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CHINCHIN -> WP Tournament (7/14/2021 2:33:28 PM)

Hello everybody,

Not long ago someone suggested it, I couldn't find the thread, sorry.

My idea is to do an all-against-all league with the 1939 scenario. If many sign up, make groups of 3 or 5 players, a game will be played with the axis with one player, and another game with allies with a different player, and the first of each group to playoffs to mirror games. It all depends on the number of players who sign up.

Yes, I know what you are thinking, this can last about a year, and what is the problem?

If there are people willing, I organize it. Who signs up?




stjeand -> RE: WP Tournament (7/14/2021 4:56:36 PM)

I would be happy to get beat up.




Villain -> RE: WP Tournament (7/14/2021 5:33:20 PM)

The entire 39 scenario to the end?
It might take a couple of years... count me in and insane.[sm=00000117.gif]




Nirosi -> RE: WP Tournament (7/14/2021 5:33:45 PM)

Wargame tournament! I am tempted...[:)]




ncc1701e -> RE: WP Tournament (7/14/2021 5:47:36 PM)

I am in. I like to lose. @CHINCHIN, I like your idea. We can do several teams of four players. If we have 12 players, 4 teams. Do we count victory points and/or when a player decide to surrender?

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CHINCHIN -> RE: WP Tournament (7/14/2021 8:34:44 PM)

The groups must be odd, since we play with one player as an allied, and with another with the axis.

Team 1
Player A
Player B
Player C

A Axis vs B Allied
A Allied vs C Axis
B Axis vs C Allied

Players should commit not to give up, because if we only score the victory it will be very easy to tie on points. Although on the other hand the games would be shortened.

The 1939 scenario how many turns do you have? We could also make a mod with the editor, and shorten the scenario of '39, and that for example will end in January '44.




CHINCHIN -> RE: WP Tournament (7/18/2021 3:12:25 PM)

At the moment we are:

Chin Chin
Stjeand
Villain
Ncc1701e

If we were only 4, there would be a single league to mirror games. We wait to see if more players sign up.




Flaviusx -> RE: WP Tournament (7/19/2021 12:36:00 AM)

This is pointless until the Soviets are fixed.




ncc1701e -> RE: WP Tournament (7/19/2021 6:36:22 PM)

+1




MagicMissile -> RE: WP Tournament (7/20/2021 3:08:55 AM)

I would play I am playing a bit of chess for fun and I am still in tournaments thats been going on since 2017-2018 so I got patience. But as Flaviusx said maybe wait a bit for some kind of balance patch if we will get one [:)].

/MM




CHINCHIN -> RE: WP Tournament (7/20/2021 2:55:55 PM)

Hundreds of games have been played under these conditions, and they continue to be played, so it won't be so catastrophic. In mirror games both players are in the same conditions.

Anyway, the more balanced the game, the better for the tournament. I'm afraid the new patch doesn't fix any of this, does it?




ncc1701e -> RE: WP Tournament (7/20/2021 4:01:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CHINCHIN

Anyway, the more balanced the game, the better for the tournament. I'm afraid the new patch doesn't fix any of this, does it?


There is a big one on which I am not yet sure to understand the impact... [:D]
quote:

Change garrisoning a unit returns half the PPs of making it a garrison


Less Panzer Corps at the end? [:D]




Harrybanana -> RE: WP Tournament (7/20/2021 6:14:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

There is a big one on which I am not yet sure to understand the impact... [:D]
quote:

Change garrisoning a unit returns half the PPs of making it a garrison


Less Panzer Corps at the end? [:D]


Yes, I don't understand what this change means. Is it saying:

1. That converting a unit into garrison mode will now only give you 50% of the production it used too?,
2. That converting a unit from garrison mode to mobile mode will now cost you double the production it used too?,
3. Something else???

Does anyone know?




stjeand -> RE: WP Tournament (7/20/2021 8:22:30 PM)

I am wondering if this was the exploit that Alvaro was talking about.

I don't consider this broken after thinking about this...

BUT the Russians will LOSE a lot of PP they got when they garrisoned their entire army.
Germans can't get the extra armor for France.
France can't get a free unit garrisoning all their units...they will anyways but get less PP now.
UK may not be able to get an armor for France due to the PP lost with Garrison...

So this may be okay overall.

Does anyone remember if you ungarrison now...is it costing more? I can't really tell...

I have a game in progress with a LOT of garrisoned Germans prior to the invasion of the USSR...if the cost is the same then due to me garrisoning them prior to the patch I received the PP...so no harm not foul.




CHINCHIN -> RE: WP Tournament (7/20/2021 9:18:00 PM)

Sounds like a good change to me. It prevents the German player from transforming all his infantry into a garrison when finishing Poland, to recover them in the invasion of France, and I do the same when France falls to recover them for the invasion of the USSR. With the aim of obtaining the major number of troops available for both campaigns.

Now it seems more logical to me, you will only go to garrison those that are really interesting, and you will think very much about returning them to mobility.




Nirosi -> RE: WP Tournament (7/20/2021 9:22:51 PM)

quote:

Sounds like a good change to me. It prevents the German player from transforming all his infantry into a garrison when finishing Poland, to recover them in the invasion of France,


Yes but this seems to allow for a fairly balanced France campaign. I am afraid it might be too hard now to have the required forces on time for France (USSR should be OK). Having on map the May 1940 scenario forces for the Allies is not too hard, but for the Axis I think it was actually required to do that, no?




ncc1701e -> RE: WP Tournament (7/20/2021 9:26:43 PM)

Since I will be soon on holidays, I wish you good luck in testing all these changes. See you in September.
I want a balance game in 1940 for France invasion and a balance game in 1941 and in 1942 for USSR invasion without an all-in naval invasion of the Allies.

Again good luck.




CHINCHIN -> RE: WP Tournament (7/21/2021 9:12:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nirosi
Yes but this seems to allow for a fairly balanced France campaign. I am afraid it might be too hard now to have the required forces on time for France (USSR should be OK). Having on map the May 1940 scenario forces for the Allies is not too hard, but for the Axis I think it was actually required to do that, no?

Yes, in France you will have more difficulties. But it shouldn't be a problem for France to be conquered by August at the latest.




CHINCHIN -> RE: WP Tournament (9/22/2021 7:52:41 AM)

I'm waiting for the new patch to arrive and experience the new rules a bit, but the championship still stands.

At the moment we are:
stjeand
villano
Nirosi (doubtful)
ncc1701e
MagicMissile (not clear to me)
CHINCHIN




Harrybanana -> RE: WP Tournament (9/24/2021 2:52:46 AM)

You can add my name as well.




aoffen -> RE: WP Tournament (9/24/2021 3:44:22 AM)

Count me in. I would like a crack!




michaelCLARADY -> RE: WP Tournament (9/24/2021 9:14:59 PM)

sounds like fun. I would give it a try.




chemist -> RE: WP Tournament (9/25/2021 2:17:54 PM)

Sure I will play,




CHINCHIN -> RE: WP Tournament (9/26/2021 8:12:53 AM)

Participants

stjeand
villano
Nirosi ??
ncc1701e
MagicMissile ??
CHINCHIN
Harrybanana
aoffen
michaelCLARADY
chemist




YueJin -> RE: WP Tournament (9/26/2021 9:19:56 AM)

I'd potentially be up for it after seeing the finalised format with rules regarding time control.




generalfdog -> RE: WP Tournament (9/26/2021 7:05:30 PM)

I would play in tournament [:)]




CHINCHIN -> RE: WP Tournament (10/1/2021 8:10:36 AM)

How about playing the 1939 scenario until turn 110 (November 1943)?




MagicMissile -> RE: WP Tournament (10/7/2021 10:27:31 AM)

I have been busy for a while but I would play if it got going.
Not perfect but this is still one of the best and most fun wargame I have played on a computer.

/MM




ncc1701e -> RE: WP Tournament (10/7/2021 6:19:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MagicMissile

I have been busy for a while but I would play if it got going.
Not perfect but this is still one of the best and most fun wargame I have played on a computer.

/MM


+1 and welcome back! [;)]




MagicMissile -> RE: WP Tournament (10/8/2021 1:18:12 AM)

Thank you! Never left completely stalking the forums every day and I recently got spanked by HB [:)]. But I dont really have any other strategy game I like for the moment so will probably start playing a bit more now.

/MM




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