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Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 3:41:32 PM   
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OK - a new one on me, so i thought i'd check it out.

Right now, i've been watching my British pilots closely and trying to figure out what is going on.

I've noticed this in several squadrons - game is running under 1.602 (both sides AFAIK).

The units are stationed at a NON-Malarial base (Dacca). Replacements are OFF.

I will have (for example) a bomber squadron flying supplies with 12 pilots and 12 planes. Next turn - 9 pilots and 12 planes (no planes damaged). The planes were not involved in combat (i.e. not shot at, base not bombed). None of ther plane type (in this case Wellingtons) were lost that turn iirc.

So, how am i losing pilots, especially losing pilots without losing the aircraft?? Are the pilots jumping out and the planes landing themselves??? Or is there some sort of bug (pilot leak???)

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 3:51:57 PM   
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STD's?

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 3:59:58 PM   
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STD's?


well, i didn't think these (nor barfights) were modelled in WITP, but...

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 4:07:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

OK - a new one on me, so i thought i'd check it out.

Right now, i've been watching my British pilots closely and trying to figure out what is going on.

I've noticed this in several squadrons - game is running under 1.602 (both sides AFAIK).

The units are stationed at a NON-Malarial base (Dacca). Replacements are OFF.

I will have (for example) a bomber squadron flying supplies with 12 pilots and 12 planes. Next turn - 9 pilots and 12 planes (no planes damaged). The planes were not involved in combat (i.e. not shot at, base not bombed). None of ther plane type (in this case Wellingtons) were lost that turn iirc.

So, how am i losing pilots, especially losing pilots without losing the aircraft?? Are the pilots jumping out and the planes landing themselves??? Or is there some sort of bug (pilot leak???)





I have discovered the same. Transport missions murder the pilots. I suffer *at least* 1 pilot per day losses *per squadron* under 1.6. In week, 12-16 plane unit can lose 10 pilots. Something is not right in this.

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 4:14:57 PM   
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OK - a new one on me, so i thought i'd check it out.

Right now, i've been watching my British pilots closely and trying to figure out what is going on.

I've noticed this in several squadrons - game is running under 1.602 (both sides AFAIK).

The units are stationed at a NON-Malarial base (Dacca). Replacements are OFF.

I will have (for example) a bomber squadron flying supplies with 12 pilots and 12 planes. Next turn - 9 pilots and 12 planes (no planes damaged). The planes were not involved in combat (i.e. not shot at, base not bombed). None of ther plane type (in this case Wellingtons) were lost that turn iirc.

So, how am i losing pilots, especially losing pilots without losing the aircraft?? Are the pilots jumping out and the planes landing themselves??? Or is there some sort of bug (pilot leak???)





I have discovered the same. Transport missions murder the pilots. I suffer *at least* 1 pilot per day losses *per squadron* under 1.6. In week, 12-16 plane unit can lose 10 pilots. Something is not right in this.



The more i look at it, the more i think it is a bug. Losing aircraft AND pilots i can understand (although the rate would be astonishing), but just having the pilots vanish is disconcerting. I think i lost 6 pilots yesterday in this way.

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 4:20:39 PM   
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I have discovered the same. Transport missions murder the pilots. I suffer *at least* 1 pilot per day losses *per squadron* under 1.6. In week, 12-16 plane unit can lose 10 pilots. Something is not right in this.


i just really started noticing this after i turned replacements OFF, possibly because it is easier to keep track of, however, have you noticed the same things if replacements are ON??

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 5:46:15 PM   
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quote:

have you noticed the same things if replacements are ON??


Yes... And it's not related to British, it happens with US groups, too. And it's not related to bombers, it happens with transports, too. (in v1.4, too).

It seems to be related to transport missions... In fact, it seems to be related only to supply transport. I don't remember seeing this while i was transporting troops, but now that i have a big air supply operation going, the pilots just keep on dissapearing.

A major pain in the a$$... It could be somethig to do with black market. *shrug*

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 5:56:44 PM   
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A major pain in the a$$... It could be somethig to do with black market. *shrug*


Milo Minderbender at work, no doubt...

Arrrgh - i am going to have to look into this more carefully. It seemed to me the problem got pretty bad once i turned off all the replacements (noticeably worse).

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 6:01:44 PM   
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Have they flown 100 missions? Apparently this is the "rotation out" magic number.

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 6:04:44 PM   
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Have they flown 100 missions? Apparently this is the "rotation out" magic number.



i don't think so, but i will check. Plus, i thought that only happened for US pilots. Am i wrong on this? Does it happen for Chinese? Anyone else?

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 6:06:41 PM   
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I doubt they are rotated out. It affects all transport missions...and I doubt every squadron rotates 1+ pilot per day.

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 6:13:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso


quote:

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Have they flown 100 missions? Apparently this is the "rotation out" magic number.



i don't think so, but i will check. Plus, i thought that only happened for US pilots. Am i wrong on this? Does it happen for Chinese? Anyone else?


Hi,

noticed the same thing with British transport planes. And, yes, it seems that the "missing" pilots all had flown 100+ missions (I've noticed that pilots do not automatically rotate out after 100 missions, some of my pilots stay even after 100+ missions). It seems that this feature is not keyed to US pilots but to all Allied pilots (pretty historical because the Commonwealth Air Training Program).

K

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 6:18:38 PM   
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Have they flown 100 missions? Apparently this is the "rotation out" magic number.



i don't think so, but i will check. Plus, i thought that only happened for US pilots. Am i wrong on this? Does it happen for Chinese? Anyone else?


Hi,

noticed the same thing with British transport planes. And, yes, it seems that the "missing" pilots all had flown 100+ missions (I've noticed that pilots do not automatically rotate out after 100 missions, some of my pilots stay even after 100+ missions). It seems that this feature is not keyed to US pilots but to all Allied pilots (pretty historical because the Commonwealth Air Training Program).

K


well, then i guess it's possible, as i haven't been keeping track of the missions flown, although i thought it was around 75 for the most experienced - but then again, i haven't checked specifically on them. i'll have to do that this p.m.

So, presumably it will happen with the Dutch, Chinese and Russians, also??

This is curious, as i thought i had seen some of the Chinese and Dutch with well over 100 missions. Again, i'll have to check on this.

Thanks for the tips!

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 6:24:48 PM   
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It's happening with the Dutch...
I can confirm that mutch...

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 6:25:33 PM   
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Are there any of these incident occuring with the beta patch?

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 6:26:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

Are there any of these incident occuring with the beta patch?


i can't comment on that since i don't use the beta version(s)...

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 6:27:13 PM   
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It'll happen to all Allied transport pilots (donno about Japanese, but prolly same). Have to check if it's 100 missions rotation..but I strongly doubt that. Could be wrong, tho.

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 6:31:39 PM   
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If anyone is playing a beta game and are seeing pilots and/or planes disapearing....a set of repeatable saves would be great (before loss....after loss) There was a similar issue with UV.

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 6:36:01 PM   
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If anyone is playing a beta game and are seeing pilots and/or planes disapearing....a set of repeatable saves would be great (before loss....after loss) There was a similar issue with UV.



was this addressed in the Beta patch?

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 6:47:22 PM   
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IIRC....latest UV [beta] patch did address it, however its not finished yet. (not the official release)



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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/14/2006 7:05:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

OK - a new one on me, so i thought i'd check it out.

Right now, i've been watching my British pilots closely and trying to figure out what is going on.

I've noticed this in several squadrons - game is running under 1.602 (both sides AFAIK).

The units are stationed at a NON-Malarial base (Dacca). Replacements are OFF.

I will have (for example) a bomber squadron flying supplies with 12 pilots and 12 planes. Next turn - 9 pilots and 12 planes (no planes damaged). The planes were not involved in combat (i.e. not shot at, base not bombed). None of ther plane type (in this case Wellingtons) were lost that turn iirc.

So, how am i losing pilots, especially losing pilots without losing the aircraft?? Are the pilots jumping out and the planes landing themselves??? Or is there some sort of bug (pilot leak???)



AWOL

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/15/2006 1:50:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Have they flown 100 missions? Apparently this is the "rotation out" magic number.


OK - this is what is going on, although they waited a bit before rotating (didn't do it at exactly 100 missions).

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RE: Pilots Jumping out of Planes? - 3/15/2006 2:02:29 AM   
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R&R in Phuket?

Or maybe building a railroad somewhere?

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