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vettim89 -> New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 (6/24/2020 12:25:35 AM)

This is a simple but somewhat challenging scenario based on one included in Larry Bond's original Harpoon rules set for miniatures. I believe it was included in either the second or third edition of the rules. You have the air group of USS Coral Sea and you have the simple mission of destroying a Soviet Surface Action Group (SAG) deployed north of your position. I have left the bulk of the aircraft unloaded to allow the players to choose their own solutions

Not really involved or particularly complicated but still a fun scenario that can be played in a hour or less



Fido81 -> RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 (6/24/2020 3:32:05 AM)

Great scenario! It says what it's going to do, and then does it. It's a real nice sandbox to play around with and figure out how to deal with the problem that Kirovs (theoretically) posed. I also appreciate that there's no scenario creep.

Out of curiosity, is there a reason there's no S-3s or F-4s, or F-14s in a Carrier Air Wing that's threatening the Kola peninsula?



Rob322 -> RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 (6/24/2020 4:39:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Fido81

Great scenario! It says what it's going to do, and then does it. It's a real nice sandbox to play around with and figure out how to deal with the problem that Kirovs (theoretically) posed. I also appreciate that there's no scenario creep.

Out of curiosity, is there a reason there's no S-3s or F-4s, or F-14s in a Carrier Air Wing that's threatening the Kola peninsula?


The Midway Class was incapable of flying F-14's and I don't think they carried the S-3 either. Modern jets pushed the Midways right up to their limits. They did have 3-4 squadrons of F/A-18's though as well as the A-6E.



vettim89 -> RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 (6/24/2020 1:14:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Fido81

Great scenario! It says what it's going to do, and then does it. It's a real nice sandbox to play around with and figure out how to deal with the problem that Kirovs (theoretically) posed. I also appreciate that there's no scenario creep.

Out of curiosity, is there a reason there's no S-3s or F-4s, or F-14s in a Carrier Air Wing that's threatening the Kola peninsula?


Actually used the historical air wing form the date of the scenario. The squadron nicknames are all correct. So no F-14 and no S-3 on the two Midway class CVs in the 1980s



Fido81 -> RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 (6/25/2020 3:08:45 AM)

Thanks for the responses.

In CMO (in my opinion) the only thing better than playing through a well thought-out scenario is learning something new as the result of having played it!



Schr75 -> RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 (6/25/2020 6:05:17 PM)

Hi Vettim89

Great scen.
Short and funny with lots of wiggle room to experiment with different tactics and weapons.
I have a few suggestions for improvements though.

Nitpicking first[;)]
There´s a few mistakes in the briefing.
"Intel indicates a Soviet surface action group (SAG) centered around then BCGN Kirov is operating off Svalbard"
Then should be the

"Priority is given to the Kirov and any addition units capable of launching long range SSMs (SS-12, SS-19)."
Should be SS-N-12, SS-N-19
The SS-12 and SS-19 are landbased ballistic missiles[:)]

Nitpicking out of the way.
You have set the Soviet WRA to weapons tight, preventing them from firing on unidentified aerial targets.
That made it possible for me to close in on the SAG, well within SAM range, without being engaged.

Being this is a war time scen, I think the SAG would engage 40+ planes approaching with jamming support, before they start shooting[:)]
I recommend either setting AAW WRA to free or setting up an exclusion zone around the SAG using the Kirov SAG RP´s.
This would force the player to approach the target more carefully.

Hope this helped.

Søren



vettim89 -> RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 (6/26/2020 2:38:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Schr75

Hi Vettim89

Great scen.
Short and funny with lots of wiggle room to experiment with different tactics and weapons.
I have a few suggestions for improvements though.

Nitpicking first[;)]
There´s a few mistakes in the briefing.
"Intel indicates a Soviet surface action group (SAG) centered around then BCGN Kirov is operating off Svalbard"
Then should be the

"Priority is given to the Kirov and any addition units capable of launching long range SSMs (SS-12, SS-19)."
Should be SS-N-12, SS-N-19
The SS-12 and SS-19 are landbased ballistic missiles[:)]

Nitpicking out of the way.
You have set the Soviet WRA to weapons tight, preventing them from firing on unidentified aerial targets.
That made it possible for me to close in on the SAG, well within SAM range, without being engaged.

Being this is a war time scen, I think the SAG would engage 40+ planes approaching with jamming support, before they start shooting[:)]
I recommend either setting AAW WRA to free or setting up an exclusion zone around the SAG using the Kirov SAG RP´s.
This would force the player to approach the target more carefully.

Hope this helped.

Søren


Thank you for the feedback. I will correct the typos. I am in agreement that the WTA needs tweaked. Also considering a possible event to try to keep the Slava and Kirov form being neutralized by a wall of HARMs coming at them. The problem being that coding that in a way to not have them radar blind when the Harpoons arrive.



Schr75 -> RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 (6/26/2020 4:46:00 PM)

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Also considering a possible event to try to keep the Slava and Kirov form being neutralized by a wall of HARMs coming at them. The problem being that coding that in a way to not have them radar blind when the Harpoons arrive.


A simple solution might be to just let a few of the escorts radiate, acting as radar pickets.
If the enemy fires, the Kirov will will light up automatically if it´s WRA are set to "ignore EMCON under attack".

Also, if you set up an exclusion zone around the SAG, the radar pickets should be able to pick up targets for the Kirov which will then engage them if they enter the zone, and otherwise remain passive if they do not.

Looking forward to see what you do with this scen.

Søren




vettim89 -> RE: New Scenario for Testing: Sink the Kirov, 1988 (6/27/2020 6:33:02 PM)

Updated the file with corrections to the briefing and resetting the WTA. Opted to not add in any event control of the Soviet radars as this was meant to be a simple scenario



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