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GLIDER OIPERATIONS - 6/19/2008 9:15:20 PM   
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Are you able to implement Gliders?

In real world in Burma, the Allies Lunched a Huge "invation" more or less based on Gliders Only...

Thay were of course also used bu the Japanese, and also used in Europa by both Germany, UK, US and Sovjet..

With Gliders one can move huge amount of force into a consentrated area behind enamy lines, without the force having to be Paratroops...




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RE: GLIDER OIPERATIONS - 6/19/2008 10:38:03 PM   
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Short answer is no we debated this one long and hard and it is on my list for consideration later we ended up cutting the chindit infantry concept for release.

Instead out of the 5 Chindit Bdes (exl West African Bde that wasnt quite the same) - 14th/16th/23rd/77th and 111th two of them are para capable the other 3 are not - its not a perfect compromise by any stretch of the imagination but I didnt want to give the allies 5 mid 43 para Bdes so I compromised.

As I said not perfect but best we could come up with.

We want to revisit Chindit and Light Infantry concept later but we had to draw the line if we are to get this thing out there sometime.


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RE: GLIDER OIPERATIONS - 6/20/2008 5:48:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Short answer is no we debated this one long and hard and it is on my list for consideration later we ended up cutting the chindit infantry concept for release.

Instead out of the 5 Chindit Bdes (exl West African Bde that wasnt quite the same) - 14th/16th/23rd/77th and 111th two of them are para capable the other 3 are not - its not a perfect compromise by any stretch of the imagination but I didnt want to give the allies 5 mid 43 para Bdes so I compromised.

As I said not perfect but best we could come up with.

We want to revisit Chindit and Light Infantry concept later but we had to draw the line if we are to get this thing out there sometime.


Andy



That seems a fine compromise to me. The airborne parachute operation can be reinforced by airlanding follow on troops by transport aircraft.

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RE: GLIDER OIPERATIONS - 6/20/2008 6:28:20 PM   
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OK, looks good that ye

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RE: GLIDER OIPERATIONS - 6/20/2008 8:48:43 PM   
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What about glider operations (Allied and Japanese alike) in general, though? Any hope for it sometime in the future? Gliders enable the delivery of much heavier equipment with the paradrops (or just really concentrated insertion), so it's not at all the same as just jumping out of a plane and hoping to land within a few miles of the target.

Besides, it would be pretty cool to have gliders in the aircraft database :D

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RE: GLIDER OIPERATIONS - 6/20/2008 10:44:11 PM   
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I think RHS?CHS put them(plus the towing aircraft) in database but they work only for paratroopers in assault.

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RE: GLIDER OIPERATIONS - 6/21/2008 12:32:15 AM   
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It seems that they would need to come up with a piece of code to actually allow transport aircraft to "tow" them somehow, as well as pieces of code relating to relatively more casualties on landing in densely forested/urban terrain (although, with hexes this large, maybe not).

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RE: GLIDER OIPERATIONS - 6/21/2008 2:43:46 AM   
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You can somewhat model it making a transport plane slower and much less maneuverable. With current code it is impossible to model the assault phase and the broken gliders, tough they arent dificult to replace. Maybe a very low durability can make them comparable to IRL.

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RE: GLIDER OIPERATIONS - 6/21/2008 9:20:19 AM   
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Well, they'd naturally need to add more code, which is what I'm hoping for (maybe in the 5th patch for AE or so)? There are really two problems - towing (and the effect that has on the vulnerability and range of the transport planes) and the fact that gliders are basically single-use items. I suppose a crude way of modeling it would just "assume" gliders in an airborne operation (of certain characteristics) and adjust casualties on landing and other such things accordingly. There is no absolute need to have gliders as a separate aircraft (however awesome that would be).

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RE: GLIDER OIPERATIONS - 6/21/2008 1:02:14 PM   
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Like i said towing is not a problem now that you have more slots. You just have to make a version of transport plane performance towing the glider: Less maneuverality, speed etc. The problem is it with eventual re-use in next day. If it is a 20 plane squadron it is not dificult to imagine another 20 gliders stored in airbase for next day operation, another is a 500-1000 plane attack. The big problem are mostly in the fact that you cant use other units than paratroopers. I guess that even the casuality rate of a paradrop is not far of a casualiy rate of a glider attack so that is already in the code.

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RE: GLIDER OIPERATIONS - 6/22/2008 12:07:44 AM   
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But there is a problem with towing - if you set up a "glider-carrying" version of a transport plane, it's obviously not interchangeable with a regular transport plane. You still need to add the code to switch between the two modes. Besides, in some cases (particularly with Soviet gliders), the towing aircraft were bombers, not transport planes (although this point is less relevant in this theater).

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RE: GLIDER OIPERATIONS - 6/23/2008 12:40:33 AM   
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You could make a plane upgrade to Glider towing version and back to it again, same for the bomber.

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RE: GLIDER OIPERATIONS - 6/23/2008 3:09:36 AM   
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no offense Japan but your spelling sucks....

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RE: GLIDER OIPERATIONS - 6/24/2008 12:17:59 AM   
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I don't think gliders would add anything but, I would like to see is airborne troop & supply drops allowed on non base hexes!

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RE: GLIDER OIPERATIONS - 6/24/2008 7:12:36 PM   
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I second that.

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