are playing a game (he play the japanese in scenario 19). now i know about lightly different combatreports because of the FOW in the game-. but the results i get after reading his combatreports and then preforming the turn he sent to me, are totaly different.

example:

this is the CR i got from chris via mail:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/09/42

Weather: Partly Cloudy

Air attack on Port Moresby , at 10,40

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell x 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Attacking Level Bombers:
10 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet

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Air attack on Wau , at 8,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
D3A Val x 43
B5N Kate x 44

no losses

Runway hits 8

Attacking Level Bombers:
22 x B5N Kate at 5000 feet
22 x B5N Kate at 5000 feet

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and this is my CR after preforming the combatsave file:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/09/42

Weather: Partly Cloudy

Air attack on Port Moresby , at 10,40

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 10

no losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Attacking Level Bombers:
10 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet

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also, 2 days ago, he told me about a attack of my army DB from PM on his carriers which i never saw when running the combatsave file...although i had lost some army DB when i was checking the AC loses.

is there anything to do except to restart the game? chris also saves the gamesave file in slot #20 so that shouldnt be the problem.
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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/21/2009 3:31:33 PM   
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which edition of UV you guys are using? Both will need the v2.5 patch...

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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/21/2009 3:39:32 PM   
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I'm using 2.30. Where can you download the patch from? The Matrix site?


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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/21/2009 4:12:27 PM   
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Here you get the patch you need. Just download the 2.5 patch. It includes everything you need.

http://www.matrixgames.com/products/216/downloads/Uncommon%20Valor

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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/21/2009 5:41:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xj900uk

I'm using 2.30. Where can you download the patch from? The Matrix site?




Maybe this is why we got strange turns. I have v. 2.50.

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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/21/2009 5:57:41 PM   
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Have tried downloading that & installing it, but it won't go! Keeps on coming up 'minimum system requirements not met'. :(

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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/22/2009 3:49:11 AM   
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versions will not make a difference. I have seen this many times. The game goes forward with the results of Japan's turn. The problem is that the US is left to base plans off possibly false information.

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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/22/2009 7:03:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: borner

versions will not make a difference. I have seen this many times. The game goes forward with the results of Japan's turn. The problem is that the US is left to base plans off possibly false information.


Same here. Some people claimed that this happens when the Japanese player interrupts the combat resolution by using escape or even the exit button. But I can not confirm.

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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/22/2009 8:58:48 AM   
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Why, doesnt the system do a check and ensure that both players are at the same level.

This is relevant for UV, WITP and every PBEM game out there!!

borner, i understand FOW can tweak results, but the IJN reporting attacks that the USN didnt see is going a bit too far.


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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/22/2009 9:57:39 AM   
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It's happened to me before a couple of times. In a current game with Lauri, my A24's on search mode from PM dropped a bomb on the Hiryu whilst just passing which wasn't reported to me (the Allies player), but he sure felt it.

I have a feeling it could be fog-of-war, it is not unknown for airbases to mount operations which, for one reason or another (+ also the tortuous chain of command for the allies) never get reported to the CINC

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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/22/2009 1:27:42 PM   
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I very much agree, not saying it's rght, just that it happens

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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/22/2009 4:46:09 PM   
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update:

in all my UV games, i never saw such a huge difference in the execution phase and the combatreport. just check this out.

in the execution phase, i saw my carrier TF attacking several japanese transport convoys around lunga. here is the combatreport i got after running the execution phase:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/13/42

Weather: Partly Cloudy

Air attack on TF at 36,38


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 6
SBD Dauntless x 34


no losses

Japanese Ships
AP Daifuku Maru, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
AP Mito Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire


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Air attack on TF at 36,38


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 6
SBD Dauntless x 34


no losses

Japanese Ships
AP Mito Maru, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
AP Marsue Maru
AP Daifuku Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage


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Air attack on TF, near Irau at 42,43


Allied aircraft
TBD Devastator x 28


no losses

Japanese Ships
AP Keizan Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage


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Air attack on Port Moresby , at 10,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
D3A Val x 34
B5N Kate x 39
E13A1 Jake x 1

Allied aircraft

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val x 4 damaged
B5N Kate x 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Kittyhawk x 1 destroyed
P-40E Kittyhawk x 1 damaged
P-39D Airacobra x 2 destroyed
A-24 Dauntless x 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
Men lost 53
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 29
Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 3

Attacking Level Bombers:
21 x B5N Kate at 5000 feet
18 x B5N Kate at 5000 feet

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Air attack on TF at 36,38


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 8
SBD Dauntless x 30


no losses

Japanese Ships
MSW Fumi Maru #2, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Marsue Maru
MSW Seki Maru #3, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage


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Air attack on TF at 36,38


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 5
SBD Dauntless x 33


no losses

Japanese Ships
AP Mito Maru, on fire, heavy damage
AP Daifuku Maru, on fire, heavy damage


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Air attack on TF, near Irau at 42,43


Allied aircraft
TBD Devastator x 25


no losses

Japanese Ships
AP Keizan Maru, on fire, heavy damage


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Ground combat at Irau

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1208 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Irau base !!!

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the 3 marus and 2 MSW were confirmed sunk after the attacks. and now look at the ship lose screen after this attack:



now where are all the drunken sailors?...err i mean sunked ships?

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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/22/2009 8:11:58 PM   
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different vers.?  

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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/22/2009 10:07:25 PM   
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Different versions will make virtually every turn have a problem. You must both be on the same version or you will have to live with our of sync replays every turn.

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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/23/2009 6:32:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nomad

Different versions will make virtually every turn have a problem. You must both be on the same version or you will have to live with our of sync replays every turn.



as I said earlier in this thread. It can´t be the same result with different versions since alot of bugs were fixed in each new edition... (and some new were added too)

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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/23/2009 8:58:45 AM   
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Some of my turns with BB have been identical, others there seem to have thrown up quite a substantial difference in the combat turn.

BTW I have also been having the same problem intermitantly with Lauri, and he is on the same version (2.30) as me

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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/24/2009 4:08:44 AM   
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I am sure most players do this, but always have Japan send the text combat save file with the turn, so you can hopefully catch the differences

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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/24/2009 4:14:05 PM   
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I always go from the text combat save file anyway, but thanks for confirming it.  I only replay the turn to check the search/detection/coastwatcher results

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RE: totaly different results...suggestions? - 1/24/2009 4:24:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xj900uk

I always go from the text combat save file anyway, but thanks for confirming it.  I only replay the turn to check the search/detection/coastwatcher results

And theese are the ones that can differ as well and that can hurt sometime for the allies.

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wrost I have seen!! - 1/29/2009 12:40:03 PM   
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IKE's results.... ( this is long)

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/23/43
Weather: Overcast
Air attack on TF, near Irau at 42,43

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 32
G4M1 Betty x 31

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 24
F4U-1 Corsair x 8
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 18 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged
P-40E Warhawk x 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
AP Moreton Bay, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
AP Calvert, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
AP Largs Bay, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire
AP William Ward Burrows, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
AP President Jackson
AP John Penn, Torpedo hits 1

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet

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Air attack on Tulagi , at 38,39


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 8
A-20G Boston x 6


Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Boston x 1 damaged

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet

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Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 7
SBD Dauntless x 221
TBF Avenger x 112


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless x 1 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 394
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 130

Attacking Level Bombers:
18 x TBF Avenger at 5000 feet
13 x TBF Avenger at 5000 feet
18 x TBF Avenger at 5000 feet
15 x TBF Avenger at 5000 feet
16 x TBF Avenger at 5000 feet
18 x TBF Avenger at 5000 feet
14 x TBF Avenger at 5000 feet

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Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
SBD Dauntless x 29
TBF Avenger x 14
P-40E Warhawk x 7


no losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 10

Attacking Level Bombers:
4 x TBF Avenger at 5000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger at 5000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger at 5000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger at 5000 feet

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Air attack on TF at 40,44

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 26
B5N Kate x 36

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 237
F4U-1 Corsair x 16
Beaufighter VIC x 3
P-38G Lightning x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val x 19 destroyed
D3A Val x 9 damaged
B5N Kate x 39 destroyed
B5N Kate x 1 damaged


1LT P.Lee of VMF-124 is credited with kill number 5


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Air attack on TF, near Irau at 42,43

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 35
G4M1 Betty x 8

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 45
F4U-1 Corsair x 17
P-40E Warhawk x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 15 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 3 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 15 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8 damaged
P-40E Warhawk x 1 destroyed

LT J. Yamashita of F2/1st Daitai is credited with kill number 3

LT J. Yamashita of F2/1st Daitai bails out and is CAPTURED

Allied Ships
AP President Adams
AP Wharton

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet

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Air attack on TF at 40,44

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 18

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 237
F4U-1 Corsair x 16
Beaufighter VIC x 3
P-38G Lightning x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate x 22 destroyed
B5N Kate x 1 damaged


LTJG R.Early of VF-6 is credited with kill number 5


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Air attack on TF at 40,44

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 45

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 237
F4U-1 Corsair x 16
Beaufighter VIC x 3
P-38G Lightning x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val x 52 destroyed


LT A. Vraciu of VF-6 is credited with kill number 7


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Air attack on TF at 40,44

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 13
B5N Kate x 13

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 237
F4U-1 Corsair x 16
Beaufighter VIC x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero x 16 destroyed
B5N Kate x 11 destroyed
B5N Kate x 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 19 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 13 damaged
Beaufighter VIC x 1 destroyed

PO2 W.Minowa of DIII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 5


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Air attack on TF at 40,44

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 48
D3A Val x 27

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 196
F4U-1 Corsair x 16
Beaufighter VIC x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 48 destroyed
D3A Val x 21 destroyed
D3A Val x 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 26 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 12 damaged
F4U-1 Corsair x 1 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair x 1 damaged
Beaufighter VIC x 2 destroyed
Beaufighter VIC x 1 damaged

1LT P.Lee of VMF-124 is credited with kill number 6

LTJG R.Early of VF-6 is KILLED


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Air attack on TF at 40,44

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
A6M3 Zero x 11
D3A Val x 27
B5N Kate x 15

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 125
F4U-1 Corsair x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 13 destroyed
A6M3 Zero x 7 destroyed
A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged
D3A Val x 18 destroyed
D3A Val x 13 damaged
B5N Kate x 19 destroyed
B5N Kate x 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 26 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 12 damaged
Beaufighter VIC x 2 destroyed

1LT P.Lee of VMF-124 is credited with kill number 8

LTJG J.Bannister of VF-42 is KILLED

Allied Ships
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 2
CA New Orleans
CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 1
CL Hobart, Bomb hits 1


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Air attack on TF, near Irau at 42,43

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 12

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 12
F4U-1 Corsair x 11
P-40E Warhawk x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty x 5 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 1 damaged


1LT G.Ballard of VMF-212 is credited with kill number 2

Allied Ships
PT 168
PT 68
PT 159

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
1 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet

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MY results.....

FTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/23/43
Weather: Overcast
Air attack on TF, near Irau at 42,43

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 32
G4M1 Betty x 31

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 24
F4U-1 Corsair x 8
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 2 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair x 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk x 1 destroyed

CPO R.Nagaishi of F2/1st Daitai is credited with kill number 2

Allied Ships
AP American Legion
AP Zeilin
AP Feland
AP John Penn, Torpedo hits 1
AP William Ward Burrows, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
AP McCawley, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage

Attacking Level Bombers:
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet

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Air attack on Tulagi , at 38,39


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9
P-40E Warhawk x 6
A-20G Boston x 6


no losses

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet
3 x A-20G Boston at 5000 feet

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Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 35
TBF Avenger x 14
P-40E Warhawk x 10


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless x 1 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 26
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 15

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x TBF Avenger at 5000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger at 5000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger at 5000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger at 5000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Irau at 42,43

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 28
G4M1 Betty x 12

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 18
F4U-1 Corsair x 8
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 4 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 2 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 9 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged
P-40E Warhawk x 1 destroyed

CPO K. Muto of F1/3rd Daitai is credited with kill number 2

Allied Ships
AP Wharton
AP Neville
AP Calvert, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Irau at 42,43

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
G4M1 Betty x 12

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 14
F4U-1 Corsair x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 3 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 1 damaged


1LT G. Poske of VMF-212 is credited with kill number 3

Allied Ships
PT 122
PT 121

Attacking Level Bombers:
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
1 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet

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in my replay, IKE's planes never even flew!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: wrost I have seen!! - 1/30/2009 2:11:17 PM   
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it seems to be a kind of game of chance. in my game with chris, where i play the japanese, we seem to get the same results...and in the other game, we got results about fights and battles, which i never saw in my combat replay.

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RE: wrost I have seen!! - 1/30/2009 3:24:02 PM   
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In our scenario 17 game when I've re-run the combat save .001 game I have got slightly different results a few times. Frustratingly, my subs seem to do better in it than the 'real' game, I've torpedoed one of your major carriers twice which hasn't been reflected in the proper game

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