From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
I appreciate the tone of your post but the US doesn't "provide" Australia with military hardware, we buy it, just as you occasionally do from other countries too (and even Australian gear. Jindivik anyone?). This keeps American defence workers in jobs and helps offset the R&D costs.
What annoyed me was that I started a serious thread about an important topic and he posted imbecilic, trolly garbage. Now, that's his prerogative but he shouldn't be surprised if he gets an arse kicking. His accusation that we can't defend ourselves also grated when I had a career in the Australian Air Force and the Australian Defence force (ADF) is considered to be among the most efficient and capable in the world.
No, Neilster I don't think you appreciated the tone of my post at all. If you did, you wouldn't have responded with the flippant comment splitting hairs over the term "provide".
What you don't seem to appreciate was the ingratiating tone of your original post that was rife with entitlement mentality. My guess is that the few caustic responses you got were as a direct result of the entitlement mentality evident in that first post. Entitlement mentality is the excliusive pervue of the liberals of our society.
Conservatives tend to stomp on it whenever they encounter it and it takes only a smattering of common sense to figure that the majority of people you encounter on a wargame forum will likely be conservatives as liberals tend to want nothing to do with the study of warfare.
A "Hey guys, we really deserve this, don't you think you ought to share it with us?" approach rather than a "Hey guys we are entitled to this so you should stop being jerks and let us buy it" approach would have gone long way toward precluding the responses you found so offensive.
Cheers back at ya!
Hope there are no hard feelings.
This is what I originally wrote...
The new Australian government wants the option to buy F-22 Raptors, which I believe would require a law change in the US. Defence experts here have been loudly calling for this but the previous government appeared to be on the drugs when it came to defence acquisition.
Their mystifying decision to retire the F-111 early and bridge the gap until the F-35 with (outrageously expensive IMHO) Super Hornets has been roundly criticised. The F-35 may not reach RAAF squadrons until 2018ish, leaving Australia's air defence to 24 Super Hornets and updated but aging F-18s in the meantime. There's an ongoing build-up of pretty hot Russian fighters armed with scary weaponry in our region and by 2018 there's a good chance that the 5th generation Russian "Raptorski" could be in service with our northern neighbours.
In short, the F-111 shouldn't be retired and we should request F-22s. The Triple One has unique capabilities, had a massive upgrade in the late 90s and is not that expensive to maintain. The F-22 is in service, is extremely capable, has room for capability growth and has a unit price that is coming down. A nice fat order from Oz will keep the production line open and bring down the unit price for the US taxpayer too (because I think the USAF will be buying more).
IMHO the US would be foolish to deny Australia F-22s and let us lose our regional air superiority. Australia has been a trustworthy and loyal ally and it seems like a win/win situation to sell us some Raptors.
Now exactly what in that suggests "Hey guys we are entitled to this so you should stop being jerks and let us buy it"? I used the word "request" and suggested that this could be a symbiotic relationship.
You have misrepresented my position and dragged the whole "liberals vs conservatives" war into this. I also wasn't splitting hairs over the word "provide" either. You used it in the context of the US being taken for granted and it has connotations of charity.