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Better than FoF? - 6/21/2007 10:42:51 PM   

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Well - for those who have both games - what's you opinion? Is one better than the other?

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RE: Better than FoF? - 6/21/2007 11:31:03 PM   

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RE: Better than FoF? - 6/21/2007 11:38:35 PM   

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I prefer the AGEOD game, but I wouldn't say it's necessarily 'better'. I prefer messing about with army structures rather than messing about with the economy and production, particularly when the latter is handled in such abstract fashion. I also didn't think much of the FoF tactical combat and the absence of any equivalent in AGEOD was no great loss. It's a personal preference thing, really.

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RE: Better than FoF? - 6/22/2007 6:02:55 AM   

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Yeah, I prefer to manage units of men and horses instead of units of cotton and iron.


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RE: Better than FoF? - 6/22/2007 6:11:07 PM   

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I own and enjoy both. The real strength of the AGEOD game, in my view, is the map. The number of provinces is near perfect, allowing for substantial maneuver over varying terrain. Though I very much enjoy the detailed battles in FOF, I find the campaign map too abstracted. The AGEOD map offers just the right level of detail.

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RE: Better than FoF? - 6/26/2007 5:07:57 PM   
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The question isn't so much, which one is better, as how do they differ. They are very different games, trying to achieve different things, and each one pretty much succeeds at what it is trying to do.

FOF is strategic with the option of tactical battles. AACW is strategic-operational.
This results in very different maps. The FOF map has the major strategic zones, e.g., Middle Tennessee, Shenandoah, key stretches of river such, etc. AACW subdivides the same zones into "counties" that allow for operational maneuver. Some say that the choice between the games depends on whether you want tactical battles, but I totally enjoy FOF without ever having played the tactical battles. Others say it is the icing on the cake.

Both games have micromanagement, but of different aspects of the game. In FOF, you manage the economy, diplomacy, even the selection of weapons for your troops. In AACW, there is a somewhat complex army organization; there are many actions that are perhaps sub-strategic such as destroying and repairing railroads, and returning your ships to port fairly frequently for repair and supply.

In FOF, there are many options, so you can let the AI do almost anything, as well as fine tune certain aspects of game play, such as how long sieges take. AACW has a few options, such as FOW at different settings, one of which reduces the micromanagement of the naval aspects. Even at full micromanagement, I find I can play a turn of FOF in about half the time of AACW, since the latter has more units to attend to than the latter.

One of the major differences is that AACW is much more historically scripted, with leaders and armies arriving when and where and in the precise command they did historically, and events somewhat driving the action. FOF is more open-ended, which I happen to like, but many like more scripted games that have a bit of the flavor of historical reenactment. For example, in FOF, you place any available general (with sufficient stars) in any army, corps, or division. In AACW, they appear as they did historically, though you can subsequently reassign them.

In my experience, both games have really excellent AIs.

They are very different experiences, and both illuminate key aspects of the American Civil War. If you can, get both!

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RE: Better than FoF? - 6/26/2007 5:52:55 PM   

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Depends of what you call script... For example we have a political rating attached to each general, so that you just can't name Sherman in command of the AoP when he was just an unknown leader. So yes, AACW is more stringent than the game mechanic of FOF on this matter. There is no wrong choice here, some people prefer one way, some the other way. You can buy both


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RE: Better than FoF? - 6/26/2007 6:41:01 PM   

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I have to say I'm enjoying AACW more, but Fof is a very good game as well.  I found the tactical battles in FOF to be plodding and difficult to control (and I'm not exactly new at hex-based combat).  If the system of battle was a bit more intuitive, I might prefer FOF.

Nonetheless, I'm only in my first AACW campaign, it's Nov, 1861, and I don't seem to be having a hard time keeping the Rebs at bay.  Joe Johnston keeps throwing his corps at mine in Manassas, and is losing horribly.  I just started making a push for Fredricksberg, will pause for the winter while my army builds up, and come March hope to have Richmond in the East and most of the Tennessee valley in my control.

TJ Jackson is eyeballing Harper's Ferry though with a very large force, so he might spoil my plans.  The map has great options for stragetic maneuver.

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RE: Better than FoF? - 6/26/2007 8:51:08 PM   


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Meh, I care not about games against the AI.

Which one is the better PBEM game?

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RE: Better than FoF? - 6/26/2007 10:32:01 PM   

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I would have to to say AACW is the better buy if you can only support one of the two...............yes have to change my signature :)


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RE: Better than FoF? - 6/26/2007 11:25:39 PM   


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I say "Thank you" to both. Two great games on the same subject in such a short period of time.

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RE: Better than FoF? - 6/26/2007 11:32:31 PM   

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I did a brief stint doing PBEM in FoF.  It had no turn replay, and was difficult to ascertain what had transpired the previous turm.  Not sure how AACW handles pbem.

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RE: Better than FoF? - 6/27/2007 12:03:24 AM   

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I have a couple PBEMs going. I find it really enjoyable. As the "non-hosting" player, I do not get a replay, but find that it is not all that much of a problem given the nature of the game log.

Can't imagine playing the AI anymore........


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RE: Better than FoF? - 6/27/2007 1:31:47 AM   

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For me its AACW.  I own both.  But enjoy AACW more.


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