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peskpesk -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/13/2020 7:17:51 AM)

Land Movement continued

Germany:
Shuffels a few units around on the Eastern front.

Air Rebase:

Japan:
FTR2 (76,135) -> 106,132
LND3 (Sian) -> 103,132
NAV2 (82,135) -> Hanoi

Italy:
NAV2 (Odessa) -> 80,48
LND3 (Lubeck) -> Trapani
LND3 (Pskov) -> Odessa

Germany:
FTR3 Konginsberg->39,54
LND2 47,52->41,52
FTR2 43,52->44,53

No reorganization.

EOT less than 4 -> 8




Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/13/2020 5:02:42 PM)

M/A 42 Allied 12

No DoW

CW naval, USSR and China land, others combined.


Naval move

CW
Escorts to seas (also to Faeroes Gap).

CW CV and CA enter Faeroes Gap. Will Italians intercept?

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Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/13/2020 5:19:37 PM)

Yes, please.




Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/13/2020 6:14:54 PM)

On roll 6 intercept fails. Ships sail to Norwegian Sea box 3
CP leaves Norwegian Sea
One more CA to Norwegian Sea

Empty TRS from Africa to SW Indian Ocean
Empty AMPH to Scapa Flow
The Queens with INF from Perth to Tasmanian Sea
TRS to Timor Sea picking up TERR from Australia

CP to North Sea
CP to North Atlantic

2x Sub to BoB box 0

2x CA from Caribbean to The Solomons box 0


Naval combat

CW initiates in Norwegian Sea.




Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/13/2020 6:18:48 PM)

Both miss (Allied 9, Axis 3). It was good to take CP away from sea area.

Italy can initiate in Faeroes Gap if they like.



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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/13/2020 6:22:15 PM)

One more naval move to mention:

US sends TRS loaded with CVP to sea area near Pearl Harbor.




Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/13/2020 6:24:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer_slith

Italy can initiate in Faeroes Gap if they like.

No, thank you.




Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/13/2020 6:37:14 PM)

File back to JJ for USSR moves.




jjdenver -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/14/2020 12:33:45 AM)

42 MA i12 (cont):
Bad weather sees the Red Army move a few units around, China puts a 4 defense INF into Chengtu. Turn ends on a 5 roll.

No partisans.

US picks 1 chit v GE, 1 v JP and finally is able to pass war appropriations - moving 1 chit to tension vs GE/IT.
Huzzah.




Courtenay -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/14/2020 11:56:51 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jjdenver

42 MA i12 (cont):
Bad weather sees the Red Army move a few units around, China puts a 4 defense INF into Chengtu. Turn ends on a 5 roll.

No partisans.

US picks 1 chit v GE, 1 v JP and finally is able to pass war appropriations - moving 1 chit to tension vs GE/IT.
Huzzah.

Believe it or not, M/A '42 is supposed to be the "average" turn the US passes the War Appropriations bill It always feels late to me, but that is what I have heard. I have seen the US pass WA much earlier, but never much later, so I, personally am not at all sure of that average statement.




Centuur -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/14/2020 12:16:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Courtenay


quote:

ORIGINAL: jjdenver

42 MA i12 (cont):
Bad weather sees the Red Army move a few units around, China puts a 4 defense INF into Chengtu. Turn ends on a 5 roll.

No partisans.

US picks 1 chit v GE, 1 v JP and finally is able to pass war appropriations - moving 1 chit to tension vs GE/IT.
Huzzah.

Believe it or not, M/A '42 is supposed to be the "average" turn the US passes the War Appropriations bill It always feels late to me, but that is what I have heard. I have seen the US pass WA much earlier, but never much later, so I, personally am not at all sure of that average statement.


That's right. If you have an Axis player who really plays not to upset US entry, it can even happen that the bill gets passed half a year later.
If the Euroaxis only take Denmark and Poland during 1939 and the Japanese decide on a Sitzkrieg in China, it is possible to delay US entry quite good with all the low value chits drawn in 1940. Personally, I don't like that strategy. I like to get a shot at conquering China and taking out the Low Countries (and perhaps France, I've seen it happen) in 1939. But that means high value chits drawn for the US...




Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/15/2020 7:17:15 PM)

Axis end of turn:

Preliminary planning:
Germany - 29 production points - 32 BPs. Save 3 oil. 1 in Berlin, 1 in Budapest, and 1 in Prague.
Italy - 11 production points - 16 BPs. Save 1 oil in Rome.
Japan - 14 production points - 18 BPs. Save no oil.
Vichy France - 3 production points - 19 BPs. Will be changed to 2 production points, and 18 BPs, after return to base. (plus 11 saved BPs on the map)

Stay at sea:
The following units stay at sea.

Germany:
Baltic Sea: 4 x CPs.
Western Mediterranean: CA
Italian Coast: CP
Eastern Mediterranean: CP

Vichy France:
Western Mediterranean: CP
OBS! the other 2 Vichy CPs return to base (need to remove sentry and likely to be clicked on to return to base).

Italy:
Italian Coast: 2 x CA
East Med: 2 x CA

Japan:
Bismarck Sea: CP
China Sea: 9 x CP
South China Sea: 1 x CP

Return to Base:

Germany:
Norwegian Sea: CA -> Petsamo; BB -> Kiel
Arctic Sea: 2 x BB -> Petsamo
North Atlantic: SUB -> La Rochelle
Cape Verde Basin: SUB -> La Rochelle
Eastern Mediterranean: FTR2 -> Famagusta; LND2 -> 82,53
North Sea: FTR2 (FW190A-2) -> 45,36; FTR2 (Fw190A-1) -> Hamburg; FTR2 (Hun) -> 46,36; NAV3 -> 43,37

Vichy France:
Western Mediterranean: TRS -> Marseilles
CSV: CP -> Marseilles
CVB: CP -> Marseilles

Italy:
Faeroes Gap: SUB -> Brest
North Atlantic: SUB -> Brest
Eastern Mediterranean: 2 x BB + 3 x CA + 2 x TRS -> La Spezia
North Sea: FTR2 (Re.2000) -> 51,30; LND3 (Z.1007) -> Kolberg; LND3 (SM.79) + NAV2 -> Rouen; FTR2 + NAV3 (Z.506B) -> Brest; 2 x NAV3 -> Antwerp

Japan:
-

Use Oil:

Germany:
All units are reorganized for 2 oil (2.1). Use 2 saved oil in Budapest.

Italy:
All units are reorganized for 3 oil (2.8). Use 1 oil in Milan, and 2 oil in Turin.

Japan:
All units are reorganized, escept 2 x CA (Idzumo + Kaki) + 2 x CP (Fukuoka) are reorganized for 2 oil (2.45). Use 1 oil in Shanghai, and 1 oil in Tokyo.

Vichy France:
No reorganization needed.

Breakdown: -

Prod plan Final:
Germany - No changes should be needed - 32 BPs
Italy - No changes needed - 16 BPs
Japan - No changes should be needed - 18 BPs
Vichy France - No changes should be needed - 18 BPs

Scrap:
-

Production:
Germany (32):
INF Div
MIL
MTN
MECH
AT (4)
2 x FTR2
LND2
FTR3
3 x Pilot


Italy (16):
INF
TERR
FTR2
LND4
Pilot
BB (Repair)
SUB (1st)

Japan (18):
INF
GARR
FTR2
CVP1
Pilot
CP
BB (Repair)
BB (1st)
SUB (1st)
SUB (2nd)

Vichy France (18 + 11):
Save 4 BP in Lyons, 6 BP in Marseilles, 7 BP in Nice, 4 BP in Touloun, 4 BP in Toulouse, and 4 BP in Vichy.

Factory destruction: Germany destroy the factory in Odessa

Reinforcements:

Germany:
FTR2 (FW 190G3) + LND2 (Ju 87D) -> Königsberg
2 x ENG + INF -> Königsberg
GARR -> Kiel
MIL -> Berlin

Italy:
FTR2 (Macchi C.200) -> Genoa
GARR (Genoa)
AT -> Naples
BB + 3 x SUB -> La Spezia

Japan:
CVP1 (A6M3) -> CV (Zuikako - in Tokyo)
CVP0 (D3A1 - 3 range) -> CV (Zuikako - in Tokyo)
NAV3 (G4M1) -> Sasebo
SUB -> Tokyo
CP -> Fukuoka
Remove LND2 in Sasebo

Voluntary Resource Lending:
Modified; Germany -> Italy: 8 resources, (2 oil, minimum)

Axis goes first if we win the initiative. No re-roll.




Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/17/2020 6:57:03 PM)

Units destroyed

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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/20/2020 11:25:17 AM)

Turn end Allies

Pre prod

China 4 BPs
CW 26 BPs saves 2 oils in UK.
FF 2 BPs
US 30 BPs
USSR 28 BPs (Leningrad oil is used)


Stay at sea and RTB
US
cp Bismarck Sea -> Pago
cp Solomons -> Pearl
TRS Carib -> Philadelphia
2cp Carib -> Norfolk
2cp Mex Coast -> Norfolk
2 TRS Christmas Island -> San Diego

CW
Some CPs return to ports:
Arctic Ocean
All CPs Bay of Bengal, South China Sea and Timor Sea
1 CP from Cape Naturaliste

Many other ships return to base too, most important ones:
Empty TRS near Austalia to Bombay
The Queens with INF to Bombay
TRS with TERR to Adeleide
To Sierra Leone CV Ark Royal from Faeroes Gap, CV from North Atlantic, CVL from Central Atlantic, BB from CSV and 2 CAs from near by sea areas.
Subs to Denmark and Gibraltar

Free France
2 CA return to base


Reorg
USSR no units to reorg
CW reorg all for 5,05 oil using 3 oils from India and one from Kuwait
FF reorg all for free
US reorg using 1.45 oil. Leaving disorg Pensacola CA and Northampton CA in Norfolk


Production

China 4 BPs
MIL
GAR

CW 26 BPs
CVP1
3x FTR2
3x Pilot
INF
MOT
TERR
CV (1st)
CP
CA repair
Sub repair

FF 2 BPs
Pilot


US 30 BPs
INF
TERR
2x Pilot
FTR2
2x CVP1
Sub (1st)
BB (1st)
AMPH (1st)
CV (2nd)
BB (2nd)
TRS (2nd)

USSR 28 BPs
INF
MOT
TERR
HQ-A
2x Pilot
2x FTR2
LND2
Save 1 BP


Reinforcements
CW
3x CP to Scapa Flow
TRS to Liverpool
FTR2 to Liverpool
FTR2 to Southampton
GAR to Adelaide Australia
MOT to Auckland New Zealand
TERR Lagos

Remove pilot from CVP

US PIL into SBD-4 orange and F4F-3 with 1 bomb factor and place both on Saratoga
PIL into Hudson and place at Norfolk
2xBB -> San Diego
AMPH -> Norfolk
INF -> San Diego
CP -> Norfolk

USSR
PIL into Yak-9M,P-40F,Yak-1 leave 1 PIL in the reserve pool
INF7,GAR,ART,Yak-9M -> Smolensk
INF6 -> Kalinin
MECH,P-40F -> Gomel
CAV -> Vologda
TER -> Port Arthur
Yak-1 -> Vologda

ComChi INF to Ningsia


Resource lending

US to CW 2 oil
CW to USSR 3 oil and 1 BP


Initiative Axis 1, Allied 3.

Allies go first.

Weather is fine everywhere.




jjdenver -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/22/2020 6:19:31 PM)

42 MJ i1 (allies):
SU,CH land
US, CW combined

naval air:
Hurricane Aden -> Red Sea 0 box
I-17 Archangel area -> Arctic Ocean 0 box

naval move:
TRS and HQ from Archangel to Faeroes Gap box 0
2xTRS+CA Bombay -> Red Sea 0 box carrying INF+MIL
FF CAs to North Atlantic and East Coast box 4.

GS:
3-2 ART near Mogilev GS forest hex ARM,ARM,ARMDIV miss all 10 7 5

land move:
US moves around a few units on east coast
CW ARM HQ to Alexandria.
ComChi INF Ningsia 2 hexes SE

Debark
GAR and INF to Suez

Rebase
FTR3 from Iraq to Egypt (82,62) east of Port Said. Intercept range from Alexandria to Haifa.
Yak-1 Vologda -> Mogilev
IL-2 Smolensk 1 hex SW
Beaufort Basra -> near Suez
Spitfire Basra -> Oman
Wellington India -> Kuwait
CVP Gladiator (3 A2A, no sea factor) in Sierra Leone from CVL Hermes to CV Courageous.

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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/23/2020 8:41:55 AM)

Our opponents are good players and they perform sneaky attacks. In our last game I learned it hard way when they sailed ATR and PARA from Italy Cyprus and same impulse paradropped to Palestine.

Late in last turn they railed MOT and MECH to La Spezia, I knew something is coming. But I didn't pay enough attention to that and played naval impulse as planned. When turn ended I checked situation in Egypt. I believe they planned to sail MOT and MECH to Bardia in Africa and sail task force to box 4 for shore bombardment. Land units could attack Alexandria same impulse, only one INF defending there. This attack would have been 16:5 + 16 shore bombardment + possibly planes.

Lucky us to win initiative...

I might be wrong and you are about to see something else [:)]

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Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/23/2020 6:28:44 PM)

No, you are not wrong. Our primary idea was to attack Alexandria directly, on the first impulse, if we won the initiative. Our preliminary count got it to a +15 assault on Alexandria. Alas, now that surprise campaign on Suez will never be. [:)]

Landing air Egypt was a bit of a tell, but we gambled on winning the initiative. It was fairly likely that we would do so.




Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/23/2020 7:32:05 PM)

I realized it after looking the map right after turn ended. Plane to Africa confirmed it. But without last game I probably would have not seen it coming.

Wise people learn from other people’s mistakes, stupid don’t learn even from own mistakes. I consider myself average. And lucky, it was all about initiative and Axis had +2.




Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/28/2020 6:10:37 AM)

May/Jun '42
Impulse #2 (Axis)

No declarations of war.

Land: Japan
Combined: Germany, Italy
Naval:

Germany port strikes Frederikshavn.

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Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/28/2020 6:29:59 AM)

And the port strikes ends with an expected 1-10 split in favour of CW. I expect an avoid combat, and will continue on that premise. I will go back if I was in error.



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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/28/2020 6:38:12 AM)

Avoid combat is good.

1-10 was expexted, port strike was so obvious [:)]




Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/28/2020 6:41:22 AM)

Indeed. [:)]

But often you need to do the expected. [:D]




Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/28/2020 7:21:59 AM)

May/Jun '42
Impulse #2 (Axis)

No naval air.

Naval Movement:

Germany:
U-boat (La Rochelle) -> North Sea 2-box
U-boat (La Rochelle) -> Bay of Biscay 4-box

Italy:
SUB (La Spezia) -> Mouths of the Amazon 0-box
SUB (La Spezia) -> Mouths of the Amazon 1-box
SUB (La Spezia) -> CSV 4-box

Germany searches for Allied shipping in the North Sea. Axis add no air to the sea area. Will CW reinforce the North Sea?

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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/28/2020 9:24:55 AM)

Hurricane IIB to box 0.
NAV2 and Spitfire VB to box 1.

Thank you.




Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/29/2020 5:13:26 AM)

The German U-boat finds, and aborts the Allied CP. Axis rolled 1 while Allies rolled 3. The 4 surprise points was enough to make it an submarine combat.

The German SUB decline further combat.

I aborted the CP to Scapa Flow. I can change it if need be.




Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/29/2020 5:17:02 AM)

May/Jun '42
Impulse #2 (Axis)

Germany search for the Allied convoy in the Bay of Biscay.

Axis decline to reinforce the sea area. Will CW?

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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/29/2020 5:55:37 AM)

No thank you.

Abort was good.




Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/29/2020 6:03:36 AM)

The German U-boat finds and sink 1 CP. (Axis 4, Allies 5)

Axis has 5 surprise points and spend 2 of them defensively to eliminate the abort, and the remaining two points to increase the A to one sunk CP.

Germany remain in the sea area.

Will CW stay for another round?

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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/29/2020 6:08:04 AM)

CW stay, no planes unless Axis send.




Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (7/29/2020 6:18:41 AM)

The SUB finds a second time. (Axis 4, Allies 1)

Axis selects SUB combat. The SUB suffers an abort (1 rolled) while the CW CP is aborted automatically.

To what port will the CP abort. (Note that a Italian SUB can intercept in CSV)




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