Alfred -> RE: Submarine Mining Operations (3/12/2020 3:36:47 AM)
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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget Just checked the editor - in stock scen1, the following USN submarine classes upgrade to Mk 12 mines: Dolphin 6/43 Cachalot 6/43 Porpoise 12/42 Shark 6/43 Perch 6/43 Salmon 12/42 Gar 6/43 - reverts to Mk10 9/43 The limitation of Mk 12 to these classes seems odd, since historically classes like Tambor and Gato were also used to lay Mk 12 mines. The only subs to actually lay Mk 10 mines were: Whale, Drum, Scorpion and Silversides (all Gato class). Yeah, this has always felt a bit like a database error/oversight to me as from the few sources I've found, it seems that the USN "fleet boats" should have all or nearly all been capable of laying both/either. Not a "database error/oversight", but a game engine limitation. Except for a dedicated minelaying sub, and historically the USN only ever had one, the mines "replace" torpedoes only when the sub is assigned to a sub minelaying TF. The engine allows for only one type of mine to occupy the special "mine slot". Alfred Right - what I meant by database error/oversight is that submarines which, in real life, had the option of laying Mk-10 and Mk-12 mines only get to use the Mk-10. The Mk-10 stops production in the game at the end of 1942, IIRC. The subs should have switched to Mk-12 for the mine carried by them in the database, in an upgrade around the time the Mk-10 stops production. Or be given the option for each class to convert between Mk-10 and Mk-12 via a short timescale conversion. Instead, we're stuck with subs that can't lay the mines that are actually produced in the game when in reality they could and did lay those mines. Looks like this is one of the many loose threads left over when the programmers ran out of time to finish what the designers intended because the game had a completion deadline. Just something we have to accept as "not going to happen now". I think you will find that it is a typo. The datqabase has two versions of the Mk 10 and Mk 12 mines. Device #124 remains in production throughout the entire war and device #125 is in production from December 1941. When the various sub classes go into their June 1943 upgrades, those that retain the Mk 10 in slot #9, eg the Gato, Balao, Tench classes et al, should have switched from device #1646 to device #124. Alfred
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