Matrix Games Forums

Forums  Register  Login  Photo Gallery  Member List  Search  Calendars  FAQ 

My Profile  Inbox  Address Book  My Subscription  My Forums  Log Out

OT: Replacement planes

 
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [Current Games From Matrix.] >> [World War II] >> War In The Pacific - Struggle Against Japan 1941 - 1945 >> OT: Replacement planes Page: [1]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
OT: Replacement planes - 10/28/2008 4:07:07 PM   
ilovestrategy


Posts: 3627
Joined: 6/11/2005
From: San Diego
Status: offline
There's something I've wondered for a long time. How did replacement planes get to the carriers, especially when they were far out in places like the Solomons and Saipan?
Were there non combat carriers designed just for bringing the replacement planes out?
If anyone can answer this I would be thankful.
Thanks!

_____________________________

After 16 years, Civ II still has me in it's clutches LOL!!!
Now CIV IV has me in it's evil clutches!
Post #: 1
RE: OT: Replacement planes - 10/28/2008 4:08:31 PM   
Terminus


Posts: 41460
Joined: 4/23/2005
From: Denmark
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

There's something I've wondered for a long time. How did replacement planes get to the carriers, especially when they were far out in places like the Solomons and Saipan?
Were there non combat carriers designed just for bringing the replacement planes out?
If anyone can answer this I would be thankful.
Thanks!


Maybe not "designed to" as such, but certainly used for. Lots of them.

_____________________________

We are all dreams of the Giant Space Butterfly.

(in reply to ilovestrategy)
Post #: 2
RE: OT: Replacement planes - 10/28/2008 4:14:48 PM   
spence

 

Posts: 5300
Joined: 4/20/2003
From: Vancouver, Washington
Status: offline
Typical "non-combat carrier" for replacement airframes




Attachment (1)

(in reply to Terminus)
Post #: 3
RE: OT: Replacement planes - 10/28/2008 4:26:53 PM   
Terminus


Posts: 41460
Joined: 4/23/2005
From: Denmark
Status: offline
Yeah, but not for replacing carrier air wings at sea, which is how I understood his question.

_____________________________

We are all dreams of the Giant Space Butterfly.

(in reply to spence)
Post #: 4
RE: OT: Replacement planes - 10/28/2008 4:41:43 PM   
Javakamp


Posts: 172
Joined: 2/17/2004
From: Lakeland, FL.
Status: offline
Didn't they have CVEs dedicated to providing replacements to the fleet? There are several US CVEs in WITP with VR squadrons. I thought these are for replacements. That's why I put them in Replenishment TFs.

(in reply to Terminus)
Post #: 5
RE: OT: Replacement planes - 10/28/2008 5:05:56 PM   
spence

 

Posts: 5300
Joined: 4/20/2003
From: Vancouver, Washington
Status: offline
Yes there were CVE's used for replenishment of carrier airgroups towards the end of the war. The replenishment of carriers in the Solomons would have more likely used "non-combat carriers" of the type I posted earlier, having to return to harbor to actually take the planes aboard whereas the carriers off Saipan (last year of the war) would have been replenished from CVEs.

(in reply to Javakamp)
Post #: 6
RE: OT: Replacement planes - 10/28/2008 6:35:39 PM   
HansBolter


Posts: 7339
Joined: 7/6/2006
From: St. Petersburg, Florida, USA
Status: offline
There is a great book detailing all of the actions of ALL of the escort carriers. We built over a hundred of them!

I can't remember the name of the book right now, but my boardgame buddie has it in his collection and I read it a few months ago.

Next week when he returns from business travel I'll look it up for ya.

Several divisions of them were dedicated to fleet replenishment duties for the exact purpose you are inquiring about.

I remembered the name. This is it:

http://www.amazon.com/Little-Giants-Carriers-Against-Bluejacket/dp/1557509808/ref=sr_1_58?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225215535&sr=1-58


< Message edited by HansBolter -- 10/28/2008 6:39:04 PM >

(in reply to spence)
Post #: 7
RE: OT: Replacement planes - 10/28/2008 6:39:33 PM   
Dixie


Posts: 10332
Joined: 3/10/2006
From: UK
Status: offline
I know the RN and USN used CVEs for replenishment, but how about the IJN?  (When they actually had the planes available to use)

_____________________________



Bigger boys stole my sig

(in reply to HansBolter)
Post #: 8
RE: OT: Replacement planes - 10/28/2008 7:18:28 PM   
spence

 

Posts: 5300
Joined: 4/20/2003
From: Vancouver, Washington
Status: offline
quote:

I know the RN and USN used CVEs for replenishment, but how about the IJN? (When they actually had the planes available to use)

_____________________________


Combat records, such as the are, for the IJN CVEs can be found at the Combined Fleet website...the IJN CVEs seemed to have for the most part ferried a/c from place to place. Technologically, launching an airstrike of torpedo armed a/c was quite beyond their capability (flight deck too short, ship max speed too low, a/c load too heavy). Recovering a/c at all was difficult for both the ship and the a/c since they had no arrestor-gear.

(in reply to Dixie)
Post #: 9
RE: OT: Replacement planes - 10/28/2008 7:47:56 PM   
RevRick


Posts: 2580
Joined: 9/16/2000
From: Thomasville, GA
Status: offline
Y'know. This has got me to thinking - which could be dangerous to the board and the local fire department. IIRC, the fleet carriers always carried spare air frames and engines on board. The airframes were carried lashed to the overhead in the hanger deck, and the engines where ever they put crated engines. There was a max, and I think it was somewhere between 10% to 25% of air wing capacity for extras. Now, how does that, if anyone can confirm it, fit into our little world here. And this could all be a case of memory elements becoming frazzled and bumfusticated, as well.

_____________________________

"Action springs not from thought, but from a readiness for responsibility.” ― Dietrich Bonhoeffer

(in reply to spence)
Post #: 10
RE: OT: Replacement planes - 10/28/2008 9:12:31 PM   
PeteG662


Posts: 1263
Joined: 6/7/2004
Status: offline
Remember that in WitP you are allowed to overstack a carrier by 10% probably because of this situation.

(in reply to RevRick)
Post #: 11
RE: OT: Replacement planes - 10/29/2008 7:27:10 AM   
ilovestrategy


Posts: 3627
Joined: 6/11/2005
From: San Diego
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Yeah, but not for replacing carrier air wings at sea, which is how I understood his question.


That's what I was trying to ask.

_____________________________

After 16 years, Civ II still has me in it's clutches LOL!!!
Now CIV IV has me in it's evil clutches!

(in reply to Terminus)
Post #: 12
RE: OT: Replacement planes - 10/29/2008 5:27:32 PM   
Nikademus


Posts: 25318
Joined: 5/27/2000
From: Alien spacecraft
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

There's something I've wondered for a long time. How did replacement planes get to the carriers, especially when they were far out in places like the Solomons and Saipan?
Were there non combat carriers designed just for bringing the replacement planes out?
If anyone can answer this I would be thankful.
Thanks!


As mentioned, the "preferred method" was by ship. This saved wear and tear on men as well as machines and eliminated the risks of long range flights. The Japanese of course, as the war progressed were forced to fly in reinforcements.


_____________________________


(in reply to ilovestrategy)
Post #: 13
RE: OT: Replacement planes - 10/29/2008 7:35:26 PM   
mlees


Posts: 2263
Joined: 9/20/2003
From: San Diego
Status: offline
Check out here: http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/carriers/cve.htm

The Allies tried to ship aircraft uncrated, where feasible (to save time on reassembly). For example, the USS Long Island ferried planes, and also acted as a training carrier at various times.


(in reply to ilovestrategy)
Post #: 14
Page:   [1]
All Forums >> [Current Games From Matrix.] >> [World War II] >> War In The Pacific - Struggle Against Japan 1941 - 1945 >> OT: Replacement planes Page: [1]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.4.5 ANSI

0.152