Rescue193 -> RE: Drag ass SLOW! (4/19/2020 9:46:27 AM)
But, it would appear, without X.0.20 then X.0.40 is, in some cases, pretty much dead-in-the-water.
188.8.131.52 is a patch, while 184.108.40.206 is the current base installer. Apparently a lot of people try upgrading directly from their CD base installer version (220.127.116.11) directly to 18.104.22.168 which causes all kinds of issues with hangs and the application going into the "not responding" state on startup.
The .20 patch when released required us to do a manual uninstall of the game first:
For some reason, some people on this forum still recommend to first install the ancient .11 CD version first, or even to *wait* for hours on first launch. Unless someone is on an old 486, there is nothing this game does on launch that would require a wait like that. It creates some folders and INI files, copies some fonts and sounds, it should take 10-20 seconds max on any PC made in the last two decades.
It's a BUG, plain and simple, made worse by the latest patch failing to address issues of upgrading from older versions than .20.
The latest versions of the game can be downloaded from the members area:
Recommended install order is BASE 22.214.171.124, then patch to 126.96.36.199. And no launching of the game after the base install!
Recommendation for the CD version is to pop it in the nearest plastic waste bin [:D]
Well I never!
So, v188.8.131.52 is a patch whereas v4.1.020 was a base installer. Who’d have thought eh?
I mean, where on the Matrix site (or anywhere else) does it it say that? Where does it mention that one needs v184.108.40.206 to run v220.127.116.11? Would it have been being the wit of man to include a release note with the patch that said v18.104.22.168 is required to run v22.214.171.124? Could it not have been possible to mention that fact in BIG BOLD LETTERS on the Matrix website?
How are we lesser mortals, the mere Matrix customers rather than the Matrix Heroes (whatever that might mean?) of this locale, meant to intuit this small but salient piece of information? Osmosis? Telepathy? Talking Squirrels? A Tweet from Donald Trump?
Its interesting that one can download v126.96.36.199 from the Matrix Site without logging in but the v188.8.131.52 is greyed-out. Only by logging in can one get access to v184.108.40.206 but, even then, no mention is made in having to have installed the .20 before one installs .40. But, like I say, I’m not a member of the TOAW cognoscenti.
Having played the game from the earliest versions, through TOAW III. I've had TOAW IV from the beginning and installed v220.127.116.11, v18.104.22.168 and then v4.1.021 without trauma until it came to v22.214.171.124 when it came out on 21 November 2019 when I, like so many others judging by the messages on here, I hit the buffers.
I don’t know how, or why, I missed v126.96.36.199 but mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa maxima, I did. Perhaps, naively, I assumed that a download (v4.1.021) 0n 12 December 2018 would include everything contained in the download issued a mere 13 days previously (v188.8.131.52) on 29 November 2018. How foolish could I be eh?
It was only when I went back to Matrix and got hold of v184.108.40.206 and saw that it was called a “SetupRelease” rather than an “UpdateComp” (but one can only know that when one has downloaded it) thus I was able to workout what had happened. But, what I don’t understand is, given that this is a known problem that we techno-peasants encounter, why doesn’t the Slitherine Help Desk doesn’t know about it?
When I approached them they had me delving into Windows setups and mucking about with TOAW IV files but all to no effect. Surely if they knew about the problem all they’d have to say is: “Make sure you install v220.127.116.11 before v18.104.22.168 and the problem will be solved.” Of course, they wouldn’t even be approached in the first place if there was a note explaining that on the site. Or is that too blinding obvious to be worth mentioning here?
Over the years I found much helpful advice and guidance - including the Zen like quote from Lobster attributed to Norm: “… one truck is not one truck it’s any number of trucks…”. I don’t know if being a Matrix Hero entitles one to wear one’s underwear over one’s tights but I’m absolutely certain it doesn’t grant such heroes either the prerogative or the privilege to take a condescending and dismissive attitude towards members with quite legitimate queries no matter how terminally thick such heroes take such questions to be. Being subjected to an exasperated lecture concerning my evident stupidity is not appreciated. But I’m just a chump "wot pays ‘is money t’play the game". Hardly worth the time and effort of such a mega-intellect eh?.
I will admit to one error though. In my previous message (see 'quote' above) I qualified my criticism of x.0.40 Of course I was wrong, the qualification was unnecessary, without x.0.20 then x.0.40 is as dead as the famously deceased Norwegian Blue Parrot.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
As far as the derisory remarks about CD-ROMs are concerned, might I suggest (tongue-in-cheek) someone looks at the TOAW IV Manual, page 5, 1.1 INSTALLATION, paragraph one, reads: “… to install the game insert The Operational Art of War CD into your CD-ROM drive…” so they still have a use beyond coasters I guess!
While on the subject of the manual and since this is my parting shot I thought I’d ask if anyone has ever stopped to consider that the reason why there are so many question on here is due to the fact that the manual is so woefully impenetrable. Its the Muppet Swedish Chef meets Jame’s Joyce’s “Finnigans Wake”, an adventure in obfuscation, the grit in the engine of progress, the detritus littering the path to enlightenment, completely lacking in the clarity, precision, and simplicity necessary to fulfil its function. Its a lead pipe masquerading as a lifebelt.
Thanks again to those who've provided help in the past. I appreciated it then as I do now.