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Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 7:04:07 AM   
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Hi,

Just a heads up.... Making History Gold has been released. Its download only for now but hard copy will come. Its priced $20 and there is a demo.

http://www.making-history.com/home.php

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 3:07:17 PM   
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Just my luck! I ordered Making History: The Calm & The Storm only yesterday for $19.99!

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 3:37:18 PM   
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I can get my copy for 14.99, because I was one of the suckers that bought that game when it first came out.

For those of you not familiar with this title, it looks like a WW2 grasnd strategy game, but it is not. It is about leading a country during the time frame of 1936 to '46. It has nothing to do with WW2. Alliances are crazy, wars start anytime, everywhere, the AI is absolutely bonkers, and the combat is qute a bit like Risk. On the positive side, the economic engine is really impressive (why I was convinced to get it), and the UI is very nice.

In May they had a big patch release. I tried to play the thing again (after months of not even looking at it), it was the same crap; war breaking out in '37, crazy alliances/enemies.
There are different start dates which can reduce some of the obsurdities of this game. Too bad that the best part of the game (economics) then becomes academic.

There is another plus to it-it will make you laugh out loud-really. The "ai" can be really entertaining-if you were not expecting a WW2 game.

They should fix their tin edition before releasing a gold edition. THey say it is about "making history"-hog wash. It is too far from realistic scenarios to be of much use for anything serious. It's a kidy game.
20 bucks for a game sounds like a good deal, but in this case, it is doubtfull.

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 3:57:39 PM   
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I'm not sure I agree with you 06 Maestro, the game is called making history and therefore you can make your own history.

Don't get me wrong, I like games that is historical correct, but I also like games giving me total freedom. I really liked EU3 since all the historical correct dates was gone, i.e. 10 may 1610 in every game something specific would happen. The history buffs hated it. My guess is that the same is with MHG... People wanting 100% correct WWII will have to look else where.

So why not think of it as a game where WWII could be different than what truly happened? What if Hitler didn't attack the Russians or USA didn't helped UK?

I plan to buy it since its a fresh look at our history and not something that will never be perfect since the game dosn't follow the 100% correct WWII time line.
 

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 4:10:06 PM   
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I'm not sure I agree with you 06 Maestro, the game is called making history and therefore you can make your own history.




That is the company line. However, the things that normally occur in that game are not part of a normal list of strategic options for WW2-it is out there-way out there.

It is only 20 bucks, so go ahead and try it-some actually like it. But if you expect anything remotely resembling historic events-forget about it.


BTW, I also have EU3, and ike it. It is not my fav, but play now and then.

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 4:13:32 PM   
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This game doesn't interest me in the least.

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 5:20:03 PM   
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I've always been rather tempted to pick this up. It always appealed to me...history is for books. I want to make a difference in my games. Ok, I can understand why people want historically accurate games. Sometimes it is nice...on the other hand, it's also nice to have surprises sprung on you because you weren't expecting it.

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 6:14:04 PM   
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I've always been rather tempted to pick this up. It always appealed to me...history is for books. I want to make a difference in my games. Ok, I can understand why people want historically accurate games. Sometimes it is nice...on the other hand, it's also nice to have surprises sprung on you because you weren't expecting it.



Right my words JD, I will order it and have some good time with it. Maybe I can ally with the Russians even though I play Germany

$15 is rather cheap for a game these days.

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 6:16:31 PM   
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Thanks for pointing this one out, Cougar_DK.  It looks like a nice little game.  I looked at it before but the price is better now.  I like that it can get a little ahistorical as well.  Keeps it fun.

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 6:39:30 PM   
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Thanks for pointing this one out, Cougar_DK.  It looks like a nice little game.  I looked at it before but the price is better now.  I like that it can get a little ahistorical as well.  Keeps it fun.


If you like "ahistorical", you will have a blast. The price is not bad either.
As I mentioned above, the UI is good, and the economics, reserch, and trade are about the best you can get in a strategic game. The map is zoomable, dragable, and scrolable (new words?).

I just wanted to put out a warning about what the game is really about-many that purchased it were not happily surprised.

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 6:56:36 PM   
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quote:

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Thanks for pointing this one out, Cougar_DK.  It looks like a nice little game.  I looked at it before but the price is better now.  I like that it can get a little ahistorical as well.  Keeps it fun.


If you like "ahistorical", you will have a blast. The price is not bad either.
As I mentioned above, the UI is good, and the economics, reserch, and trade are about the best you can get in a strategic game. The map is zoomable, dragable, and scrolable (new words?).

I just wanted to put out a warning about what the game is really about-many that purchased it were not happily surprised.


Excellent. You just moved this one to a "buy" for me. I like the economic, research and trade parts and have heard it is done well and you confirmed so as well. I have other games that will get me the historical part, sometimes you just gotta let go and have some fun and leave reality behind.

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 7:12:04 PM   
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I have the un-gold version. It works great for me because I am ignorant to most of history. I didn't know the game was so bad historically until 06-Maestro informed me by email. I was shocked to find that out. I had been playing it and recommended it to him. My fault.

One of my favorite features is the Notebook where you can add your own notes and as many as you like. Ctrl+L and voila, Notebook.

I suppose my biggest gripe would be a lack of personality. The game is just bland, but it works good.

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 8:16:23 PM   
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It should be noted that included in the gold edition are scenarios that follow a more historical path.....

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 8:35:29 PM   
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It should be noted that included in the gold edition are scenarios that follow a more historical path.....


Good point. I went ahead and bought the download and started on the 1933 Blitzkrieg scenario. Will see how it goes...

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 9:34:53 PM   
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Downloading now....

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 9:37:45 PM   
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Waging war in this game seems like the easy part.... Controlling your country is sure a big task (for me). I really have to get my head around all the different options. Oh well, off to bed.

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 9:39:32 PM   
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Now I need to convince the wife I still need to get WW2: Road to Victory..... hmmmm

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 9:46:15 PM   
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I have to agreee with maestro. Ig you are going to have a game that is so outlandish as to even call it a WWII game, then you better damn well make it so at least there are some more histirical events that just the ine where Austria cedes territory to Germany.. They didn't even include the Sudentenland in the game, I was sickened by the fact that Russia decared war an The Commonwealth, The Americans declared war on the Japaneese and Italy decared war on Russia, while Germany and France just sat there and watched the massive naval battles in the North Sea, English Channel, and the Baltic sea because they never even declared war on anyone. This was 1939. I never in any game of any type saw so many tons of ships in one area at the same time. Almost the entire Japaneese and English navies were in the north sea and the Americans had most of their with the Russians, of course, in the Baltic with the Italians and Americans. That's when I decided enough was enough. There hjas to be some semblence of reality for it to be anywhere near where you could call it WWII. It might as well be the diplomacy game on AT. Also, late in the game it is severely bugged, so BEWARE!

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 9:57:18 PM   
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I really strongly disagree with this view that is a game calls itself WWII, then it needs to mimic WWII.

I would agree that perhaps they could make it clearer that it's not a historical simulation...but to take away the WWII tag because it "does not play out" historically is just ridiculous.

It has WWII units and it's the WWII time period. It's absolutely fine to call it a WWII game. By all means, tell people it's not historical or ahistorical or whatever you want, to stop the die hards crying...but for gods sake...let it be a WWII game.

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 10:15:28 PM   
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Now I need to convince the wife I still need to get WW2: Road to Victory..... hmmmm


You could wait until the first patch comes out and that would give you a couple weeks to come up with something...

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 10:25:11 PM   
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What I do not understand about all of this moaning and crying about it not be a WWII historical game, is that there are now many games out there that do just what these naysayers are moaning about...take the time to read even the advert for Making History which states "DON'T JUST REPLAY HISTORY. MAKE HISTORY." .....If a person cannot wrap their mind around the mission of this game, then simply go out and play SCWAW, GGWAW, CEAW, & RTW and leave your crying towels at the door when you depart this thread......

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 7/31/2008 10:52:26 PM   
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Now I need to convince the wife I still need to get WW2: Road to Victory..... hmmmm


You could wait until the first patch comes out and that would give you a couple weeks to come up with something...

True enough. I have been tracking their forum and noted some little bugs they are working on. I was kind of waiting for that anyway. I need to be ready for the "but you have all these games over here" argument. I've won that one before though.

As for the historical part I agree with J P Falcon. I just want to try managing one of the countries and see how I do. I know it may not be perfect but fun is what I am after as well as a mental challenge. I have Rise and Fall of the Third Reich on the shelf so if I want history I am set .

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 8/1/2008 2:42:52 AM   
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The historical vs ahistorical topic seems to be on the table in many threads and forums right now, so I'll throw my 2 cents in here as well: As soon as you include research, diplomacy and production in a game, it can by definition only have a historic setup at the start of the game. After that it is very much up to the player(s) to develop the storyline of the game. This is fundamentally different versus games which are more abstract when it comes to production, and doesn't include active research and diplomacy. These type of games tend to generate the historical outcome (at least on the grand scale) more often compared to the first type of game. Does this means the one type is "better" compared to the other? Of course not, but if you buy one type expecting the other, you may be disappointed.

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 8/1/2008 3:18:44 AM   
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All right then. I'll say it: the game sucks and I'm glad Matrix doesn't have anything to do with it. Any game that is supposed to have some WWII system where the first 2-3 years is pretty much nothing but arms and goods at a time when Germany was rearming itself is not a "WWII game" I care to play.
I like the units in the game and the technolgy, but to play Germany and not even have combined arms technology in 1939( virtually impossible in this game) is rediculous.

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 8/1/2008 5:24:49 AM   
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I really strongly disagree with this view that is a game calls itself WWII, then it needs to mimic WWII.



Why? It is the second war involving the whole world... I think you guys need to think a little out of the box and let this game slip if a WWII game = "a game that plays WWII on a weekly basis ending with the fall of Germany and nuclear bombings of Japan"....

(Or you could try some of the mods making it more true to the WWII that happened....)

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 8/1/2008 8:29:00 AM   
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Cougar, I didn't make myself clear..I meant to say "I strongly disagree with the view that IF a game is labelled WWII, then it needs to be historically accurate"

I love ahistocrical...it springs things on you.

Course, I like some history too.

I wonder what people would think about a sci-fi game that was set in 2010 with earth creating vast empires across universes and wormhole technology and warp drive!! Probably that it just isn't going to be possible in 2 years!

Like I said though, each to there own. I like both and for that price, I need to pick it up...I've been thinking about it for too long now.

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 8/1/2008 9:37:57 AM   
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Ahhh no problem JD, it was me that misunderstood you 

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 8/1/2008 10:23:56 AM   
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All right then. I'll say it: the game sucks and I'm glad Matrix doesn't have anything to do with it. Any game that is supposed to have some WWII system where the first 2-3 years is pretty much nothing but arms and goods at a time when Germany was rearming itself is not a "WWII game" I care to play.
I like the units in the game and the technolgy, but to play Germany and not even have combined arms technology in 1939( virtually impossible in this game) is rediculous.


Yes, that may be so, and I can't argue for or against this particular game since I haven't tried it. My point was trying to separate between two distinct types of games regardless of if the implementation of these games is good or bad.

To the point of technology, is the game moddable to make the storyline options at least somewhat more realistic, since I agree that the player must at a minimum have the opportunity to take the major countries along a somewhat historical path if that's what he's aiming for. If you look at the HOI AAR's at Paradox, you will find many examples of different styles of play, and different mods (taking the game in both directions) without anyone really complaining about one or the other approach. By that statement, I don't want to take the thread to like/don't like HOI/Paradox, but I consider it being a nice example of two gaming approaches that can develop in the same community and be fun for the members. Maybe Making History (along with for example WW2: Road to Victory, Advanced Tactics and a few more) can evolve in the same way despite the fact not everyone seems happy with the current implementation.

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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 8/1/2008 11:25:07 AM   
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.If a person cannot wrap their mind around the mission of this game, then simply go out and play SCWAW, GGWAW, CEAW, & RTW and leave your crying towels at the door when you depart this thread......


Not getting "any" these days Falcon? I didn't realize that discussing a game is such a sensitive subject here. Lighten up.

When this game was released, it was presented as a teaching aid for school students learning about WW2. The game was misrepresented to prospective customers. Many who bought the game were not happy with what they got. I am among the many that most likely would not have made the purchase if I had known how wacked out the game plays-its just not my "cup of tea".
Many were also quite happy with the game as it was. That some enjoy it is fine with me-I am not looking down my nose at what other folks find entertaining (kiddy games can be fun too) or interesting-(wouldn't that be a little silly for a wargamer to do?). However, stating a few basic facts about the game seems completely reaonable to me, even if that includes what many would say is bad, along with the good. I view it as a friendly service-I appreciate the same service from others.

So, go play the game, and please, have some fun.


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RE: Making history - Gold edition released - 8/1/2008 2:11:16 PM   
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I haven't played it, but I can tell one immediate advantage is the price. Compared to another "historical" game called Hearts of Iron and Hearts of Iron 2, which still retails at over 30$, this might be a better option...Or not, whichever.

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