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Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/11/2008 3:05:00 PM   
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I apologize, I'm sure there are questions regarding the editor interspersed within all the different AE threads stickied at top but I for one would really would like to see editor questions under one roof.

Looking at the Editor screen shot there are two check boxes in the lower right hand corner which say: "Convert to Class" and "Convert From Class". I'm very curious how these work? My guess is one or both of them have something to do with converting Large AKs to various auxiliary ships. If this is the case, does it mean that a modder could conceivably create it where an AK would convert into a CVE?

Sorry if this has been asked before.

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EDIT: OK I've looked through about half the replies in the Navy thread and didn't see this mentioned so far.


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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/11/2008 6:01:47 PM   
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The idea is that you take one ship class as a base line (any type), and generate a bunch of classes that the first ship class can convert into. Then you group them together, by assigning all the classes the same number, and the editor takes care of the rest.

It replaces the old hard-coded AK -> auxiliary system, and can be used for any class and any ship type. You can also make the chain circular, so class A can convert to classes B, C, and D and then back to A again, to start from the top. That way, you can simulate (for instance) the Japanese minesweepers which converted to PC's and back again.

It's a very excellent tool for modders. I'm really looking forward to getting my mitts on it.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/11/2008 6:08:36 PM   
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I was interested in finding out if the disband dates for land/air units are editable? Also how about ship withdraw? Sorry if I missed any answers if they were in other threads.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/11/2008 6:12:43 PM   
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Agree.


The convert to/from editor option is one of the most exciting aspects of the new AE game and editor. I doubt we even understand all the capabilities yet. But another way of characterizing this feature is to say it combines the old "AK" conversion to like AE, AR, AS, etc. as well as the old hardcoded conversions like Ise/Hyuga and Chiyoda/Chitose. Now none of this is hardcoded and anyships can be set up - in the editor to convert to/from anything to anything.



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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/11/2008 6:17:17 PM   
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Thanks Terminus! AE is going to be a modders dream!!

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/11/2008 6:24:37 PM   
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I was interested in finding out if the disband dates for land/air units are editable? Also how about ship withdraw? Sorry if I missed any answers if they were in other threads.


Fully editable. The AE editor is superb.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/11/2008 6:30:20 PM   
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And the "Upgrade Shipyard Size" field? My guess is that we will be able manually set the number of shipbuilding points a ship consumes in the Japanese build queue? That way submarine shipbuilding points won't be tied to the diving depth of the sub? I hope that is the case. Never could understand that relation.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/11/2008 6:31:43 PM   
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Is there anything left that is hard-wired to a slot number? I am thinking particularly of restricted HQs and the like.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/11/2008 6:32:04 PM   
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Er, no. That one designates the minimum shipyard size needed for that particular upgrade.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/11/2008 6:38:03 PM   
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On the land side the hardcoded list is minimised to

1. Restricted HQ'S
2. Invasion scenario ranges

I have kept and would ask that modders keep a few slots free at the end of both the Japanese and Allied ranges in case we need to do anything but there are c 8,000 land slots now for units and TOE's so keeping 50 or 60 free at the end should not be a great hardship

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/11/2008 6:41:51 PM   
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Er, no. That one designates the minimum shipyard size needed for that particular upgrade.


Ok. I see. I was hoping that there was a way to make certain subs have a decent diving depth but also be cheap to build. I suppose that won't be that much of a problem anyway. The main problem I had with that in the stock editor was in trying to place midget subs in the build queue. Some have decent diving depth but then that makes them innordinately expensive to build. However, I saw somewhere (I think) that midget subs will be treated like barges and PT boats and created at bases using supply points. So off the cuff I guess that won't be a big problem.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/11/2008 6:51:48 PM   
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On the land side the hardcoded list is minimised to

1. Restricted HQ'S
2. Invasion scenario ranges

I have kept and would ask that modders keep a few slots free at the end of both the Japanese and Allied ranges in case we need to do anything but there are c 8,000 land slots now for units and TOE's so keeping 50 or 60 free at the end should not be a great hardship

Andy


Will modders be able to add to the Restricted HQ list? Not a big deal if not.

However, it WOULD be great if modders could add to the number of command HQs that show up in the game which players are able assign their units too. Right now there is a set number of HQs like that. Because of restrictions to the number of command HQ slots, CHS had to use New Zealand Command to create an India Command and therefore combine New Zealand and Australia into the same ANZAC Command.

Also, I guess there is no way (or maybe it's too late in the development process) to create a toggle box for whether or not a command is a restricted one or not? Again, not a big deal if this isn't the case, just a thought.

Thanks.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/11/2008 6:59:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Norm3

I was interested in finding out if the disband dates for land/air units are editable? Also how about ship withdraw? Sorry if I missed any answers if they were in other threads.


Yes on all. And the AE editor really is superb.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/11/2008 7:19:54 PM   
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Restricted command slots are not editable unfortuantely you can now have 8,000 command HQ's if you like there is no 'magic' HQ range now.

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On the land side the hardcoded list is minimised to

1. Restricted HQ'S
2. Invasion scenario ranges

I have kept and would ask that modders keep a few slots free at the end of both the Japanese and Allied ranges in case we need to do anything but there are c 8,000 land slots now for units and TOE's so keeping 50 or 60 free at the end should not be a great hardship

Andy


Will modders be able to add to the Restricted HQ list? Not a big deal if not.

However, it WOULD be great if modders could add to the number of command HQs that show up in the game which players are able assign their units too. Right now there is a set number of HQs like that. Because of restrictions to the number of command HQ slots, CHS had to use New Zealand Command to create an India Command and therefore combine New Zealand and Australia into the same ANZAC Command.

Also, I guess there is no way (or maybe it's too late in the development process) to create a toggle box for whether or not a command is a restricted one or not? Again, not a big deal if this isn't the case, just a thought.

Thanks.


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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/14/2008 9:34:08 PM   
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One more question regarding conversions...

Is the amount of time a newly converted ship will spend in the reinforcement queue adjustable in the editor? In other words if I want to make DDs convertable to APDs, that might only take a couple months for the ship to show back up in theatre but converting an AK to a CVE could be set for a greater length of time?

Thanks.

EDIT: Also a couple more questions:

1) Is there a way to set the bases in the editor in which a ship can be converted? In other words instead of only having San Fran or Osaka as places where ships can be converted is it possible to set in the editor other such bases, maybe San Diego or Kure. I suspect the answer is "no" but it would be great if the answer were "yes".

2) Are there any practical limits to conversions? In other words, say I wanted to do this:

When a ship is upgraded, instead of leaving it in port with some system damage, throw it back into the reinforcement queue for a month or so. (Of course this would mean giving the Japanese substantially more shipbuilding points to make up for the added ships in the reinforcement queue.)

Thanks.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/14/2008 10:03:31 PM   
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Q) - Is the amount of time a newly converted ship will spend in the reinforcement queue adjustable in the editor?

No. Time to convert is hard coded in accord with a conversion table.

Q) - but converting an AK to a CVE could be set for a greater length of time?

Technically, yes; a much longer time (try at least a year), but it won’t happen in any case.

Q) - Is there a way to set the bases in the editor in which a ship can be converted?

No. Think about it Gary; ships are converted at a shipyard. Aux warships are converted to other Aux warships at a Naval shipyard.

Q) - Are there any practical limits to conversions?

I do not understand the question

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/14/2008 10:16:16 PM   
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quote:

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One more question regarding conversions...

Is the amount of time a newly converted ship will spend in the reinforcement queue adjustable in the editor? In other words if I want to make DDs convertable to APDs, that might only take a couple months for the ship to show back up in theatre but converting an AK to a CVE could be set for a greater length of time?



Conversion don't work that way anymore. A converted ship does NOT go into the reinforcement queue. It stays right where it is with both damage and a fitting out delay.

Damage is from the editor of the convert-to class. It is just plain old damage, and can have a shipyard requirement as well.

Fitting out delay is a minimum time required to make a conversion. This is a program controlled value based on the convert from and convert to classes. Even if the ship is fully repaired, it is not usable until it completes fitting out. Convert from an AK to an AV and you might get a few points of systems damage, but also a few weeks minimum fitting out time. It ain't an AV until fitted out.

And, for all you sneaky types out there, some type-to-type conversions will be set to forever plus a day. PT to a BB for instance.


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1) Is there a way to set the bases in the editor in which a ship can be converted? In other words instead of only having San Fran or Osaka as places where ships can be converted is it possible to set in the editor other such bases, maybe San Diego or Kure. I suspect the answer is "no" but it would be great if the answer were "yes".




No, but not the no you expected. Ships can be converted at ANY port that is large enough. "Large Enough" is a comparison between port size and ship size (expressed in tonnage). Little ships in little ports, big ships in big ports. Too early for exact details, but you could convert a PT to an MGB in a level 1 port.

Or, if the convert-to class specifies a minimum shipyard size, a shipyard of that size (or larger) must be present. It can already be full of other ships, just has to be there. You can convert a big ship in a big shipyard, even if the shipyard is in a small port.

The National Home ports (Osaka, San Francisco, etc) can convert any ship.

All this represents reasonable places to do the work, with the Home Ports as a catch all.


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2) Are there any practical limits to conversions? In other words, say I wanted to do this:

When a ship is upgraded, instead of leaving it in port with some system damage, throw it back into the reinforcement queue for a month or so. (Of course this would mean giving the Japanese substantially more shipbuilding points to make up for the added ships in the reinforcement queue.)

Thanks.


As I said, conversions do not go into the reinforcement queue. They stay on board and eat up repair capability. They also can be attacked, receive additional damage, have priority repairs specified, have repairs suspended due to other ships getting priority, or be painted a different color.



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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/14/2008 10:45:44 PM   
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Thank you JWE and Don. That answers my questions. Thinking twice about it, it does make sense that converting ships should be potential targets in port attacks.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/16/2008 9:48:10 PM   
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Terminus, thanks for your reply. Another quick question about withdraws, do i understand correctly that you can determine the exact ship to be withdrawn?

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/16/2008 9:50:03 PM   
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There's an editor field for that in every single ship slot...

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/16/2008 9:57:48 PM   
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Sorry Dan, I got another question. Will there be more National Home ports (Osaka, San Francisco, etc) that can convert any ship? It is a major pain to have to send allied AKs all the way to SF to convert to ARs, ASs, AVs, ect.

Thanks again for all your fine work.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/16/2008 9:58:56 PM   
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You guys are gonna make me weep with joy for a long time. Thanks

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/16/2008 10:05:08 PM   
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quote:

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Sorry Don, I got another question. Will there be more National Home ports (Osaka, San Francisco, etc) that can convert any ship? It is a major pain to have to send allied AKs all the way to SF to convert to ARs, ASs, AVs, ect.

Thanks again for all your fine work.


The hard coding for conversion of ships is permanently gone. Each conversion has a minimum size of shipyard.

I should probably stop answering these questions, seeing as how I'm not on the development team any more.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/16/2008 10:18:23 PM   
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Thanks for the help anyway. All of you long time members continually provide great info for us, so thanks for being a great resource.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/16/2008 10:28:15 PM   
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The hard coding for conversion of ships is permanently gone. Each conversion has a minimum size of shipyard.

I should probably stop answering these questions, seeing as how I'm not on the development team any more.


Sorry to hear you're no longer on the AE team.

I'm almost finished with the artwork for the alternative history Japanese fleet I've been working on. I know you'll be modding when AE comes out. Let me know if you ever want me to do some graphics for you.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 1/17/2008 12:47:41 AM   
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The hard coding for conversion of ships is permanently gone. Each conversion has a minimum size of shipyard.
I should probably stop answering these questions, seeing as how I'm not on the development team any more.


Sorry to hear you're no longer on the AE team.


I'm sorry too. Please keep answering, T. We love ya baby !!

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 2/9/2008 3:29:13 AM   
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One more editor question:

This may be a little off the wall but, will editor data currently in WITP scenarios be transferable to AE scenarios via the new editor? In other words, will I be able to open old WITP scenarios in the AE editor and copy and paste entries from the old scenario into a new AE scenario?

Thanks.

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 2/9/2008 7:46:43 AM   
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hehe that would be cool - but nope ... the editor files between wITP and AE are not compatible or convertable. Using witpload from stock witp and from excel cutting and pasting to witploadep extract .. will be the easiest way to convert. BUt automatic conversion is not possible due to a number of reasons.



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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 4/6/2010 1:34:28 PM   
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Resurrecting an old thread :).

I would like to ask if there is any way to add another nation to the game? (germans)
The editor has 3 free slots (N3, N17, N19). Can i name these? How can i add related art (flags, icons)?

I'd like to add the germans as a "co-nation" to the Japs of course...

Thanks in advance!

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RE: Admirals Edition Editor Thread - 4/6/2010 2:23:57 PM   
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Resurrecting an old thread :).

I would like to ask if there is any way to add another nation to the game? (germans)
The editor has 3 free slots (N3, N17, N19). Can i name these? How can i add related art (flags, icons)?

I'd like to add the germans as a "co-nation" to the Japs of course...

Thanks in advance!


Sorry, but no. The code must also be changed for new nations. The ones that are empty in the editor are "skipped" in the program.

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