Why is it so easy for Sweden to Join the Axis? (Full Version)

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ReinerAllen -> Why is it so easy for Sweden to Join the Axis? (4/11/2020 4:23:48 PM)

Twice I've played the Allies in WaW (PBEM) and each time my opponent gets Sweden to join the Axis. This is much too easy.

Comments welcomed.

ElvisJJonesRambo -> RE: Why is it so easy for Sweden to Join the Axis? (4/13/2020 7:00:14 PM)

Guessing Axis are putting all their combined chits in Diplo? Allies can do same.

ReinerAllen -> RE: Why is it so easy for Sweden to Join the Axis? (4/14/2020 4:39:04 PM)

Thanks. I did get my opponent on Finland though, Finland is now neutral. We had a good laugh with that one.

amandkm -> RE: Why is it so easy for Sweden to Join the Axis? (4/16/2020 12:23:34 PM)

Seems to me that there are some far more tempting targets for Axis diplomacy. Yugoslavia, Dutch East Indies, Spain, Turkey, the US...

Why are you focusing on Sweden? Just curious to know if I am missing a bet.

ReinerAllen -> RE: Why is it so easy for Sweden to Join the Axis? (4/16/2020 7:44:32 PM)

It's not me focusing on Sweden, it's my friendly opponent. And he gets Sweden on his side every time. I think he likes their navy.

pjg100 -> RE: Why is it so easy for Sweden to Join the Axis? (4/16/2020 9:46:44 PM)

You should be able to block this quite easily by investing in diplomacy toward Sweden.

Zuxius -> RE: Why is it so easy for Sweden to Join the Axis? (11/16/2020 7:26:47 PM)

I like Sweden. Getting it boosts the German economy, provides a force to seize Murmansk and even a few destroyers to boot. The destroyers are great for screening before the main force and also come in handy later if you go all in navy.
You also get visibility on all those coastal waters Sweden has as well as now seeing where the pesky Russian sub is hiding. The country is pretty insulated and you get to use the full Scandinavian rail network. What could go wrong with that?

Well unfortunately, you only get a few countries to swing over to your side before the US puts their chits in...then the diplomacy game is all over.

Jackmck -> RE: Why is it so easy for Sweden to Join the Axis? (11/23/2020 7:36:41 AM)

I generally don't like Axis strategies relying on diplomacy because the randomness can make it a matter of luck instead of skill. That said, Sweden is one of the surer plays, and aside from the other reasons mentioned, activation will guarantee Sweden's resources for the Axis. As the war continues on, the Allies are likely to invest in enough diplomacy to deprive Germany of Sweden's trade and may even eventually get Sweden to join the Allies. So it is a defensive measure for the Axis too.

The best Axis window of opportunity is after the fall of France with just the UK and China able to counter (India is not able to affect Sweden). A max Axis diplomatic effort (11) vs a max allied counter (7) gives a 20% advantage- should expect 3 hits over 15 turns, one of which is a major shift. This only gets the Axis to 60-70% until the USSR can counter- bringing the Axis advantage to 5%- The Axis need to be lucky and get at least two hits more- by no means a guarantee but then again, none of the big three minor neutrals (incl Spain and Turkey) should be. Once the U.S. enters the war, it can stop Sweden from joining the Axis altogether.

But the Axis have the advantage of surprise and the Allies may not realize their plan at first. The allies may have already been investing in other diplomacy- perhaps to keep Spain and/or Turkey neutral or get the US and/or Burma into the war sooner. If Japan is threatening China appropriately, China will be pressed for all the resources it has for survival. The UK may (should) also face pressure on various fronts- bottom line- the Allies may not be able to come up with a full counter for some time. A max Axis effort with no Allied counter would be expected to score six hits over a year- most likely enough to bring Sweden in outright. Most likely, the Allies will counter when the diplomacy activity is recognized but will not be able to counter at max until after the Axis score a few times. By Jan 1941, if the Axis can get the Sweden activation level past 50%, activation in 1941 is quite likely no matter what the Allies do.

As an allied player, after noting extensive Axis diplomatic activity I'd probably put a chit or two into Turkey at first. After some Axis diplomatic success with Sweden, I'd counter with the UK and (maybe) China but this may be more to delay activation and cause the Axis in invest more resources in Diplomacy while accepting eventual Swedish activation. I'd also consider other diplomatic actions such as the U.S. while the Axis DP's are tied in with Sweden. This is why major power diplomacy should be allowed- to give the Allied player options to pose risks to just such a maximum diplomatic Axis strategy.

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