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jagsdomain -> Midway must be good movie. (11/9/2019 1:28:34 PM)

I know Rotten Tomatoes is a shill sight. How ever audiance score is 90 percent and critics is 40 percent.
No spoilers! Lol hase anyone seen it?




rockmedic109 -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/9/2019 5:25:04 PM)

Haven't seen it but never fall for the critics. With only one exception in the Sacramento area, Star Wars was rated as a bomb by every critic I read. Not even given a single star {1-5 star ratings at the time in local newspapers}. Ignore the critics.....unless they are from this forum. I wished I had listened to the forum before loosing a few precious hours of my life watching TMTSNBN.




jagsdomain -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/9/2019 6:33:54 PM)

Yes. If the critics hate it will be good.
I dont understand what movie you are talking about?
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ORIGINAL: rockmedic109

Haven't seen it but never fall for the critics. With only one exception in the Sacramento area, Star Wars was rated as a bomb by every critic I read. Not even given a single star {1-5 star ratings at the time in local newspapers}. Ignore the critics.....unless they are from this forum. I wished I had listened to the forum before loosing a few precious hours of my life watching TMTSNBN.





Orm -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/9/2019 7:33:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jagsdomain

Yes. If the critics hate it will be good.
I dont understand what movie you are talking about?
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ORIGINAL: rockmedic109

Haven't seen it but never fall for the critics. With only one exception in the Sacramento area, Star Wars was rated as a bomb by every critic I read. Not even given a single star {1-5 star ratings at the time in local newspapers}. Ignore the critics.....unless they are from this forum. I wished I had listened to the forum before loosing a few precious hours of my life watching TMTSNBN.



The Movie That Should Not Be Named?




HansBolter -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/9/2019 8:12:59 PM)

Shall Not, not Should Not.




AcePylut -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/9/2019 8:21:50 PM)

Critics loved The Last Jedi. It sucked donkey cajones.




Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/9/2019 11:48:45 PM)

It is at 48/100 at Metacritic, as of Nov 9th, 8pm EST

so at most it is mixed reviews; I normally check some positive, some negative reviews and that is then enough for me to decide if I would like it


https://www.metacritic.com/movie/midway





jagsdomain -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/10/2019 12:40:13 AM)

That would be Bay but I cannot say the movie because it destroys my day
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ORIGINAL: Orm

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ORIGINAL: jagsdomain

Yes. If the critics hate it will be good.
I dont understand what movie you are talking about?
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ORIGINAL: rockmedic109

Haven't seen it but never fall for the critics. With only one exception in the Sacramento area, Star Wars was rated as a bomb by every critic I read. Not even given a single star {1-5 star ratings at the time in local newspapers}. Ignore the critics.....unless they are from this forum. I wished I had listened to the forum before loosing a few precious hours of my life watching TMTSNBN.



The Movie That Should Not Be Named?





amon15 -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/10/2019 1:38:19 AM)

Well, considering the critics want to see drama, screenwriting etc. in a movie, and they evaluate it in this maner. I don't care about drama or characters actually, i wanna know how historicaly accurate did they portray the things that they wanted to show. I want to see the battle of Midway in all it's glory, with nagumo's dilema etc. I don't care for some backstage love story...




geofflambert -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/10/2019 2:52:20 AM)

Is it OK to say never go to a movie with Ben Affleck in it?




Admiral DadMan -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/10/2019 1:47:11 PM)

It wasn't bad. A few too many "dramatic license" moments for my tastes, but was definitely worth it.




engineer -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/14/2019 10:34:40 PM)

I was pleasantly surprised by the movie. It focuses on the first six months of the Pacific War from the perspective of the USN with a focus on some pilots in VB-6 aboard Enterprise. I found no unforgivable howlers and most of abstractions made "movie sense" to tell the story to a general audience. However, I shudder to think at the fratricide on escorts from the AAA shooting at TBD's on the deck if they actually engaged with such tight spacing around the carriers. But the CGI was of the battle was good.




jagsdomain -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/15/2019 4:51:37 PM)

It had nothing to do with Ben it had to do with a modern CV battle group as the IJN.
It was the plot of us pilot gets transferred to RAF shot down over England picked up by the French underground then transfers to Pearl. After attack he volunteers with Doolittle for his raid.
Yea it was bad
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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Is it OK to say never go to a movie with Ben Affleck in it?





AcePylut -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/15/2019 5:56:10 PM)

Kate Beckinsale was hot. So there's that redeeming quality of TMTSNBN.




HansBolter -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/15/2019 6:58:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jagsdomain

It had nothing to do with Ben it had to do with a modern CV battle group as the IJN.
It was the plot of us pilot gets transferred to RAF shot down over England picked up by the French underground then transfers to Pearl. After attack he volunteers with Doolittle for his raid.
Yea it was bad
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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Is it OK to say never go to a movie with Ben Affleck in it?




Never underestimate just how crazy a real story can be.

How about a guy who realizes his career is going nowhere just before we get into the war, leaves the Navy to join the American Volunteer Group, runs up a score building a solid reputation, comes home and gets sidelined by an officer with a grudge over his having left in the first place, bypasses the turd, gets back into the war, gets sent to the south Pacific, cobbles together his own squadron from spare planes, runs up a score, builds a reputation becoming a top ace, eventually gets shot down near Rabaul and and finishes the war in POW camp?




fcooke -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/15/2019 7:49:35 PM)

Pappy




rustysi -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/16/2019 5:36:25 PM)

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Kate Beckinsale was hot.


I can see her in other films and not subject myself to the pain of TMTSNBN.[:D]




jagsdomain -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/16/2019 6:50:59 PM)

What is the movie your talking about?
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ORIGINAL: rustysi

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Kate Beckinsale was hot.


I can see her in other films and not subject myself to the pain of TMTSNBN.[:D]





witpqs -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/16/2019 7:04:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jagsdomain

What is the movie your talking about?
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ORIGINAL: rustysi

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Kate Beckinsale was hot.


I can see her in other films and not subject myself to the pain of TMTSNBN.[:D]



TMTSNBN = The Movie That Shall Not Be Named

[:D]




spence -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/16/2019 10:16:04 PM)

TMTSNBN refers to the happenings on 7 December 1941 near Honolulu on Oahu, Territory of Hawaii. Much of the action however precedes and comes after the title event. Strangely an actual battle took place on that date and in that place that has absolutely nothing to do with the movie.





Alpha77 -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/17/2019 11:36:11 AM)

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TMTSNBN
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....was probably more a drama/romance/comedy categories movie from what I heard (have not seen it)...

Just like The Thin Red Line which most here do not seem to like also (contrary to me) has the Guadalcanal action more as a back drop to explore deeper topics so it would be also not 100% in the war or history movie genre....at least the acting and camera work in TTRL can be admired even if one do not like the topics outside of war action.




jagsdomain -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/17/2019 2:45:57 PM)

Yes. RL storys are amazing. USS Johnston vs Japan. I meet a B17 tail gunner that watched his plane dive into the ground and he could not get out. His tail section floted to the ground. Another B17 gunner that landed in the snow with no shoot and he was fine.
RL storys are crazy but that movie and the idea that this guy went from fighters to bomber.
It is the movie that shall never be named
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: jagsdomain

It had nothing to do with Ben it had to do with a modern CV battle group as the IJN.
It was the plot of us pilot gets transferred to RAF shot down over England picked up by the French underground then transfers to Pearl. After attack he volunteers with Doolittle for his raid.
Yea it was bad
quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Is it OK to say never go to a movie with Ben Affleck in it?




Never underestimate just how crazy a real story can be.

How about a guy who realizes his career is going nowhere just before we get into the war, leaves the Navy to join the American Volunteer Group, runs up a score building a solid reputation, comes home and gets sidelined by an officer with a grudge over his having left in the first place, bypasses the turd, gets back into the war, gets sent to the south Pacific, cobbles together his own squadron from spare planes, runs up a score, builds a reputation becoming a top ace, eventually gets shot down near Rabaul and and finishes the war in POW camp?





fcooke -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/17/2019 4:14:12 PM)

Crazy stuff happens at times. I thought the B-17 tail gunner was completely shot off the rest of the plane and somehow pirouted down to the ground - but maybe a different event.

IIRC there was a similar event with an airliner in the 70s where a young girl survived by being in the tail end of a plane - sole survivor.




Ddog -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/17/2019 8:16:55 PM)

It is funny they portray the director John Ford as being at Midway, because he is quoted as saying "Never let the facts stand in the way of a good movie." The movie was not good and borderline factual.

It was actually factual in the some of the events. But things like no fighter squadrons on the American CV's really ruined it for me. The dialog is laughable at some points. If you like TMTSNBN then you will like this movie.

In summary, if the "how" matters to you, then you won't like it. For instance, in the movie, Pearl Harbor is attacked and the Arizona is sunk. But these things were not done as they truly were in history. If you are going to see a shoot em up like Independence Day, you'll enjoy the movie.




rkr1958 -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/17/2019 11:04:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jagsdomain
No spoilers!
Sorry ... but I just found this funny. Battle of Midway ... no spoilers.




Big B -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/17/2019 11:43:06 PM)

+1
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ORIGINAL: Ddog

It is funny they portray the director John Ford as being at Midway, because he is quoted as saying "Never let the facts stand in the way of a good movie." The movie was not good and borderline factual.

It was actually factual in the some of the events. But things like no fighter squadrons on the American CV's really ruined it for me. The dialog is laughable at some points. If you like TMTSNBN then you will like this movie.

In summary, if the "how" matters to you, then you won't like it. For instance, in the movie, Pearl Harbor is attacked and the Arizona is sunk. But these things were not done as they truly were in history. If you are going to see a shoot em up like Independence Day, you'll enjoy the movie.


I saw the movie today, and to tell you the truth - I was shocked at how good it was - for 2019.
If it had one glaring drawback it was the modern way special effects are done... but that seems to be the standard for ALL action sequences these days (video game generation).
And make no mistake, it was written and shot to appeal to today's general audiences that know nothing of history, and expects action sequences to look like the MCU, or Star Wars, or JJ Abram's Star Trek movies....purely farcical comic book stuff.
If you can ignore that aspect, the movie essentially told the story of Enterprise's Bombing 6, and the key players and events of the Pacific War from PH to Midway - and did an incredible job of it...for a 2019 movie.

I saw it at a matinee for $6, and was happy with it. I don't think it's really comparable to TMTSNBN, and compared to the 1970's Midway movie - I think it's head and shoulders above that p.o.s.

B




Big B -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/18/2019 12:46:14 AM)

As a follow up, I thought the cast was good, and looking up the characters (the military ones - not the few wives) I see no big inaccuracies in the portrayals, for instance John Ford was indeed lightly wounded during the Midway Island attack, Intelligence Office E. Layton was indeed fluent in Japanese and met with Admiral Yamamoto several times before the war while spending three years posted in Japan, It showed the two unfortunate naval airmen picked up by a Japanese DD and executed by being tossed overboard. Probably The principal character was Dick Best - who appears to be one of only two dive bomber pilots in history to planted bombs on two different enemy carriers in a single day.
Furthermore, 10 years ago I was in regular correspondence with a living member of Torpedo 6, and he related to me that on the evening of Dec 7th the TBD's of Torpedo 6 were sent out armed with torpedoes and after a flight of 550 miles came back aboard Enterprise still carrying their fish, when one torpedo came loose on landing and went careening across the flight deck...ONE man managed to wrestle it to a stop - just as portrayed in the movie.
And the submarine Nautilus finally got it's due in a movie - for the critical part it played in the battle.

So yeah, if you can get past the over-the-top pace of action in several sequences - a pretty good movie (except the Lexington was not a Yorktown class carrier...dumb mistake when it's all cgi).

B




BBfanboy -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/18/2019 12:52:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Big B

As a follow up, I thought the cast was good, and looking up the characters (the military ones - not the few wives) I see no big inaccuracies in the portrayals, for instance John Ford was indeed lightly wounded during the Midway Island attack, Intelligence Office E. Layton was indeed fluent in Japanese and met with Admiral Yamamoto several times before the war while spending three years posted in Japan, It showed the two unfortunate naval airmen picked up by a Japanese DD and executed by being tossed overboard. Probably The principal character was Dick Best - who appears to be one of only two dive bomber pilots in history to planted bombs on two different enemy carriers in a single day.
Furthermore, 10 years ago I was in regular correspondence with a living member of Torpedo 6, and he related to me that on the evening of Dec 7th the TBD's of Torpedo 6 were sent out armed with torpedoes and after a flight of 550 miles came back aboard Enterprise still carrying their fish, when one torpedo came loose on landing and went careening across the flight deck...ONE man managed to wrestle it to a stop - just as portrayed in the movie.

So yeah, if you can get past the over-the-top pace of action in several sequences - a pretty good movie (except the Lexington was not a Yorktown class carrier...dumb mistake when it's all cgi).

B

My comment about the torpedo skidding across the deck was "See, there's the evidence that the torpedoes don't work!" (meaning it should have gone off).




Big B -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/18/2019 12:58:49 AM)

I'm no Torpedo bomber pilot...but I think the torpedo has to be armed on dropping before it can go off...otherwise what would keep it from going off during flight? I don't know...

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: Big B
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Furthermore, 10 years ago I was in regular correspondence with a living member of Torpedo 6, and he related to me that on the evening of Dec 7th the TBD's of Torpedo 6 were sent out armed with torpedoes and after a flight of 550 miles came back aboard Enterprise still carrying their fish, when one torpedo came loose on landing and went careening across the flight deck...ONE man managed to wrestle it to a stop - just as portrayed in the movie.

B

My comment about the torpedo skidding across the deck was "See, there's the evidence that the torpedoes don't work!" (meaning it should have gone off).





LeeChard -> RE: Midway must be good movie. (11/18/2019 9:26:32 AM)

Torpedoes armed themselves after traveling a short distance so they couldn't accidentally go off. Same with sub launches.




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