From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
I'm not on about slowing the game down, I'm talking about two specific tackles and "the general consensus" being that southern hemisphere refs being more lenient in general...sometimes that's a good thing, as you say, to keep the ball moving. I was specifically talking about unruly play hence the comments "hard stuff" and "professional fouling". Both of these instances should be dealt with, by warning or, if severe enough, a card.
But in this particular game, both players should have seen the yellow card and been off for ten minutes to cool down.
We'll have to agree to disagree
You say that, but I would say you are correct in that the northern hem refs seem alot more stringent, picky and defiant in slowing the game down...so we agree there. I'm currently watching the Scotland Romania match and I'm screaming at the ref to let the ball come before calling time on advantage!
But those two players should've been booked. That we will disagree on.
I'm all for open, free flowing play, but were absolutely necessary, discipline has to be maintained, and I think knocking a player to the ground with a blatant and dangerous shoulder charge should be sin binned. One of the major strengths discipline-wise rugby has over footie is the respect shown to the referees and the availability of the sin bin. I personally think it's a strength and should be used more for dangerous tackles deliberate and repeated slowing down of play.
Yes, you're right. I didn't realise you were referring to those two incidents and I was a bit "tired and emotional" when watching the game and couldn't remember them very well. The first was a pretty cowardly, late, "Venus de Milo" (no arms) tackle by the Welsh captain on a young player as revenge for his good play that set up a try. The second was payback by Mortlock. That's never a good thing, although in this case the original perpetrator was too concussed to continue, so justice was served.