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EarlyDoors -> Reading the MPP report (3/18/2021 4:55:14 PM)

Been playing this game for a while now and something has only just dawned on me regarding the MPP report

I've attached a random one for reference

The value for LOST occurs every turn (ie. my turn and my opponents turn)
whereas the value for Collected Income
and Spent(Units) occurs only every other turn (ie my turn)

So with reference to the graph, it looks like a data point is plotted for each turn regardless. That why there are straight line flat peaks for 2 of the series.

If you want to know how someone's losses compare to their income (lets face it that's why we look at the graph), then it's enough for the losses to be at half the level (each turn) as the income.
I'd always targeted the actual level before

My thinkinking is right on this yeah?

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warspite1 -> RE: Reading the MPP report (3/18/2021 5:28:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: EarlyDoors

Been playing this game for a while now and something has only just dawned on me regarding the MPP report

I've attached a random one for reference

The value for LOST occurs every turn (ie. my turn and my opponents turn)
whereas the value for Collected Income
and Spent(Units) occurs only every other turn (ie my turn)

So with reference to the graph, it looks like a data point is plotted for each turn regardless. That why there are straight line flat peaks for 2 of the series.

If you want to know how someone's losses compare to their income (lets face it that's why we look at the graph), then it's enough for the losses to be at half the level (each turn) as the income.
I'd always targeted the actual level before

My thinkinking is right on this yeah?

[image]local://upfiles/61530/378ACE8E2DAD47839B94D3E7D44F4467.jpg[/image]
warspite1

Funny you should mention this, I was looking in the manual (using word search) for an explanation for what some of these more obscure reports means.... and couldn't find anything [&:].




PJL1973 -> RE: Reading the MPP report (3/18/2021 6:18:21 PM)

It should be relatively easy to test how each figure at the bottom is worked out playing both sides in two-player hot-seat mode.




OldCrowBalthazor -> RE: Reading the MPP report (3/19/2021 12:28:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EarlyDoors



[image]local://upfiles/61530/378ACE8E2DAD47839B94D3E7D44F4467.jpg[/image]




It would also be nice to be able to toggle on and off each graph line...to compare for example, just two (or even one) of the samples. Having the three lines here can overwhelm the eyes and the thought process at times :)




Hubert Cater -> RE: Reading the MPP report (3/22/2021 6:28:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: EarlyDoors

Been playing this game for a while now and something has only just dawned on me regarding the MPP report

I've attached a random one for reference

The value for LOST occurs every turn (ie. my turn and my opponents turn)
whereas the value for Collected Income
and Spent(Units) occurs only every other turn (ie my turn)

So with reference to the graph, it looks like a data point is plotted for each turn regardless. That why there are straight line flat peaks for 2 of the series.



Hi Earlydoors,

It is correct that the 'spent' and 'collected' are plotted for the non turns as well as the player turns where spent and collected are actually determined.

However after looking at it more carefully, one thing I did notice is that for 'spent' if a player spends 0 MPPs it does not show in the graph as having dropped to 0 for that turn, instead it stays at the level that it was last spent at.

For example, if I spend 100 MPPs on my turn and the next turn I spent 0 MPPs, the graph remains flat at 100 MPPs until a different amount, e.g. something other than 100 or 0 MPPs, is eventually spent.

This looks to be the same issue for collected (even though it is unlikely to collect 0 MPPs when not surrendered) and it looks like only for these two plotted graphs is this an issue. I will correct this part for the next patch.

Hubert




ThunderLizard2 -> RE: Reading the MPP report (3/23/2021 3:13:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hubert Cater

quote:

ORIGINAL: EarlyDoors

Been playing this game for a while now and something has only just dawned on me regarding the MPP report

I've attached a random one for reference

The value for LOST occurs every turn (ie. my turn and my opponents turn)
whereas the value for Collected Income
and Spent(Units) occurs only every other turn (ie my turn)

So with reference to the graph, it looks like a data point is plotted for each turn regardless. That why there are straight line flat peaks for 2 of the series.



Hi Earlydoors,

It is correct that the 'spent' and 'collected' are plotted for the non turns as well as the player turns where spent and collected are actually determined.

However after looking at it more carefully, one thing I did notice is that for 'spent' if a player spends 0 MPPs it does not show in the graph as having dropped to 0 for that turn, instead it stays at the level that it was last spent at.

For example, if I spend 100 MPPs on my turn and the next turn I spent 0 MPPs, the graph remains flat at 100 MPPs until a different amount, e.g. something other than 100 or 0 MPPs, is eventually spent.

This looks to be the same issue for collected (even though it is unlikely to collect 0 MPPs when not surrendered) and it looks like only for these two plotted graphs is this an issue. I will correct this part for the next patch.

Hubert


Awesome - the money's in the details!




EarlyDoors -> RE: Reading the MPP report (3/24/2021 1:23:07 PM)

Looking at this ussr mpp report

how is it that the value for lost can be so much more than collected income?



[image]local://upfiles/61530/351CEDCD188E467E8A77CB6408084012.jpg[/image]




BillRunacre -> RE: Reading the MPP report (3/24/2021 2:03:17 PM)

It will include starting units, and any that arrive via Unit script or that are already in the Production Queue when the game begins.




pjg100 -> RE: Reading the MPP report (3/24/2021 4:47:57 PM)

Would it also be safe to assume that MPP losses are calculated at the full cost of the unit? If so this would bias results upward, since a unit may be rebuilt at a reduced cost unless low on supply when eliminated.




Hubert Cater -> RE: Reading the MPP report (3/25/2021 3:31:09 AM)

No, each unit should keep track of its associated cost so when it is destroyed, that is the cost value that is applied to the totals and the graphs as seen above.

For example, if you rebuilt a reduced cost unit, the unit keeps track of that, there is a cost parameter per unit, and will apply that value when it is destroyed.




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