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DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/7/2008 5:56:11 AM   
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The wing-T is possibly my favorite offense, the misdirection, the multitude of threats simultaniously posed to the defense... a migrane headache waiting for defensive players. I don't know when it will be done, but I want to give a sneak peak as again this will be a radically different type of playbook that will rely heavily on the run.

What follows is the basis of the Wing-T attack, the 20 series.




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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/7/2008 5:56:51 AM   
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It starts with the buck trap...




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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/7/2008 5:57:34 AM   
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Once the defense collapses on the trap, the sweep hits the flank




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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/7/2008 5:58:34 AM   
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and once the sweep is defended...




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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/7/2008 5:59:38 AM   
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...you fake the buck trap and sweep...




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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/7/2008 6:00:33 AM   
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...and attack the opposite flank with the boot




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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/7/2008 6:01:22 AM   
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and now that we have threatened the middle and both flanks...




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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/7/2008 6:01:59 AM   
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... we can start throwing the ball




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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/7/2008 6:02:29 AM   
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and continue to make big gains




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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/7/2008 6:08:58 AM   
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Wow that looks really cool DTVT. That is really going to give my leagues teams some options.

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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/7/2008 7:15:19 AM   
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Good stuff. Im looking forward to this. Thanks for all your hard work.

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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/8/2008 1:03:39 AM   
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The wing-t looks sweet.  Set up the 335 D this weekend and was impressed, particularly with the zone coverage and outside run containment.  The offensive spread sets were really nice also.  Can't wait to try out the wing-t next.

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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/24/2008 6:43:05 PM   
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How is this coming along? I set up one of the weaker teams in the GFF with your Spread/ 335 Defense playbook and they have become a dangerous team. I'm looking forward to this playbook.

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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/24/2008 11:24:43 PM   
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Yeah, what BigSmooth said.....we want our spread

Seriously though, thanks for all the work you and other guys like Hack do on playbooks, makes the game 100% better.

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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/25/2008 5:46:02 AM   
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It's still in the works, but life has kept me busy the past two weeks.  I might be able to push this through within a week or so, but no promises.  The problem I run into is I always want to make the playbooks too big, so striking a balance between completeness and ease of use is something that drives my perfection seeking self bat $**t crazy.  I started this one, but now I'm wondering if I should have organized by formation & series as apposed to just formation.

@ BigSmooth - Which team uses the Spread /335?  Do any teams use my other Pro/43 book?

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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/25/2008 1:39:39 PM   
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I'll take the bigger playbooks. IMO I have enough high school-sized playbooks and not enough professional-sized ones

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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/25/2008 3:34:26 PM   
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The problem with large playbooks is that they become unwieldy to use on the spot.  I'm not a sim-player, I like to call my own plays, and if I have too many plays in a formation, it becomes too difficult to manage.  If there were a paging (EA) or tab system (FBPro) in addition to what is in place, I'd be all about making ginormous playbooks, but anything I make I have to use, so I'll be sticking to about 25 plays per formation.

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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 9/25/2008 3:49:19 PM   
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The Hollywood Stars will be using the Spread/335 playbook and the Philadelphia Americans will be using the Pro/43 playbook. I'm in the process of play testing,tweaking the constants and assigning different playbooks to teams to make them competitive before I restart season 1.

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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 10/22/2008 10:24:59 AM   
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The Delaware T-Wing is an interesting project and i had the idea to make a playbook for FBPro99 a long time ago. I have all the Raymond/Kempski book (except the book about the Option).

I have some questions about implanting this offense in the MF universe.

1. When you look at the average skill range of a TE and RB in the maindata.mdb you will see that an average TE has a blocking rating of 43 (like a WR) and a RB of 58. The average OL is rated 80. An average QB has an average blocking rating of 18 and when i recall some plays right then a QB has sometimes blocking duties. So we need to adjust the skill range.

2. More interesting is if a T-Wing playbook could be run successfully in a MF league when the league has a professional style. I understand that in the NFL you could not run the Delaware T-Wing because the matchups RB / DL or LB are not in your favour and a running, passing and blocking QB will be a major headache for all coaches (and owners) but in a MF universe it would be nice when a typical college play can be so successful like a "professional" play.

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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 10/22/2008 5:59:53 PM   
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quote:

DTVT stated: The problem with large playbooks is that they become unwieldy to use on the spot.  I'm not a sim-player, I like to call my own plays, and if I have too many plays in a formation, it becomes too difficult to manage.  If there were a paging (EA) or tab system (FBPro) in addition to what is in place, I'd be all about making ginormous playbooks, but anything I make I have to use, so I'll be sticking to about 25 plays per formation.


That is a very good point.

One must consider that although real world playbooks have hundreds of plays, many of those plays are not practiced and gameplanned each week.  In Maximum Football, one must consider the playbook to be what the team had gameplanned for that week.  It can be revised and altered between games with any plays that one wishes from the larger playbook that is all plays available.

Good playbook design means good plays, organization, nomenclature, and gameplans.  It is not a simple thing, but that's part of the fun of it.

Note that Madden custom playbooks are limited to 81 plays and FBPro playbooks were limited to 64 plus the special plays on each side of the ball.

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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 10/22/2008 8:47:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tullius

The Delaware T-Wing is an interesting project and i had the idea to make a playbook for FBPro99 a long time ago. I have all the Raymond/Kempski book (except the book about the Option).

I have some questions about implanting this offense in the MF universe.

1. When you look at the average skill range of a TE and RB in the maindata.mdb you will see that an average TE has a blocking rating of 43 (like a WR) and a RB of 58. The average OL is rated 80. An average QB has an average blocking rating of 18 and when i recall some plays right then a QB has sometimes blocking duties. So we need to adjust the skill range.

2. More interesting is if a T-Wing playbook could be run successfully in a MF league when the league has a professional style. I understand that in the NFL you could not run the Delaware T-Wing because the matchups RB / DL or LB are not in your favour and a running, passing and blocking QB will be a major headache for all coaches (and owners) but in a MF universe it would be nice when a typical college play can be so successful like a "professional" play.


To address your points:

1) Using JD's tools, you can fix those values. I think they are reflective of the pass-happier CFL since David is Canadian. Nothing wrong with that, we can make the game what we want. QB's block about as often in the Wing-T as they do in other offenses, which is very rarely. I will state that in practice they do fine against 34 and 43 defenses. Blocking in the Wing-T is more about getting leverage and angles than overpowering the defender, so not having great blocking values isn't critical. The Wing-T team I played against in high school had small o-lines, but they always led the conference in rushing and were always a top team despite not having the size of some the other schools in our conference.

2) I think it can in the game. FBPro98 didn't take kindly to non-pro style offenses, but it's predicesors did (FBPro93 the Wing-T was nearly unstoppable for me). I was planning on making a 34 defense to go along with the Wing-T, but I may put that on hold and just release the offense when I get home so people can play with it and see what they think. The real hinderance to the Wing-T is that teams don't like putting their QB at risk.

As an aside, I'm not making a true Delaware Wing-T, there are parts that don't fit into the game, so I had to change and replace some of the series. I also made some other changes for other reasons...but it's still the Wing-T, and not the Spread-T (a spread/Wing-T hybrid some smaller colleges are using).

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RE: DTVT's Wing-T Offense: A sneak preview - 12/24/2008 10:00:30 PM   
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Hi dreamtheatervt,

The Wing T looks awsome. Will you make it available when it is finished? I would love to use it in my league.

Thanks,
SJ9r.

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