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MagicMissile -> MM (Allied) vs HB (Axis) HB Welcome (7/21/2021 5:03:30 AM)

The other game in my mirror match with HB.

I have read HBs AAR as he probably read mine. So I know he plays very similar to me generally dont do anything too unexpected just plays solid and skillfully. I have no tricks as the allies really the only thing I will try to do if things play out as normal is when the time comes I will try to stop the invasion of Vichy North Africa. I know HB likes to take out Vichy France early.

Good Luck Harry!

/MM




MagicMissile -> RE: MM (Allied) vs HB (Axis) (7/21/2021 5:07:16 AM)

Allied tech.

Nothing too strange I think. If any Stratbombing is to be done the US will do it. With the Soviets I am thinking maybe go with escort fighters the range on a long front could be nice but I dont know we will see [:)].



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MagicMissile -> September 1 1939 (7/21/2021 5:09:52 AM)

September 1 1939

War begins. It is a very strong opening with 2 arm units in Poland. Poland will fall easily next turn. Lyon bombed women and children killed but also 4 hits scored. The subs sank 2 merchants.



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MagicMissile -> September 15 1939 (7/21/2021 6:28:08 AM)

September 15 1939

Poland and Denmark surrenders. Copenhagen is taken with just infantry and no invasion. After all these hours of playing I still dont understand how that is done [:)].

BoA starts with a bang against 12 escorts 7 MM sinks but I inflict 2 hits on 1 sub so maybe not a horrible trade I dont know.

In France I start to exchange all infantry in the Maginotline I withdraw the Anti tank units and put the assault tech inf there. Plan to only have anti tank on the main front vs the Germans.





MagicMissile -> September 29 1939 (7/21/2021 7:33:14 AM)

September 29 1939

BoA losing 2 MM and 1 escort. HB stayed at sea with the damaged sub.

In France continued to exchange units in the Maginot line but now realise it wont matter much as anti tank and assault gain same thing with 40 tech and I doubt very much that France will see 1941 tech but ah well lets do it anyway [:)].

France build inf corps. UK and Canada escorts and shipyards US build shipyards. Plan to build 10 each for UK and US maybe 20 for the US.

Not sure if the bug havent been fixed or if it is back but I cant fly my UK bomber in Egypt to Cyprus. Anyone know why? Always worked before.





Nirosi -> RE: September 15 1939 (7/21/2021 3:04:34 PM)

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After all these hours of playing I still dont understand how that is done .


Hint: it has to do with detaching a division.[:)]




ncc1701e -> RE: September 29 1939 (7/21/2021 5:46:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MagicMissile

Not sure if the bug havent been fixed or if it is back but I cant fly my UK bomber in Egypt to Cyprus. Anyone know why? Always worked before.


Clearly a bug since this is an urban port.




MagicMissile -> RE: September 15 1939 (7/22/2021 1:04:23 PM)

I know it must have something to do with that. I thought you could not detach with 0 ops left but now I see you can but even when blocking with a division one of the 3 possible detach hexes. It wont detach a divison into copenhagen it says not allowed so still stumped so silly :).





MagicMissile -> RE: September 29 1939 (7/22/2021 1:04:40 PM)

Ok Ill report it.





Nirosi -> RE: September 15 1939 (7/22/2021 2:32:12 PM)

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I thought you could not detach with 0 ops left but now I see you can but even when blocking with a division one of the 3 possible detach hexes. It wont detach a division into Copenhagen it says not allowed so still stumped so silly :).


I believe (IIRC) you can not detach into an enemy hex. So (I go by blind memory here so maybe a small mistake), you move one hex (to capture the forward hex into Denmark) and then detach a division forcing it forward. The corps can then continue to attack and after that the division moves to occupy.

Can seem strange, but frankly it probably helps to reproduce the almost immediate surrender of Denmark.




MagicMissile -> RE: September 15 1939 (7/23/2021 2:52:04 AM)

Thank you Nirosi I finally solved it, yay [:)].

You detach not at Copenhagen but earlier easy when you know but eluded me a long time. Ok sad for Poland who will now face 2 arm corps in the future wars.





MagicMissile -> October 13 1939 (7/23/2021 2:54:04 AM)

October 13 1939

To protect the people of Luxemburg I put it under French protection.

Lose 1 MM

The British gets an extra tech point.

Otherwise not much happening.





MagicMissile -> End of 39 (7/25/2021 8:37:56 AM)

End of 39

1939 comes to an end. Nothing going on except in the Atlantic.

On the tech side British escorts do ok at 178 days left until 1940 tech but the ones doing best is the Soviet airforce both interceptors and groundsupport at 145 days.

I feel I make small mistakes. For example I am flopping like a fish on land. First I did not plan to build a British arm corps but now I have changed my mind and I built one but it wont be ready for the fight in France. Not so good [:)].

Also not sure of the French or the Soviet defense.

When it comes to the French I think I will just build max infantry and put most or all in garrison mode then have 3-4 British corps for the occasional counterattack see how that will work out.

With the Soviets I have begun by building the 3 arm corps that I always build but I seriously consider disbanding at least the 2 and 3 strength mech corps they seem pretty useless nowadays (I guess they always were but even more so now) and maybe even some airunits and build more arm corps than I normally do.


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ncc1701e -> RE: End of 39 (7/25/2021 11:13:11 AM)

I am interested to read your feedback on French defense with the new garrison rule.

Thanks




MagicMissile -> March 40 (7/27/2021 10:58:07 AM)

End of March 1940

The showdown in the west is approaching. Weather clears and Germany stomps The Netherlands. RAF contested but lost 20-8 so not a very promising start [:)]. Also out of touch with the rules a bit. It thought declaration of war on Belgium or The Netherlands meant the other country joined the allies nowadays but I must have dreamt that or something. Good to know for my Germans.

UK got their first tech advancements Assault and Ground support and interceptors. France havent got any.

In the Atlantic another mistake I let the convoy with oil to France last too long so the German subs got a double shot with most escorts in the North Atlantic so lost 9 convoys this turn.



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ncc1701e -> RE: March 40 (7/27/2021 5:01:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MagicMissile

The showdown in the west is approaching. Weather clears and Germany stomps The Netherlands. RAF contested but lost 20-8 so not a very promising start [:)]. Also out of touch with the rules a bit. It thought declaration of war on Belgium or The Netherlands meant the other country joined the allies nowadays but I must have dreamt that or something. Good to know for my Germans.


Rules have changed:

Belgium (Neutral) - Will join the Allies if Netherlands or Luxembourg is invaded by any Axis country and Luxembourg has not joined the Axis powers.

So here, since France has invaded Luxembourg as you said in October 1939. Belgium is neutral.




sveint -> RE: March 40 (7/27/2021 9:47:17 PM)

Just a note, I now absolutely love Allied defenses like this when playing the Axis. In my last two Axis games I've easily taken Plymouth, all I need is Calais first.

I think all 9-size UK ports need at least a small corps, except maybe London.




MagicMissile -> RE: March 40 (7/28/2021 7:36:58 AM)

Thank you. Maybe not worth take Luxemburg as the allies after all. I just copied HB when he took it [:)].





MagicMissile -> RE: March 40 (7/28/2021 7:41:58 AM)

Not having any unit there was a mistake. I play too fast [:)]. But unless you build some more landing ships I dont think a German div will move a UK div? Also there should be some more forces in UK when Calais falls.

But I am really not used to the much weaker UK this is how they were when the game was released and Sealions were very common.

I guess I need to be more careful next game [:)]. Well its not too late maybe HB is planning something.




MagicMissile -> May 1940 (7/28/2021 7:50:59 AM)

May 1940

Was a bit lucky and got some rain on the first turn of May so the Axis offensive is delayed a bit but on the second turn of May Belgium and Luxemburg falls.

Looking at casualties the Luftwaffe is doing too good. In the Atlantic I am fairly happy. Lost a lot of MM but on the 2nd turn of April I scored 6 hits on 3 subs suffering 13 MM losses but the action was far south in the South Atlantic so it took 2 turns for the Subs to limp home then I think 2 turns at least of repairs and then 1 turn back out to sea again so won some time there.

I might have overbought on the escorts and underbought (is that a word :) ) the land forces need to calibrate that next time.

France did get the infantry tech in place so most units might have 1940 tech after all. Might not matter much but still, Uk also got 41 fighters and 40 assault also convoy escort tech 40 was reached in April.




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stjeand -> RE: May 1940 (7/28/2021 11:11:23 AM)

Unless you are planning counter attacks or need units for fast movement around which is always nice...you may want to garrison as many inf as possible. The new +2 AT is nice especially on big French corps.

In my game against ncc...I attacked Vichy and lost 5 armor attacking the capital...took it but that is expensive.

And the actual French units are even stronger than the Vichy.

BUT have not tested this too much yet. The air bug is causing issues.




MagicMissile -> RE: May 1940 (7/28/2021 1:10:00 PM)

Hello,

Yes I might put all French on garrison. But I was thinking nice to at least have the ability to try and make the occasional counterattack. For obvious reasons I am loth to put the UK units in garrison mode I want them to come home [:)].

We will see how it plays out but I feel that this +2 gun might be a bit too good especially with nerf of Supply trucks.




stjeand -> RE: May 1940 (7/29/2021 2:15:17 PM)

Yes I am concerned about France and a bit with Russia.
The change is good for Russia...maybe too good, time will tell...and for Germany / Italy late war.

BUT the change that makes units take less losses and more efficiency will be HUGE against Germany, along with the supply truck change.

France was already tough depending upon what was built. I always built the French armor for a counter attack but defense might be better...letting them build just infantry and putting most in garrison, other than the 50% exp from the M-line...
I guess we will see.

Did your infantry in Lux stay or get attacked?


My biggest concern right now is...if France / Russia are too powerful the issue won't be adjusted for months and that would be horrible.

This is where adding more things to the editor settings would be nice...




MagicMissile -> June 7 1940 (7/30/2021 1:42:02 AM)

Argh forgot screenshot but maybe my fear that the +2 guns is too good might be unwarranted. My defense looks like it is crumbling like it used to do. I did make a counterattack shattering a inf corps since Germany dont really care about the 2 hex retreat any longer. But I think it might be over in 3 turns so last turn of July +-1 turn. Not sure why really but not having a UK armour and no French arm might be a mistake. The UK one for sure the French maybe not. We will see how my Germans will be doing to compare.

The Germans took Lille and advanced in a wedge kind of 3 hexes deep. Nice attack by HB so far and my airforces keep getting thrashed [:)].

But one victory at sea was scored. British intelligence noted the entire German submarine force was lying in Kiel with no AA and no Fighter cover so a decision to launch a Carrier strike was taken 8 hits scored resulting in one sub sunk and 1 severely damaged. We will see if there will be a Luftwaffe counterattack but that will at least take some steam off France.

Games will be on a 1 week break as HB goes on Holiday!



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MagicMissile -> June 21 1940 (7/30/2021 5:52:53 AM)

June 21 1940

Seems like holiday hasnt started yet [:)]. 3 turns now feels optimistic. The French folded like nothing and even with an armour corps maybe one more counterattack could have been made but it would not have made much of a difference I dont think. Lost a UK corps surrender. I by mistake put a UK corps into garrion mode well done! [:)] and finally after garrion St Nazaire all the time now that it matters it is open for taking argh! Not 100% play thats for sure.

At sea everything is calm for the moment. Need to try and start planning for the next phase of the war.



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MagicMissile -> July 40 (8/7/2021 3:32:53 AM)

And we are back in action.

France surrrenders.

In the Mediterranean I invade Vichy Syria, Italy declares war on the UK. I move some naval units to the coast around Alger and the main UK navy is in Gibraltar in an attempt to counter invasion of Noprth Africa but I dont think this wiull stopp the Axis.

Also buildup against Yugoslavia.



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MagicMissile -> RE: July 40 (8/7/2021 3:34:03 AM)

Also detect a build up against Norway. I send out a division which might invade Narvik. Havent decided if it is worth it or not.



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MagicMissile -> Forces and casualties (8/7/2021 7:29:46 AM)

Here are forces and casulaties after the campaign in France.

If we compare it with the other game I note the following:

Losses in general are lower than what I am used to.

As usual I suck in the air war. I lost 1:2 as the allied and managed to hold 1:1 as the Axis. I think it is because I leave air on full support because I forget to turn it off [:)].

BoA is doing pretty similar but I have done slightly better because of that carrier strike. In general in both games I feel the subs are not doing too good they get hit all the time and have to go back and repair.

With the subs doing soso I realise I have overbought as I wrote earlier on the escorts and my British army is smaller than HBs.

HB has disbanded mech and a couple of Soviet air to build more corps and I guess arm units. Just to try out something different I will build less corps but disband some mech on the first turn of the war to build more armies. I havent played with this corps converting to armies stuff so not sure what to expect but I always built a fair amount of armies on turn 1 of the war I will continue to do that.

Ill post the same post in the other thread


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MagicMissile -> August 16 1940 (8/8/2021 9:19:10 AM)

August 16 1940

The Axis is flowing into the Mediterranean. Yugoslavia attacked and a lot of German units on the way to Africa.



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MagicMissile -> August 30 1940 (8/8/2021 9:22:49 AM)

August 30 1940

It is well played I think. The pressure against Egypt makes me scared so I abandon my guarding of the coast at Alger and move the main UK navy towards Egypt.

I am guessing the invasion of Vichy France will happen next turn.

Yugoslavia falls.



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