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RE: Mafia - 5/15/2008 11:38:36 PM   
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You can say that again JD!

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RE: Mafia - 5/16/2008 12:25:36 AM   
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I have to say I played it on XBOX and it dragged. I finished it and loved the ending but it was no GTA.



Wrong, wrong, wrong. Perhaps you should read reviews before buying crappy console versions of superb pc games. The xbox version of mafia is inferior to pc one in all ways:

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If you only played the Xbox version of Mafia, you'd still get a sense of the game's ambitious nature, but you'd also miss out on the original PC version's outstandingly good presentation.


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Unfortunately, despite the relatively high power of Microsoft's system, this version is closer in quality to the recently released PlayStation 2 version than to the impressive PC original. It's still a pretty good Xbox game here and now, but you should be able to find a far superior version of it in your local game shop's PC bargain bin.


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In the PC version of the game, the story unfolded via lengthy cutscenes rendered with the game's impressive 3D engine. On the Xbox, these cutscenes have been rendered into videos, and they don't look quite as good today as they used to.


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On the PC, the strikingly authentic presentation of the city of Lost Heaven made these driving sequences wonderful to behold, even though they were naturally slow-paced. On the Xbox, the city itself looks quite bland. Flat, blurry textures are everywhere, buildings noticeably just pop up on the horizon as you approach them, the power lines running between buildings look ugly, and more.


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What's particularly annoying is that you'll end up having to frequently drive from one side of Lost Heaven to the other, but just as you cross the midpoint of the city, a loading screen jarringly appears, though at least the loading period here is faster than on the PlayStation 2. The driving sequences in the PC version of Mafia were all about atmosphere, but on the Xbox, this is largely missing


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The PC version of Mafia presented a surprisingly detailed simulation of what it might be like to drive around on old streets in old cars. You needed to obey traffic laws by stopping at red lights, not exceeding the speed limit, and things like that, or else cops in the vicinity would pull you over and give you a citation. Of course, the mob foots the bill, so a citation is just an inconvenience. On the Xbox, since the driving often just feels like a chore, at least you don't have to worry about this stuff quite as much. The speed limit has been increased, as if to acknowledge that the best thing about the driving sequences is getting them out of the way as quickly as possible.


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The shooting sequences also suffer somewhat in translation to the Xbox, partly due to the decline in graphics and partly due to the controls, which were originally designed with a keyboard-and-mouse control scheme in mind.


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And, for some strange reason, in spite of the game's M rating and the ample presence of blood effects in the original PC version, there's no blood to be seen in the Xbox version's shoot-outs, which detracts from the game's visceral punch.


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The Xbox version of Mafia doesn't hold up to the PC original, so if you have the means of playing the latter version instead, you should.

Xbox review averige (40 reviews): 68%


Fact is you never played the REAL mafia so theres no way you can know how good it really is! GTA better than mafia? In your dreams perhaps!


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RE: Mafia - 5/16/2008 4:31:08 PM   
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What say you, Orange? Only £4.99!

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RE: Mafia - 5/16/2008 6:05:54 PM   
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Judge,

You've only "completed" three games? I guess my question is what counts as completion - can a non-story game like a wargame actually be "completed" by your definition. With all your wargames, have you never played through a scenario or campaign all the way?

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RE: Mafia - 5/16/2008 9:10:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zakhal

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Perhaps you should read reviews before buying crappy console versions of superb pc games. The xbox version of mafia is inferior to pc one in all ways:

Fact is you never played the REAL mafia so theres no way you can know how good it really is! GTA better than mafia? In your dreams perhaps!



Zakhal,

This is good information and I am glad to hear it. The criticisms of the game mimicked my feelings when I played it on the XBOX. I may go get it for the PC now.

But I will stick with my assertion that it is no GTA. GTA is a phenomenal game.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/254416


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RE: Mafia - 5/16/2008 9:12:28 PM   
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I'll look into it. I certainly will look at the reviews of the different versions before I buy Mafia II.

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RE: Mafia - 5/16/2008 9:51:50 PM   
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Hi Orange,

The xbox version is probably sub-par. If you can get the PC version you may like it!

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RE: Mafia - 5/16/2008 11:27:22 PM   
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Judge,

You've only "completed" three games? I guess my question is what counts as completion - can a non-story game like a wargame actually be "completed" by your definition. With all your wargames, have you never played through a scenario or campaign all the way?

Regards,

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Well, there's the thing. Some (quite a few I have) can't be completed really. And even if you do, you can play another and have different results (Falcon 4:Allied Force, GTR2).

I should've thrown in there COTA...I completed all the missions, ergo it has been completed. Combat Mission (1,2,3 and Shock Force) nope...

But that was the point of my post I think. I pretty much "need" a good story to keep me in there.

Kharkov, as a recent example, like CM, keeps getting picked up and advanced...maybe a few turns, maybe a mission. Now, I would say Kharkov has some of the best written briefings (that I've seen so far...even the tutorial briefings were interesting)...but they are still textual, and therefore of limited appeal to me. These "types" of games fail, quite often, to hook me in. And that is in no way restricted to wargames, but most of the genre suffers from that "hook" factor.

As I said in the original post, it appears, from the games I completed, that a good story is what keeps me playing to the end.

I yearn for the day when I fire up one of your games, Erik, and I'm presented with a map with moving arrows showing axis of advance, defensive positions and a wee video showing a briefing to troops and a "verbal" briefing...given with punch and enthusiasm.

'course, all the hard liners will get out there cot because the time required for such features should be allocated to gaming...so I'll leave it as my wish.

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RE: Mafia - 9/15/2008 5:33:56 PM   
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Finally got around to picking this up! What a cracking game. Played through it yesterday and got as far as the racetrack bit, had to give up on it though when I realised it was 2.30 am Talk about suck you in!

Did a fair bit of cursing when I first installed it and it wouldn't run on my Vista machine, but using my google-fu I came up with the solution -

windows vista service pack 1
Mafia patch 1.2/1.3 eng (more commonly found as 1.2 even though it's 1.3)
on the setup options, in the auto run option click the follwing:
Triple Buffering
Vertical synch
Refresh rate 60hz
Bit depth 32
Truecolour
Compressed
(open expert settings)
hardware transform/lighting
Clip always

After doing that it runs like a charm.

I'm off to have another crack at that racetrack


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RE: Mafia - 9/15/2008 6:22:12 PM   
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The race track will get done...it is difficult and I was close to giving up several times...but the game just goes from great to fantastic. One of THE best games I ever had the pleasure to play. Mainly, I think, because of th story. And you just do not get bored driving round that city!

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RE: Mafia - 9/15/2008 6:54:39 PM   
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The race is by far the hardest part of the game. I think I must have tried about 30 times the first time I finished the game.

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RE: Mafia - 9/15/2008 10:02:04 PM   
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i had to use a cheat to win at the race track - it was that or throw the damn game out of the window - worth it though - i cant remember now but i think after the race track you have to get the car back to the garage undamaged, that pleased the cheat worked and i could move on i drove straight into the wall!!!

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RE: Mafia - 9/15/2008 11:02:02 PM   
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That undamaged car mission is right before the race, where you have to steal the opponents' super car, get it sabotaged and return it.

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RE: Mafia - 9/15/2008 11:23:59 PM   
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do you not drive the car again after the race?

nice new avatar art by the way

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RE: Mafia - 9/15/2008 11:29:12 PM   
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Nope, and thanks.

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RE: Mafia - 9/15/2008 11:46:57 PM   
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Finally won the race, with the help of my six year old daughter who was providing the cheering section. Lost count of how many attempts it took me. The fact that your car handles like a bathtub on wheels, especially after it picks up some damage, makes the race quite a challenge.

Now I'm stuck on the part where you have to go and beat the snot out of the thugs who were terrorising Sarah. Paulie, the dumb smuck, keeps getting himself killed

Haven't enjoyed a game as much as this since GTA:San Andreas. Love the 30's Americana atmosphere. I keep expecting to see Laurel and Hardy strolling down the sidewalk


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RE: Mafia - 9/15/2008 11:48:05 PM   
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lol - short and sweet, is it by any chance from an upcoming expansion to a popular game on this here forum?

favourite Mafia mission btw?

mine i think was the airport shoot out

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RE: Mafia - 9/15/2008 11:55:48 PM   
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I like the one at the airport as well, but also the parking garage.

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RE: Mafia - 9/16/2008 9:06:00 AM   
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Definitely the garage where you're meeting the booze runners

Just meant to say, I just thought the whole story clicked. Everything about the game, the setting, the music, the atmosphere, the city, the dialog (although cheesey in places)...everything just fitted.

I've found that with a couple of games...if they had a story, they were very enjoyable games. Max Payne was another. And Call of Duty 4...all great stories and were finished by me.

With Mafia...you just do not get bored driving around that city...and breaking the speed limit and getting chased by the cops, only to be able to hide in some alleyway is brilliant!

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RE: Mafia - 9/16/2008 9:43:03 AM   
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Mafia is one of the best games ever made IMO. It came out of nowhere and was unfortunatley released around the same time as the original GTA which stole all the thunder but Mafia was by far the better game. The atmosphere is frankly incredible and it still looks and sounds as good today as it did back then. A definite must buy for anyone.

Its one of the few games I have played that I didn't want to end. Its worth savouring every bit of.

I agree with JD that a decent storyline helps a lot. COD4 is a case in point.

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RE: Mafia - 9/25/2008 3:10:26 AM   
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I finished it and loved the ending but it was no GTA.

Unbelievable!  Are you SURE you are talking about the right Mafia game?  There were a few crappy ones under the same name.

I am not a shoot-em-up fan type of player, but I do make exceptions for some games, and Mafia was on the list.  I'm not sure, did they really make a Mafia II?  I'll definitely check that one out.

That car race level though was impossible.  I had to search the net and found that short-cut exploit to finish it.


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RE: Mafia - 9/25/2008 7:33:00 AM   
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I finished it and loved the ending but it was no GTA.

Unbelievable!  Are you SURE you are talking about the right Mafia game?  There were a few crappy ones under the same name.

I am not a shoot-em-up fan type of player, but I do make exceptions for some games, and Mafia was on the list.  I'm not sure, did they really make a Mafia II?  I'll definitely check that one out.

That car race level though was impossible.  I had to search the net and found that short-cut exploit to finish it.



There was a shortcut exploit???

Great game...great ending.

They haven't made Mafia II yet...it's in development as far as I know.

I never played GTA, but if it's beter than Mafia...WOW. Are you on about the original GTA, or the new one or what? AFAIK the first couple were top down games weren't they?

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RE: Mafia - 9/25/2008 9:25:08 AM   
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I never played GTA, but if it's beter than Mafia...WOW. Are you on about the original GTA, or the new one or what? AFAIK the first couple were top down games weren't they?


The first two were top down, the series went 3d with GTA III. I haven't played the latest version (believe its a console only release), but the 5th game in the series GTA:San Andreas is probably one of the best games I have ever played. Definitely better than Mafia, and I really love Mafia! Great story line, great graphics, huge environment and freedom to roam where you like throughout the game.
You can pick it up in Game for £15. Money well spent.

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RE: Mafia - 9/25/2008 9:52:01 AM   
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I never played GTA, but if it's beter than Mafia...WOW. Are you on about the original GTA, or the new one or what? AFAIK the first couple were top down games weren't they?


The first two were top down, the series went 3d with GTA III. I haven't played the latest version (believe its a console only release), but the 5th game in the series GTA:San Andreas is probably one of the best games I have ever played. Definitely better than Mafia, and I really love Mafia! Great story line, great graphics, huge environment and freedom to roam where you like throughout the game.
You can pick it up in Game for £15. Money well spent.

Well if GTA:SA was better than Mafia, then I will most definitely look into it

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RE: Mafia - 9/25/2008 10:18:30 AM   
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There was a shortcut exploit???



i think you had to complete the first lap, and then you could come in through the pits or something for the other 3 laps and you would be out in front each time - i remember it involved driving round an obstacle, a log or something - so far in past now.

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RE: Mafia - 9/25/2008 10:38:06 AM   
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I remember it now...but anytime I used it, it didn't count my lap...but then I probably didn't wait until the second lap and used it on the first...

I beat it fair and square...but it took me a very long time...and I did look for cheats to help...

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RE: Mafia - 9/25/2008 4:38:24 PM   
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I beat it fair and square...

I think what you did, is beat a later patch, where the problem was fixed so you actually had a chance in hell.


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RE: Mafia - 9/25/2008 4:44:27 PM   
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Nope...fair and square.

I didn't even know there was a patch for it until I recently re-bought it!

But I do playing racing games as well as strategy games, and have a wheel and pedals for my computer...so it was likely alot easier for me, though I still found it damned difficult

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RE: Mafia - 9/27/2008 11:03:51 PM   
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Just picked up GTA San Andreas today, from Steam...DD for $13.

It's good. Very, very free. Great city with quite a few things you can interact with. And it has a story I'm interested in...so looks like it might be on my hard drive for a while. I've already played it for about 3 hours today.

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