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PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 4:39:35 PM   
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I know this has been covered elsewhere and I've used search but can't for the life of me find the info...

What fighter mission takes out PT boats? I find myself in the position of needing to sweep Burma/DEI and the Hawaiian Islands clear of PT boats rather rapidly in a current PBEM and naval attack at 100 feet (which I thought was the order) hasn't, over the course of 2 days, resulted in a single attack on PT boats by my Zeroes so am I to use a different order?
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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 4:42:02 PM   
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yes, IIRC it is 100 ft naval attack. Did your recon planes spoted enemy PT boats?


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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 4:43:26 PM   
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Indeed, it's 100 ft strafing attacks. But doesn't that cause the infamous sync bugs in PBEM, for example ?

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 4:44:10 PM   
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it worked fine for me
100ft naval
no cap duty for any of pilot at same time however it should work too


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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 4:50:11 PM   
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quote:

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Indeed, it's 100 ft strafing attacks. But doesn't that cause the infamous sync bugs in PBEM, for example ?


Yes.

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 5:02:53 PM   
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Indeed, it's 100 ft strafing attacks. But doesn't that cause the infamous sync bugs in PBEM, for example ?

Yes, it can cause the bug

Strafing PT Boats will take some number of days to take them out completely. You can also send in DDs if you have air cover.

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 5:15:12 PM   
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Small DD TF does bad things to PT TFs, as far as I have tried. Well, destroyer was torpedo boat destroyer anyway...

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 5:35:15 PM   
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Yup 100ft attacks work well , but i am leery of using DD's as one torp and its a valuable unit. also for some reason PT's fire 50 calibre ship sinking rounds into DD's too.. grrr

How about using PG's ? or spare MSW's as they come back at least.

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 5:38:34 PM   
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Yea, PGs and MSWs work well too. Just about anything with more than machine guns works.

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 5:44:18 PM   
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quote:

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Yup 100ft attacks work well , but i am leery of using DD's as one torp and its a valuable unit. also for some reason PT's fire 50 calibre ship sinking rounds into DD's too.. grrr

How about using PG's ? or spare MSW's as they come back at least.


Agreed. That's why i sent DDs only against small numbers of PT. I cant affort to risk losing DDs in such a cheap way...

Yeah, .50 calibre and DDs are funny thing - especially after you have seen that enemy transport wasnt sunk after two torps; or 6 250kg bombs.... i will never understand that...

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 5:49:50 PM   
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Maybe .50 cal always magically hits torpedoes and depth charges on DD...

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 6:31:16 PM   
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quote:

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Yup 100ft attacks work well , but i am leery of using DD's as one torp and its a valuable unit. also for some reason PT's fire 50 calibre ship sinking rounds into DD's too.. grrr

How about using PG's ? or spare MSW's as they come back at least.

I think its a matter of urgency. If you just need to supress PT boat activity in an area then AC attacks are good for this. But if you absolutely need to clear an area you have to use surface ships. I find DDs best all around for this activity. You can loose one but usually they will take out the PTs no problem.

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 8:32:26 PM   
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quote:

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Small DD TF does bad things to PT TFs, as far as I have tried. Well, destroyer was torpedo boat destroyer anyway...


Use the Otori and Tomozuri classes for that. They've no depth charges or Long Lances, but more than enough gunpower to take care of PT boats...

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 9:25:49 PM   
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I prefer a CL with 3 DD's for my PT boat TF's...DD's without the CL are more vunerable.

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 11:06:03 PM   
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Ok, I'll try it again... Basically I can't really commit my DDs and CLs to the mission since most of them are either covering the Malaysian invasion TFs ( and follow-up waves), the landing at Palembang or the landings at Hawaii... Well, to be fair, most of the forces covering the Hawaiian invasions are badly beaten up. I've lost about a half-dozen ships there and another dozen warships in almost sinking condition ( combined damage well over 60) in vicious night fighting against enemy cruisers, destroyers and even DMs and DMSes... Its a real kitchen sink affair so I don't have too many CLs to spare ( not helped by the fact that 2 of my 5 CL-led DD TFs were trashed in night-time surface engagements vs Force Z and other Allied surface strike groups.

I've taken to calling this one my "Chum Game" after the stuff they put in the water to attract sharks... The reason being that in under 1 week's action naval surface actions have accounted for dozens of ships and tens of thousands of men across the length and breadth of the Atlantic. So, for all of those reasons I need to stop the PTs with fighters OR put off my designs on Rangoon and Andaman for another fortnight ( which I don't want to do).

Thanks for the input.

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 11:11:35 PM   
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quote:

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I've taken to calling this one my "Chum Game" after the stuff they put in the water to attract sharks... The reason being that in under 1 week's action naval surface actions have accounted for dozens of ships and tens of thousands of men across the length and breadth of the Atlantic. So, for all of those reasons I need to stop the PTs with fighters OR put off my designs on Rangoon and Andaman for another fortnight ( which I don't want to do).

Thanks for the input.


What mod are you playing?

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/17/2006 11:22:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nemo121

I've taken to calling this one my "Chum Game" after the stuff they put in the water to attract sharks... The reason being that in under 1 week's action naval surface actions have accounted for dozens of ships and tens of thousands of men across the length and breadth of the Atlantic. So, for all of those reasons I need to stop the PTs with fighters OR put off my designs on Rangoon and Andaman for another fortnight ( which I don't want to do).

Thanks for the input.


What mod are you playing?


Isn't it obvious? He's beta-testing the new detailed carrier ops module for War In The East.

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/18/2006 1:05:12 AM   
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Terminus,
I could tell you but I wouldn't want to have to kill you ;).

Nah, its a typo obviously.

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/18/2006 1:55:19 AM   
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Thats a pity .. BB group with yamato mushashi bismark and tirpitz would see force Z running like ducks on an icy pond

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/18/2006 6:49:10 AM   
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"BB group with yamato mushashi bismark and tirpitz would see..."

Winston dying of apoplexy...

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RE: PT Boat Sweeps - 8/18/2006 1:58:56 PM   
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HEAVY-WEIGHT BOUT!!! - 8/18/2006 3:32:28 PM   
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Thats a pity .. BB group with yamato mushashi bismark and tirpitz would see force Z running like ducks on an icy pond


Nooot necessarily... With tongue planted firmly in cheek, the For Poops and Giggles Department brings you today's heavy-weight bout!

In the Axis corner, battleships Yamato, Musashi, Bismarck aaaaaaaaand Tirpitz!

And in the Allied corner, battleship Prince of Wales and battlecruiser Repulse!




It was a five round fight from 20Kyards to about 9Kyards, and the combat report is shown below:

Day Time Surface Combat at 64,65

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
BB Musashi, Shell hits 6
BB Bismarck, Shell hits 2
BB Tirpitz, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 6, on fire
BC Repulse, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage


When the fight was over, the Repulse was about ready to sink, having received most of the attention from the Bismarck and the Tirpitz, with a little mid-caliber thumping from the Jap heavy-weights. The PoW was barely damaged, the same as Musashi, Bismarck and Tirpitz.

As for the Yamato? She got Hood'ed. The first 14-inch shell landed on her by the PoW at 9,000 yards exploded her magazine. Glug-glug-glug.

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RE: HEAVY-WEIGHT BOUT!!! - 8/18/2006 3:49:47 PM   
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As for the Yamato? She got Hood'ed. The first 14-inch shell landed on her by the PoW at 9,000 yards exploded her magazine. Glug-glug-glug.





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RE: HEAVY-WEIGHT BOUT!!! - 8/18/2006 3:51:48 PM   
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BTW, isn't it amazing how quickly this thread came from "PT boat sweeps" to "Yamato/Bismarck vs. Force Z"? 

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RE: HEAVY-WEIGHT BOUT!!! - 8/18/2006 3:52:55 PM   
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Hey, Rob started it!

I just ran with it...

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RE: HEAVY-WEIGHT BOUT!!! - 8/18/2006 4:03:52 PM   
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Can you set up the above battle group against 6 Allied PT boats? Maybe this will solve Nemo's problem!  And we would be back on topic again! 

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RE: HEAVY-WEIGHT BOUT!!! - 8/18/2006 7:07:54 PM   
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Is this another problem with those pesky 30-40-50 PT TF's ? We've talked about that before, and to keep things on the level I never have more than 12 PT's at any base or in any TF. Perhaps your opponent needs to follow some sensible house rules also.

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RE: HEAVY-WEIGHT BOUT!!! - 8/18/2006 7:37:11 PM   
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You can base more than that, but more than that in a squadron is a mess, both for the commanding officer, and for the squadron. What I can't see are the gun duels unless the surface task force stumbles over the PTs. PTs, as I have read it, did not charge like the Light Cavalry brigade into the jaws of 5" 5.5" 6" 8" 14" 16" and 18.1" death. They sat quietly, waited for some unsuspecting ships to pass by, fired their torpedos, and scattered like leaves in a whirlwind, if they had any sense, that is. At Second Guadalcanal, Lee had to get on the TBS and tell the PTs sitting there watching the heavies (Lee) go by that they were on the same side for fear of a "friendly" torpedo attack. But the public perception is what it is.

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RE: HEAVY-WEIGHT BOUT!!! - 8/18/2006 7:41:10 PM   
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As for the Yamato? She got Hood'ed. The first 14-inch shell landed on her by the PoW at 9,000 yards exploded her magazine. Glug-glug-glug.

Interesting, in my one and only ever surface encounter with Yamato in witp, the same result happened only it was one of the older US Battlewagons that did it.

A curse maybe?

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RE: HEAVY-WEIGHT BOUT!!! - 8/18/2006 7:43:43 PM   
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Like the Boise's unsinkability...

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