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Skyros -> Kaga Found (10/18/2019 3:40:54 PM)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rv-petrel-battle-midway-kaga-wreck-aircraft-carrier-ww2-paul-allen-a9161481.html




warspite1 -> RE: Kaga Found (10/18/2019 4:14:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Skyros

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rv-petrel-battle-midway-kaga-wreck-aircraft-carrier-ww2-paul-allen-a9161481.html

warspite1

It's a shame the USN couldn't sink her and she had to be scuttled - thus handing the moral victory at Midway to the IJN.



































Sits back, relaxes, breaks open a nice cool bottle of lager and waits....




spence -> RE: Kaga Found (10/18/2019 5:01:54 PM)

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thus handing the moral victory at Midway to the IJN.


Hell of a victory for sure.




HansBolter -> RE: Kaga Found (10/18/2019 5:09:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1



thus handing the moral victory at Midway to the IJN.




In someone's alternate universe perhaps.......




Didn't have to wait long for the reactions to your offensive troll did you?




John B. -> RE: Kaga Found (10/18/2019 5:41:02 PM)

If only the IJN had scuttled itself off of pearl harbor on the afternoon of December 7, 1941 the Empire of Japan could have claimed a moral victory for the entire war. :)

Interesting video of the Kaga. I would assume they kept the location secret except for the government of Japan. I read that's what they did when they found the Bismark (except, of course, that they notified Germany).




BBfanboy -> RE: Kaga Found (10/18/2019 5:43:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HansBolter


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ORIGINAL: warspite1



thus handing the moral victory at Midway to the IJN.




In someone's alternate universe perhaps.......




Didn't have to wait long for the reactions to your offensive troll did you?

When you recognize someone is trolling for fun (per the fine print in W1's post), all that is necessary is to laugh at the ridiculousness of the assertion! [:D]
Offense and indignation are for when someone really means/believes in something immoral or untrue. W1 could easily have put "j/k" at the end of his tiny text but it is implied so I chuckle at his little dig at the USN.




Zorch -> RE: Kaga Found (10/18/2019 6:27:52 PM)

KAGA WAS NOT SCUTTLED!!!

Rafe planted a bomb with a 6 month delay fuse.




HansBolter -> RE: Kaga Found (10/18/2019 7:24:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: HansBolter


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ORIGINAL: warspite1



thus handing the moral victory at Midway to the IJN.




In someone's alternate universe perhaps.......




Didn't have to wait long for the reactions to your offensive troll did you?

When you recognize someone is trolling for fun (per the fine print in W1's post), all that is necessary is to laugh at the ridiculousness of the assertion! [:D]
Offense and indignation are for when someone really means/believes in something immoral or untrue. W1 could easily have put "j/k" at the end of his tiny text but it is implied so I chuckle at his little dig at the USN.



Thank you very much for the lecture.

You are free to react to trolling in whatever manner you choose and I would never presume to lecture you on how I believe you should respond.




BBfanboy -> RE: Kaga Found (10/18/2019 11:02:42 PM)

Yes Hans, you can choose to react however you want. I just feel that the indignant reaction is what the trolls want to see so I deny it to them.
Different strokes for different folks. My high opinion of you as a player and as a man is not diminished by your response. If anything I appreciate your openness about how you feel about things that bug you.




warspite1 -> RE: Kaga Found (10/19/2019 12:12:40 AM)

Wow that was unexpected!

Offensive trolling? After 11 years on the forums I have a pretty good understanding of fellow long-standing, frequent posting, forumites and their views and thought others in the community would have the same awareness. To react in that way (despite the footnote) to someone who has never denigrated the USN – in fact quite the opposite - is pretty sad. I guess some people just get off on feeling offended and aren’t happy unless playing the victim.

So thanks to those with a sense of humour who appear to have understood there was nothing malicious intended - although one small correction BBanboy, this was no dig at the USN - this was of course a tongue-in-cheek reference to the long running Bismarck – scuttled or sunk routine – and a poke in the ribs at those individuals that believe that Bismarck was scuttled (which she may well have been) but that, if so, that in some way takes away the Royal Navy’s victory – and then appear unable to join the dots when it comes to Midway.

Zorch, stupidly I never considered the Rafe/time delay fuse theory…. was Rafe responsible for Bismarck too perhaps? The Strategic Command game rightly recognise it was him that led the raid on Tokyo in April 1942 (not that Doolittle bloke) - I wonder if they need to amend Midway and the Sink the Bismarck episodes too....

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Chickenboy -> RE: Kaga Found (10/19/2019 1:56:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Skyros

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rv-petrel-battle-midway-kaga-wreck-aircraft-carrier-ww2-paul-allen-a9161481.html

warspite1

It's a shame the USN couldn't sink her and she had to be scuttled - thus handing the moral victory at Midway to the IJN.



































Sits back, relaxes, breaks open a nice cool bottle of lager and waits....



Troublemaker. [:D]




Zorch -> RE: Kaga Found (10/19/2019 3:41:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Zorch, stupidly I never considered the Rafe/time delay fuse theory…. was Rafe responsible for Bismarck too perhaps? The Strategic Command game rightly recognise it was him that led the raid on Tokyo in April 1942 (not that Doolittle bloke) - I wonder if they need to amend Midway and the Sink the Bismarck episodes too....

[image]local://upfiles/28156/9379CACBE14B4322A0CEF143EB660231.jpg[/image]

Rafe sank all 4 Jap carriers at Midway. Somehow the bombs he set on Shokaku and Zuikaku failed to go off - maybe because of the damage at Coral Sea.




Buckrock -> RE: Kaga Found (10/19/2019 4:35:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Wow that was unexpected!

Offensive trolling? After 11 years on the forums I have a pretty good understanding of fellow long-standing, frequent posting, forumites and their views and thought others in the community would have the same awareness. To react in that way (despite the footnote) to someone who has never denigrated the USN – in fact quite the opposite - is pretty sad. I guess some people just get off on feeling offended and aren’t happy unless playing the victim.

So thanks to those with a sense of humour who appear to have understood there was nothing malicious intended - although one small correction BBanboy, this was no dig at the USN - this was of course a tongue-in-cheek reference to the long running Bismarck – scuttled or sunk routine – and a poke in the ribs at those individuals that believe that Bismarck was scuttled (which she may well have been) but that, if so, that in some way takes away the Royal Navy’s victory – and then appear unable to join the dots when it comes to Midway.

You in particular should take more care when attempting to refloat an old idea as It might not always go as smoothly as intended (cough...Prussia Cove...cough).




warspite1 -> RE: Kaga Found (10/19/2019 5:01:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Buckrock

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Wow that was unexpected!

Offensive trolling? After 11 years on the forums I have a pretty good understanding of fellow long-standing, frequent posting, forumites and their views and thought others in the community would have the same awareness. To react in that way (despite the footnote) to someone who has never denigrated the USN – in fact quite the opposite - is pretty sad. I guess some people just get off on feeling offended and aren’t happy unless playing the victim.

So thanks to those with a sense of humour who appear to have understood there was nothing malicious intended - although one small correction BBanboy, this was no dig at the USN - this was of course a tongue-in-cheek reference to the long running Bismarck – scuttled or sunk routine – and a poke in the ribs at those individuals that believe that Bismarck was scuttled (which she may well have been) but that, if so, that in some way takes away the Royal Navy’s victory – and then appear unable to join the dots when it comes to Midway.

You in particular should take more care when attempting to refloat an old idea as It might not always go as smoothly as intended (cough...Prussia Cove...cough).
warspite1

Haha, there is a very obvious retort to that, but I shall refrain from posting because but if my original post caused the unwarranted and totally over the top reaction that it did then this - even in jest - would probably give him an attack of the vapours [8|].

So I will simply leave it with the response it deserves [:)]. HMS Warspite, that Grand Old Lady, refused to be refloated because she wasn't going to any old breakers yard. Enemy bombs, mines, torpedoes and shells couldn't destroy her - no scrap yard was going to do the job either - instead she would bow out on her own terms, at sea where she did her duty so magnificently during two world wars [&o][&o].




rustysi -> RE: Kaga Found (10/19/2019 3:49:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Skyros

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rv-petrel-battle-midway-kaga-wreck-aircraft-carrier-ww2-paul-allen-a9161481.html

warspite1

It's a shame the USN couldn't sink her and she had to be scuttled - thus handing the moral victory at Midway to the IJN.



































Sits back, relaxes, breaks open a nice cool bottle of lager and waits....



Some people just have fun poking the bear!!![8|][:D]




warspite1 -> RE: Kaga Found (10/19/2019 6:51:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rustysi


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Skyros

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rv-petrel-battle-midway-kaga-wreck-aircraft-carrier-ww2-paul-allen-a9161481.html

warspite1

It's a shame the USN couldn't sink her and she had to be scuttled - thus handing the moral victory at Midway to the IJN.



































Sits back, relaxes, breaks open a nice cool bottle of lager and waits....



Some people just have fun poking the bear!!![8|][:D]
warspite1

[:(]




Denniss -> RE: Kaga Found (10/19/2019 9:31:55 PM)

To be clear: Bismarck was scuttled but after her upperworks were being shot to pieces by the Royal Navy.




Bearcat2 -> RE: Kaga Found (10/19/2019 11:27:39 PM)

I always subscribe to the conspiracy theory that HMS Warpsite was sunk by a U-boat in 1941 and they renamed HMS Barham to Warspite to keep up British morale.




BBfanboy -> RE: Kaga Found (10/19/2019 11:53:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Denniss

To be clear: Bismarck was scuttled but after her upperworks were being shot to pieces by the Royal Navy.


Not just the upperworks. The video from the sea floor showed shell holes above the armour belt and at least one penetrating hit (probably 16") on the armour belt. Author Ludovik Kennedy was there and writes that they could see fires through sections of the hull. The Germans hastened the sinking but it was going to sink whether they scuttled or not. The Germans do get credit for building a tough ship.




spence -> RE: Kaga Found (10/20/2019 1:39:25 AM)

There was no way that the Germans could ever salvage the KMS Bismarck 300 nm West of their nearest port (Brest) just as the Japanese could never have salvaged any of their carriers when they were 700 miles or so East of their nearest port (which had no repair facilities in any case). Thus we can attribute all of the Japanese losses (regardless of what they might claim) to Rafe's prescient secreting a bomb with a multiyear fuze onto each of their carriers while an attache in Tokyo many years before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.




BBfanboy -> RE: Kaga Found (10/20/2019 2:48:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: spence

There was no way that the Germans could ever salvage the KMS Bismarck 300 nm West of their nearest port (Brest) just as the Japanese could never have salvaged any of their carriers when they were 700 miles or so East of their nearest port (which had no repair facilities in any case). Thus we can attribute all of the Japanese losses (regardless of what they might claim) to Rafe's prescient secreting a bomb with a multiyear fuze onto each of their carriers while an attache in Tokyo many years before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

Did he have a pretty US Navy nurse on exchange with the IJN give the guards their mandatory hypodermic shots in the butt so he could sneak past them? Did the guards come back for seconds?




Zorch -> RE: Kaga Found (10/20/2019 4:11:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: spence

There was no way that the Germans could ever salvage the KMS Bismarck 300 nm West of their nearest port (Brest) just as the Japanese could never have salvaged any of their carriers when they were 700 miles or so East of their nearest port (which had no repair facilities in any case). Thus we can attribute all of the Japanese losses (regardless of what they might claim) to Rafe's prescient secreting a bomb with a multiyear fuze onto each of their carriers while an attache in Tokyo many years before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

Did he have a pretty US Navy nurse on exchange with the IJN give the guards their mandatory hypodermic shots in the butt so he could sneak past them? Did the guards come back for seconds?

Ask Mandrake-san. Mandrake-san good at giving needles and know all about pretty nurses...




warspite1 -> RE: Kaga Found (10/20/2019 9:34:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Bearcat2

I always subscribe to the conspiracy theory that HMS Warpsite was sunk by a U-boat in 1941 and they renamed HMS Barham to Warspite to keep up British morale.
warspite1

I believe that was Rafe McCauley's idea too. He made the suggestion while on the phone to the PM to wish him Happy Christmas. Winston unburdened himself to Rafe about how badly things were going and Rafe, quick as a flash, came up with this spiffing wheeze [:)].




HansBolter -> RE: Kaga Found (10/20/2019 9:48:06 AM)

So who's playing the victim now.

Agitate looking for a response and when you receive it you immediately become the victim for being on the receiving end of it.

Absolutely incredible.

YOU started this skippy.

How about you man up and offer an apology for your offensive insult instead of accusing others of over reacting while playing the victim?




warspite1 -> RE: Kaga Found (10/20/2019 10:19:24 AM)

What was that response all about??

Firstly I make a perfectly inoffensive comment that you react hysterically too for absolutely no reason other than you want to see something in my post that wasn't there - and my posting history on the subject of all things USN confirms this.

The only person who has over reacted is you. If you think that my post was so outrageous why did you not have the same reaction when others have posted similar about the Bismarck episode? Why don't you get all excited and unnecessary about that?

Victim? Started this? Man up? OFFENSIVE INSULT? (did you really post that?)

Funny how others realised the post was jokey and in no way offensive - but not you - and yet you believe you are in the right. I think you need to re-read what was posted and the context and then you can apologise - which of course I accept.




Orm -> RE: Kaga Found (10/20/2019 10:33:51 AM)

Thank you, warspite1, for the laugh. [:)]




Orm -> RE: Kaga Found (10/20/2019 10:34:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Skyros

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rv-petrel-battle-midway-kaga-wreck-aircraft-carrier-ww2-paul-allen-a9161481.html


Thank you, Skyros, for sharing. [&o]




Zorch -> RE: Kaga Found (10/20/2019 11:48:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm

Thank you, warspite1, for the laugh. [:)]

The distinguished denizens of this forum can argue about absolutely anything.

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Orm -> RE: Kaga Found (10/20/2019 12:08:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Zorch

The distinguished denizens of this forum can argue about absolutely anything.

Indeed. Just remember that anything is better than nothing.




Zorch -> RE: Kaga Found (10/20/2019 2:12:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm


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ORIGINAL: Zorch

The distinguished denizens of this forum can argue about absolutely anything.

Indeed. Just remember that anything is better than nothing.

I don't know about that...there are some things I'd rather not have...




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