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Where was RE Lee on Nov 1 1861? - 2/10/2007 7:10:27 PM   
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Answer (from Civil War High Commands): "Gen. ACSA, 14 June 1861; directed operations of the Army of the Kanawha, 21 Sept 1861 - 5 Nov 1861."

He only held the rank of Brig Gen (then the highest rank in the ACSA) from 14 May to 14 June. Before that he was Maj Gen and CNC of the Conf Va Prov Army.
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RE: Where was RE Lee on Nov 1 1861? - 2/10/2007 7:25:26 PM   
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Indeed, as I mentioned in my post on West Virginia Lee pretty much got his hat handed to him while out in the western counties.  That's why when Jeff Davis put him in command of the Army of N. Va during the Peninsular campaign the South wasn't very happy about it.

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RE: Where was RE Lee on Nov 1 1861? - 2/10/2007 8:55:20 PM   
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Answer (from Civil War High Commands): "Gen. ACSA, 14 June 1861; directed operations of the Army of the Kanawha, 21 Sept 1861 - 5 Nov 1861."

He only held the rank of Brig Gen (then the highest rank in the ACSA) from 14 May to 14 June. Before that he was Maj Gen and CNC of the Conf Va Prov Army.


Lee was in Richmond on Nov 1st just having returned from Western Virginia. He left Richmond on the 6th and arrived at his new command in Charleston, S.C. on the 7th.

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RE: Where was RE Lee on Nov 1 1861? - 2/10/2007 9:04:17 PM   
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I was wondering where he physically was on that day, Chris, and I was hoping you would post. He was back in Richmond, but the paperwork for ending his AoK assignment was probably still in process. Army life! He went to SC to command the Department of South Carolina, Georgia, and East Florida, a new department merging several smaller commands.

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RE: Where was RE Lee on Nov 1 1861? - 2/10/2007 10:19:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: General Quarters

Answer (from Civil War High Commands): "Gen. ACSA, 14 June 1861; directed operations of the Army of the Kanawha, 21 Sept 1861 - 5 Nov 1861."

He only held the rank of Brig Gen (then the highest rank in the ACSA) from 14 May to 14 June. Before that he was Maj Gen and CNC of the Conf Va Prov Army.


Lee was in Richmond on Nov 1st just having returned from Western Virginia. He left Richmond on the 6th and arrived at his new command in Charleston, S.C. on the 7th.


One day to go from Richmond to Charleston?? Did he fly??? Geez, no wonder they say he was such a good general.

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RE: Where was RE Lee on Nov 1 1861? - 2/10/2007 10:46:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: General Quarters

Answer (from Civil War High Commands): "Gen. ACSA, 14 June 1861; directed operations of the Army of the Kanawha, 21 Sept 1861 - 5 Nov 1861."

He only held the rank of Brig Gen (then the highest rank in the ACSA) from 14 May to 14 June. Before that he was Maj Gen and CNC of the Conf Va Prov Army.


Lee was in Richmond on Nov 1st just having returned from Western Virginia. He left Richmond on the 6th and arrived at his new command in Charleston, S.C. on the 7th.


One day to go from Richmond to Charleston?? Did he fly??? Geez, no wonder they say he was such a good general.


They had trains and horses.

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RE: Where was RE Lee on Nov 1 1861? - 2/12/2007 2:07:01 AM   
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They had trains and horses.


And Baron von Munchausen and his Baloon or Balloon Airlines.

If Lee travelled for 20-hours that day, at an average speed of 17mph, then he could have travelled 340-miles that day.

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RE: Where was RE Lee on Nov 1 1861? - 2/12/2007 3:38:42 AM   
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I started wondering about who ranked in the CSA before the five generals were commissioned. Looking from March to May 61: In the ACSA (regular army), Cooper ranked from 16 Mar; Lee and J E Johnston, in that order, from 14 May. But the earliest of all was in the PACS (provisional army): Beauregard, from 1 Mar, Bragg 7 Mar; Lawton, Bonham, and McCulloch on diff dates in Apr; Loring, C.Clark, Floyd, and W.H.T.Walker in May. If this had been a question in Civil War Trivia Bowl, I sure would have missed most of these.

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RE: Where was RE Lee on Nov 1 1861? - 2/12/2007 4:16:29 AM   
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I started wondering about who ranked in the CSA before the five generals were commissioned. Looking from March to May 61: In the ACSA (regular army), Cooper ranked from 16 Mar; Lee and J E Johnston, in that order, from 14 May. But the earliest of all was in the PACS (provisional army): Beauregard, from 1 Mar, Bragg 7 Mar; Lawton, Bonham, and McCulloch on diff dates in Apr; Loring, C.Clark, Floyd, and W.H.T.Walker in May. If this had been a question in Civil War Trivia Bowl, I sure would have missed most of these.


The generals from the southern states got a head start by seceding earlier. Lee and Johnston were from Virgina. Cooper was a northerner but his wife's family was from virgina. He joined the confederate forces before Virginia had even seceded. Lee started as a major general of Virginia forces but was only a brigadier when entering confederate service. Lee, Cooper, both Johnstons, and Beauregard were named full Generals on august 31st but their dates of rank were backdated confusing things even more. Many of the early union generals started as generals of state forces as well.

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RE: Where was RE Lee on Nov 1 1861? - 2/12/2007 4:19:03 AM   
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They had trains and horses.


And Baron von Munchausen and his Baloon or Balloon Airlines.

If Lee travelled for 20-hours that day, at an average speed of 17mph, then he could have travelled 340-miles that day.

Chris 2



I'm not sure what your point is. Charleston is less than 500 miles from Richmond. A train of that era could easily get there in less than two days.

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RE: Where was RE Lee on Nov 1 1861? - 2/12/2007 4:47:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: General Quarters

I started wondering about who ranked in the CSA before the five generals were commissioned. Looking from March to May 61: In the ACSA (regular army), Cooper ranked from 16 Mar; Lee and J E Johnston, in that order, from 14 May. But the earliest of all was in the PACS (provisional army): Beauregard, from 1 Mar, Bragg 7 Mar; Lawton, Bonham, and McCulloch on diff dates in Apr; Loring, C.Clark, Floyd, and W.H.T.Walker in May. If this had been a question in Civil War Trivia Bowl, I sure would have missed most of these.


The generals from the southern states got a head start by seceding earlier. Lee and Johnston were from Virgina. Cooper was a northerner but his wife's family was from virgina. He joined the confederate forces before Virginia had even seceded. Lee started as a major general of Virginia forces but was only a brigadier when entering confederate service. Lee, Cooper, both Johnstons, and Beauregard were named full Generals on august 31st but their dates of rank were backdated confusing things even more. Many of the early union generals started as generals of state forces as well.


Interesting. But it seems misleading to say "only" a brigadier when that was the highest rank at the time and only Cooper ranked ahead of him in the regular army.

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RE: Where was RE Lee on Nov 1 1861? - 2/12/2007 4:58:44 AM   
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I was attempting to convey the somewhat confusing confederate command structure. At the time Lee joined the confederate army many generals outranked him. It was only on August 31 when he was promoted to full General that he became the 2nd ranking general.

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RE: Where was RE Lee on Nov 1 1861? - 2/12/2007 5:34:09 AM   
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I'm not sure what your point is. Charleston is less than 500 miles from Richmond. A train of that era could easily get there in less than two days. chris0827


Well. I am not sure what your problem is!!!!

I was simply showing that Lee could easily have made it to Charleston with the available railroad transportation of the day.

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RE: Where was RE Lee on Nov 1 1861? - 2/12/2007 5:50:06 AM   
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The stories of Von Munchhausen were wildly exaggerated tall tales. Bringing him up seemed to contradict the rest of your post so I didn't know what point you were trying to make.

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RE: Where was RE Lee on Nov 1 1861? - 2/12/2007 10:47:02 AM   
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Do you have a sense of humor???

Plus, I wasn't trying to 'make a point', but rather engage in casual and polite exchange of info. and thoughts, a nice learning type of conversation.

Chris

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