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Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame by ... - 3/16/2008 9:32:53 PM   
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Just wondering how many have played the "Big Blue Monster"? If you have what do you think about the differnces between this game and the board game? I personally miss the ability to control the surface and air battles but don't miss having to do all the logistics by hand. There is so much more that a computer can handle (pilot exp, damged vs destroyed a/c, etc.). Just ondering who out there has even seen the monster of all monster games (with the possible exception of Nato Division Commander)

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/16/2008 10:15:45 PM   
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SSI published boardgames?

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/16/2008 10:20:04 PM   
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Actually, i think i had a magazine that SSI published that used to have a "free" game in it... one of them was a Pacific wargame, although i forget the title... i spent many hours with that game...

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/16/2008 10:34:27 PM   
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I have, you had to have a large room for the 9 or 10 map sheet it took. Plus all of the production sheets. Wheee - lots of fun.

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/17/2008 3:12:18 AM   
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I think that they're talking about SPI. Wasn't their monster named USN?

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/17/2008 3:28:27 AM   
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I think it actually was by SPI and no, it was called War in the Pacific. The new revamped version by Decision Games is only $420.00USD. If you want to order a copy, here is the linky

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/17/2008 3:38:33 AM   
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Right SPI, not SSI.

BTW, the magazine i mentioned was "Strategy and Tactics".

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/17/2008 3:56:13 AM   
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I have SPI's War in the Pacific. I bought it in 1979. I still have it. It was 7 maps and about 3200 counters. We only had the game set up twice. We never got past turn 1.

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/17/2008 3:57:34 AM   
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Didn't think SSI had released boardgames, but for some reason I couldn't remember SPI...

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/17/2008 4:21:40 AM   
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If I had a place to set it up and leave it up I would have. Keeping track of all those counters was going to be ugly. China looked like it would have taken a lot of time. There were partisan units.

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/17/2008 4:27:31 AM   
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$420 for that? Hopefully we won;t hear anyone complain about the $69 our WitP costs....

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/17/2008 4:31:32 AM   
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The thing has over 4000 counters in it. I think it would be great to play but I don't have the time. It would probably take 4 to 6 hours just to move your units for a turn. I can generally move my units in WITP in an hour. I also probably take 1 to 2 hours thinking about my move in a PBEM. In a game against the AI I try to take no more than 20 thinking about the move and 20 to 30 executing it.

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/17/2008 5:19:52 AM   
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I still have my copy of it.  I got the map taped together and then laminated.  It hangs from a wall in my office and is magnificent when I play THIS game!


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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/17/2008 7:41:09 AM   
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At one time I had two copies. Sadly, I now have none after some hurried moves and some water leakage problems years ago. I and my friend George played about 18 months into the war before I moved away. We had played about 90 full and about 120 partial games of War in Europe also by SPI. That was a long time ago. I think I was a lot younger then.

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/17/2008 1:28:54 PM   
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I had the original until last year.  I sold it on ebay for about $300 and bought the Decision Games remake for $340.  Much prettier.  My goal's to play it when I retire.

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/18/2008 2:54:41 AM   
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USN was a S&T magazine game. David and I played that game for a couple of years wearing out 3 different maps. Got me on my way to all things War in the Pacific.

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I think that they're talking about SPI. Wasn't their monster named USN?



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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/18/2008 3:16:25 AM   
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I played USN in college. I had a double room to myself. A friend and I set up the map on the spare desk. We played that game for 3 months doing about 2 turns a week. We had a lot of fun with it.

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S&T's USN Game - 3/18/2008 5:59:42 AM   
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late in 1971 or early in 1972 Jim Dunnigan's S&T (Strategy & Tactics) magazine publsihed a single map game of WWII in the Pacific titled USN. It had counters for single ships and squadrons of aircraft, with 2 week turns and a very strict set of supply rules (forget to get your ships back to port or refuel them and they sink!)

I don't recall the production rules.

It was a great game to play - simple to learn, easy to set up, and you got a fairly good idea of the strategic problems that both sides faced.

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/18/2008 6:25:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vettim89
Just wondering how many have played the "Big Blue Monster"? If you have what do you think about the differnces between this game and the board game? I personally miss the ability to control the surface and air battles but don't miss having to do all the logistics by hand. There is so much more that a computer can handle (pilot exp, damged vs destroyed a/c, etc.). Just ondering who out there has even seen the monster of all monster games (with the possible exception of Nato Division Commander)


I own both the SPI version and Decision Games remake version, though I’ve only ever played the original SPI game. I enjoyed the original even though all the games we started ended within a year or so due to problems with the rules as written.

I’ve heard there is a modified version of the original rules set out there that makes the game playable. If there is I’d recommend finding those and applying them to the new game as its rules set threw out all the logistics rules in favor of a command point system.

What this does is make battles like Guadalcanal pointless since there is no need to get supplies to a forward base. If you simply allocate command points to an HQ, the supplies are assumed to be on hand. To me this defeats the purpose of 80% of the naval aspect of the war.

I’d probably prefer to play the board game over the computer game due to the social aspect of face to face play. But nowadays it is pretty much impossible to find an opponent for a game like this within 500 miles. And finding someone who can play on a regular enough basis to satisfy your WitP addiction is probably impossible. So if it comes down to a choice, get the PC game.

Here’s an old thread I started when I bought the Decision Games version:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1248772&mpage

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/19/2008 1:10:40 AM   
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Coach Z and I tried it a few times way back, but we never got very far (mostly due to my sloppy interpretation of the rules, he will surely claim).

I remember my mother bought the game for me at the SPI HQ in NYC and they advised her that it was too complicated for me, a High School kid. They may have been right...

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/19/2008 5:48:21 AM   
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Edited - maker as SPi.  My brother and I played it in HS.  We set it up in my basement a fe years ago before my ex and I separated.  Got to Feb 42 before calling it.  Just a time commitment thing.   One thing I liked about ti was the players could control Air-To-Surface combat and Surface-To-Surface combat directly

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/19/2008 6:06:42 AM   
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the 3 T's To Long......TO much.......To Complex. I can remembergoing to the game convention in Ann Harbor Mich. in 77 and watching a group of guys set up the thing and play the first few turns. If I had bought it then and left it unplayed I could have sold it for a bunch. I thought at the time that there is a limit to what the human brain can deal with and the game pushed it a bit for me. I also found the maps to be a bit bland and to much info on them.

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/19/2008 6:16:34 AM   
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quote:

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At one time I had two copies. Sadly, I now have none after some hurried moves and some water leakage problems years ago. I and my friend George played about 18 months into the war before I moved away. We had played about 90 full and about 120 partial games of War in Europe also by SPI. That was a long time ago. I think I was a lot younger then.

I knew one guy who mounted the map on a sheet metal and actually bought enough of those magnetic unit clips to set them up on the map. Playing that game was his hobby but to me it had almost 0 for single player. I think he had a guy from his company he owned that played with him. He had a qhole room in his big house that he called "The War Room" and it was very impresive to see that wall mounted map and all them production sheets laid out under clear plexaglass.

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/19/2008 6:18:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark VII

USN was a S&T magazine game. David and I played that game for a couple of years wearing out 3 different maps. Got me on my way to all things War in the Pacific.

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I think that they're talking about SPI. Wasn't their monster named USN?



With Who? finding 2 guys that would be willing to play that monster would be almost impossible LOL

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/19/2008 3:36:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark VII

USN was a S&T magazine game. David and I played that game for a couple of years wearing out 3 different maps. Got me on my way to all things War in the Pacific.

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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I think that they're talking about SPI. Wasn't their monster named USN?



With Who? finding 2 guys that would be willing to play that monster would be almost impossible LOL

orly?

In 1985 Halsey and I (along with Mike Scholl and perhaps one or two others here) participated in a nine-day double blind moderated WitP marathon in Richmond VA. We had the entire floor of some old downtown hotel to ourselves, and there were two games going. Each game had three complete boards set up, one in a common room for the mods, and one each for the Allied and IJ teams in private rooms. Our game had a two-player IJ team going against the 6-7 man Allied team. Playing nearly around the clock and making weekly turns we got to 6/44. That was great fun.

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/19/2008 4:49:28 PM   
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Well, what was the status of each side at the end?

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/19/2008 4:51:02 PM   
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Were you a part of that Monstergaming Society in VA?

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/19/2008 4:51:41 PM   
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Well, what was the status of each side at the end?

i'm betting they were both extremely tired...

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RE: Wondering - how many have played the WiTP boardgame... - 3/19/2008 6:00:26 PM   
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Were you a part of that Monstergaming Society in VA?

They organized the event. Halsey and I weren't actual members but managed to wrangle invites somehow or other, can't really remember some of the details after 23(!) years.


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Well, what was the status of each side at the end?

i'm betting they were both extremely tired...

I do remember that in 9 nights I got a total of 25 hours sleep. Livin' on coffee and Vivarin....

I'd say our game ended with both sides feeling they had won. Since we didn't get to the end of the war, there is no way to say. In 6/44 the Allies had just taken Rota and had invaded Timor. Given that we had lost 4 US CVs by 2/42 (no respawning!), we were feeling pretty good that we didn't just quit the first day!

Both sides felt victorious, can't ask for much more than that. That was a fun week.

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