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actrade -> Help With Northern Fury H-Hour Scenario 1 (12/28/2019 12:02:06 PM)

I've tried repeatedly to do this scenario but can't seem to figure out a way not to lose my sidewider-equipped F16's. I read this long AAR http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=13262.0 and have tried to follow this roadmap with no luck as my F16s just get wiped out. For example, his initial encounter of 2 F16 against the 8 Flankers chasing the AWACS I simply cannot replicate no matter what I try. I have kept radars off, got in clouds, got behind the Flankers and the most I've ever killed is 3 while I always lose both my F16s. He claims to kill all 8, which I find impossible as they turn and fire on me almost immediately. I can't even get off more than 4 of my sidewiders before I'm dead. Bigger picture, I've tried to pull my CAP back past the range of their A-50, but still am no match for their Flankers/Fulcrums. What am I missing here? I'd really like to complete this series, but am so stuck on scenario 1. Thanks in advance.




erwinuri -> RE: Help With Northern Fury H-Hour Scenario 1 (12/28/2019 2:38:17 PM)

Hey! For scenario 1, you will only get to really rock when you get the F-15s and the MLUs, so don't bother too much with the initial engagement. If you get 3-4 Flankers it is already a job well done. And remember, as it has been said before over here, scenario 1 can't be won reallistically, but you have to try to lose small.




actrade -> RE: Help With Northern Fury H-Hour Scenario 1 (12/28/2019 3:05:38 PM)

I am having some luck by moving my prosecution zone back just west of 20 E. Lost 14 F-16 but have killed 30 Migs, mostly all Fulcrums. However, it's kind of gamey as I put the Migs at max range and most of my kills are as they turn for home I AB after them and kill them without a fight. Downside is I am losing all of my radars and may/may not be able to fend of the para drop on Banak later on. Reinforcements from Orland have arrived and RAF and Dutch are OTW. I may end up getting a victory in this scenario, but I really, really had to game the system, which I don't like doing.




erwinuri -> RE: Help With Northern Fury H-Hour Scenario 1 (12/28/2019 3:55:43 PM)

Protect Backstop, if not Gunner98 will be angry with you




actrade -> RE: Help With Northern Fury H-Hour Scenario 1 (12/28/2019 4:03:14 PM)

Lost that straight away lol.




magi -> RE: Help With Northern Fury H-Hour Scenario 1 (12/28/2019 7:52:53 PM)

you can try baiting them with one group... get them to chase you low... prosecute with another group out of LOS closing from the side or behind....
killing them on rtb or winchester is smart.... attrit red for and preserve your force... this is just the first battle....




Gunner98 -> RE: Help With Northern Fury H-Hour Scenario 1 (12/29/2019 1:06:40 PM)

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Protect Backstop, if not Gunner98 will be angry with you


[:D]

Hay actrade, a quote from my blog http://northernfury.us/blog/post13/

The first eight scenarios are real nail biters for NATO. In many ways the objective is to survive without losing too badly as opposed to gaining a tactical win. Operationally youíre gaining time. These are tough scenarios, but very interesting. When you play them, realize that you will get your butt kicked, but learn many valuable lessons on how the Soviets (in Northern Fury) will fight the war. The playerís resources grow over time and itís much easier to do well in #8 than in #1 or #2. Joel has created some fantastic write ups on these and a few other scenarios on Grogheads, you can find links to them here.

It sounds like you've already read Joel's (Airborne Rifles) AAR. Important to note that this was done about 5 years ago and the game has evolved since then - so results may differ [;)]

As some have said, pull back, ambush, use terrain and limited range of Sov fighters to your advantage and wait until the AMRAAM shooters arrive.

If you've read the book you'll know that day one does not go so well for NATO, you are outnumbered, outclassed and out maneuvered - the Soviets would not fight stupid and really stacked the odds in the first few scenarios. It's also important to understand that my overriding priority when building scenarios is to tell a story, it helps feed the book(s) {yes - Book 2 is coming along nicely} and it links into other scenarios. So balance is achieved by points and not necessarily the traditional kill ratios.

So my advice to you is - do you're best but you will lose in the traditional sense, the Soviets want to eviscerate you and hand your innards back on a silver platter. Don't worry, NATO gets there's back in later scenarios.

Enjoy the role of the underdog..

B





actrade -> RE: Help With Northern Fury H-Hour Scenario 1 (12/29/2019 2:11:38 PM)

Lesson learned [:D] BTW love you scenarios Gunner. Final score 456 Triumph

SIDE: Warsaw Pact
===========================================================

LOSSES:
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2x 3MS-2 Bison B [Tanker]
3x An-12BK-PPS Cub D
20x An-12BP Cub A
1x DKA Serna [Pr.1177.0]
4x LCM Ondatra [P.1176 Akula]
1x LDK Kapitan Sorokin
2x MDK Pomornik [Pr.1232.2 Zubr]
2x Mi-24P Hind F
2x Mi-24P Hind F
40x MiG-23MLD Flogger K
6x MiG-25RBS Foxbat D
8x MiG-27K Flogger J
38x MiG-29 Fulcrum A
1x MPK Poti [Pr.204]
4x MRK Nanuchka III [Pr.1234.1 Ovod]
1x PL-641 Foxtrot
1x PL-877 Kilo
1x PSKA Saygak [Pr.14081]
6x RK Osa II [Pr.205U]
4x RK Tarantul III [Pr.1241.1M]
1x SDK Polnochny A [Pr.770MA]
1x SDK Polnochny B [Pr.771]
2x SKR Mirka II [Pr.35M]
8x Su-17M-4 Fitter K
6x Su-17M-4R Fitter K
22x Su-24M Fencer D
6x Su-24MP Fencer F
9x Su-25 Frogfoot A
38x Su-27S Flanker B
4x Tu-16RM-1/2 Badger D


EXPENDITURES:
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492x 130mm/52 HE
79x 14.5mm MG Burst [20 rnds]
29x 23mm AM-23 x 2 Burst [50 rnds]
9x 30mm Gsh-30-1 Burst [30 rnds]
1578x 7.62mm MG Burst [20 rnds]
720x 73mm 2A28 Grom HE
1x 81mm HE Mortar
194x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR SARH]
74x AA-10 Alamo C [R-27ER, LR SARH]
108x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
32x AA-7 Apex C [R-24R, SARH]
44x AA-7 Apex E [R-24MR, SARH]
2x AA-8 Aphid [R-60T]
6x AA-8 Aphid [R-60TM]
22x AK-230 30mm/65 Twin Burst [50 rnds]
2x AK-630M 30mm/65 Gatling Burst [400 rnds]
4x AS-10 Karen [Kh-25L]
2x AS-12 Kegler [Kh-25MP, ARM]
7x AS-14 Kedge [Kh-29L]
8x AS-14 Kedge [Kh-29T]
31x AS-18 Kazoo A [Kh-59M]
3x AS-7 Kerry [Kh-23]
72x AT-3 Sagger B [9M14M Malyutka]
4x AT-6 Spiral [9M114 Sturm-V]
24x BetAB-500SP CB [12 x Anti-Runway Penetrator Bomblets]
30x FAB-500M-62 GPB
4x Generic Acoustic Decoy
148x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
58x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
1x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
71x Generic Flare Salvo [2x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
97x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
66x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
180x Generic Unguided Anti Tank Weapon
16x KAB-1500Kr TV/EO
2x KAB-1500L-Pr LGB [Penetrator]
2x KAB-500Kr TV/EO
16x RBK-500-ZAB [117 x ZAB-2.5SM Incendiary]
64x S-5K 57mm Rocket
18x SA-16 Gimlet [9M313]
33x SA-5c Gammon [5V28M5]
3x SA-7b Grail [9M32M]
15x SS-1c Scud B [8K14-8F44, Conventional]
15x SS-1c Scud B RV [Conventional]
1x SS-N-22 Sunburn [P-80 Zubr]
18x SS-N-9 Siren [P-120 Malakhit]



SIDE: NATO
===========================================================

LOSSES:
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6x 105mm/22 M101 Towed Howitzer
6x 40mm/70 Single Bofors
1x A/C Hangar (4x Large Aircraft)
1x Building (Control Tower)
2x Bunker (COMINT Station)
1x Bunker (ELINT Station)
2x F 300 Oslo [Dealey Mod]
4x F-15C Eagle
36x F-16A Falcon
4x F-16A Falcon
10x F-5A Freedom Fighter
24x Infantry Section [7.62mm MG/Unguided Infantry Anti Tank Weapon]
1x Lynx Mk86
3x NM-135 APC [M113A1]
1x P 980 SnÝgg
1x P 986 Hauk
2x P-3C Orion Update III
1x P-3N Orion
2x Radar (AN/FPS-110)
2x Radar (AN/FPS-6A HF)
3x Radar (Coastal)
1x Radar (GLOBUS I [Creek Maid ELINT Station])
1x Radar (GLOBUS I [EO/IR/ELINT Station])
2x Radar (S-244 HF)
2x Radar (S-266)
2x Radar (S-600 Gapfiller)
3x RB 70 Rayrider Mk1 MANPADS
1x Structure (Pier [Extra Large, 200-500m])
3x Vehicle (RSS-40 Skyguard)
1x W 320 Nordkapp


EXPENDITURES:
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30x 150 USG Drop Tank
1x 20mm M39 x 2 Burst [80 rnds]
28x 20mm/80 Rhinemetall Mk20 Rh202 Burst [20 rnds]
58x 20mm/85 M61A1 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
84x 370 USG Drop Tank
196x 40mm/70 Single Bofors Burst [4 rnds]
844x 40mm/70 Single Breda Burst [4 rnds]
2x 57mm/70 Bofors Mk2 GP Burst [4 rnds]
69x 600 USG Drop Tank
680x 76mm/50 Mk22 Bofors HE
4x 76mm/50 Twin Frag Burst [2 rnds]
91x AIM-120A AMRAAM
56x AIM-120B AMRAAM
247x AIM-9L Sidewinder
5x AIM-9M Sidewinder
25x AIM-9N Sidewinder
41x AN/SSQ-53B DIFAR
33x AN/SSQ-62B DICASS
12x DM2A3 Seehecht
54x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
115x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
6x Mistral 1
4x Mk186 TORCH Flare [Seduction]
20x RB 12 Penguin Mk1
12x RB 12 Penguin Mk2
23x RB 70 Rayrider Mk1
9x RB 70 Rayrider Mk2
48x RIM-7M Sea Sparrow
2x Stingray Mod 0
8x T1 Mod 1 [G7a Mod] Wire-Guidance Only
4x Tp 617



SIDE: Civil Infrastructure
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------


EXPENDITURES:
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Gunner98 -> RE: Help With Northern Fury H-Hour Scenario 1 (12/29/2019 6:43:59 PM)

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20x An-12BP Cub A


Looks like you got into the Paratroop stream over Banak! That is quite a trick - well done.


quote:

4x F-15C Eagle
36x F-16A Falcon
4x F-16A Falcon
10x F-5A Freedom Fighter


I think the Norgi's need a new air force! No worries - some will come back in the next scenario [;)]

Thanks for the kind words





magi -> RE: Help With Northern Fury H-Hour Scenario 1 (12/30/2019 1:01:51 AM)

this is good to hear....."{yes - Book 2 is coming along nicely} and it links into other scenarios. "...
waitin on you guys.....




Vulcan607 -> RE: Help With Northern Fury H-Hour Scenario 1 (1/2/2020 7:21:09 PM)

So how are people finding the CMO interface? I am struggling to select airfields as they are usually a blob of lots of different hangers and bunkers instead of one icon and grouped units arenít grouped going to have to look through the manual




Gunner98 -> RE: Help With Northern Fury H-Hour Scenario 1 (1/2/2020 9:39:45 PM)

Are you in group view or unit view? (Numpad 9 to toggle)
You can also drag select and hit 'g' to group




Vulcan607 -> RE: Help With Northern Fury H-Hour Scenario 1 (1/4/2020 8:57:53 AM)

I will have a look thanks itís been driving me nuts for the past few days!




Gunner98 -> RE: Help With Northern Fury H-Hour Scenario 1 (1/7/2020 11:51:13 PM)

Vulcan607

I've just had the same thing happen to me in another large scenario. Got a message that the Autosave had failed and the game then switched to unit mode and would not go back to group mode.

I tried shutting down and restarting etc. I tried the alternate Hotkey for Group mode (V) and that worked. Numpad '9' does not work anymore for that scenario but it did before the incident.


I'll report it on the tech forum.




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