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sPzAbt653 -> Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/25/2019 11:37:09 PM)

Nach Frankreich 1940(t) v1.7

German Human against Allied PO only




sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/25/2019 11:38:41 PM)

Nach Frankreich 1940 v1.3

Western Allies Human against German PO or PBEM




sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 1:36:02 AM)

Nach Frankreich - To France ! The German 1940 campaign against the Western Allies to conquer Luxembourg, Holland, Belgium and France. 5km per hex, Regimental scale, 85 turns.

Jump Map:

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 1:44:07 AM)

The Netherlands:

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 1:48:05 AM)

Belgium:

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 1:58:51 AM)

The French 1st and 9th Armies are ready to move to the Dyle and Meuse lines.

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 2:12:14 AM)

The French 2nd Army protects the unfortified sector of the Meuse.

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 2:30:09 AM)

The heavily fortified Maginot Line, backed up by four French Armies containing 400,000 men.

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 2:45:51 AM)

The German 18th Army is ready to move into the Netherlands.

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 2:59:13 AM)

The German 6th Army is in position to assault southern Holland and Northern Belgium.

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 3:04:39 AM)

German 4th Army with Hoth's panzers ready to move on Dinant and Namur.

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 3:07:48 AM)

German 12th Army with Kleist's Panzer Group in position to assault the Belgian Ardennes.

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 3:10:52 AM)

German 16th Army will protect the southern flank of the attack, while 1st Army to its south and 7th Army near the Swiss border face the Maginot Line.

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 3:17:19 AM)

There are two versions of the scenario, one is for a Human German player vs. the Western Allies PO and the second version is for Human vs. Human and Human Western Allies vs. the German PO. Check the Scenario Briefing to verify which you are playing.

The German player has the option of facing the Historic Allied Plan [French 7th Army into northern Belgium] or an Alternate Plan [French 7th Army in reserve northeast of Paris]. The German player also has the option to relocate the spearhead of the attack [Guderian's XIX Korp] prior to the start of play.

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mussey -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 4:07:23 AM)

sPzAbt653, this looks magnificent. Reminds me of the old Avalon Hill board game in days of yore.

How have the Allies fared in your version? Any surprises for Gerry?




cathar1244 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 6:24:12 AM)

Beautiful map. Could also serve as the map for a 1944-45 campaign.

Cheers




dox44 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 3:34:19 PM)

many thanks!




BigDuke66 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/26/2019 11:28:39 PM)

Nice to see a good & detailed scenario for the Battle of France, I remember back in the CoW times there was none as no designer seemed to succeed in depicting this Blitzkrieg correctly as it was different from the way it went in Poland.


Now as usual I took a look at the equipment, that thankful differs from the standard database, and find the German tanks worth a discussion.
I think there is a misunderstanding or mix up regarding the Panzer III, I looked through other German tanks & tank like equipment and compared values and I can only come to the conclusion that the PzIIIF in the game depicts the version with the new 5cm gun that came in late in the production of the F series. Unfortunately these were first accepted(only accepted and not not delivered to the troops) in July 1940 and all till then build PzIII had a 3,7cm gun.
So the PzIIIE would have to replace the F that are currently in all German units, and the F should at best come in sometimes in July 1940 with a rate of 1 per turn.

Besides this I wonder about the rather high AT values of the PzI & PzII, former only had machine guns while the later had a machine canon but only of 2cm that had about half the penetration capacity of the 3,7cm tank guns. Giving them a value of 3 seems pretty high if you consider that the real tank canons of 3,7cm use 4. I would rather use 2 on the PzII and only 1 on the PzI.




Silvanski -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/27/2019 1:50:08 AM)

It is a fine scneario with only one drawback,the color of the Dutch... It's hard to see which units can move or not...the orange stripe on an orange counter




sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/27/2019 2:50:39 AM)

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Nice to see a good & detailed scenario for the Battle of France

We really did need one, it was aggravating that the best wargame didh't have the best scenario for France 1940, one of the most influential battles of WWII.

We used the Database designed by Derek Weichs (Panzer_War). Any discussion could only be qualified by him. Sadly, he hasn't posted or logged in here since 2015. Hopefully all is well with him and simply has found no reason be here.




sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/27/2019 2:59:32 AM)

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hard to see which units can move or not...the orange stripe on an orange counter

I see what you mean. I will look into tinting that orange strip a little darker so that it is obvious.

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BigDuke66 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/27/2019 3:19:54 AM)

Would like to see the complete database, any chance you upload it?




sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/27/2019 3:44:07 AM)

I think this is it, look for mention of Derek Weichs at the top of the Briefing.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4397002




sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/27/2019 4:26:32 AM)

Here is what I came up with. I think you can definitely see it [:)]

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/27/2019 4:28:32 AM)

Here is the file:




sPzAbt653 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/27/2019 4:29:36 AM)

Stick it in both of the Nach Frankreich files as seen below:

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BigDuke66 -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/28/2019 1:04:53 AM)

The database just reinforces my conclusions about the PzIII.
The PzIIIH uses the same AP & AT values and that one was never produced with something else as the 5cm canon. But the AP & AT values of the PzIII used in the campaign have to match those of the Pz35 & 38 as they used a similar 3,7cm gun as the PzIII at that time.
The only hope against the heavier Allied tanks at that time was artillery, flak or a PzIV with a load of the better HEAT ammunition. In direct comparison most German tanks were outclassed by the Allied tanks when looking at armored and armor penetration. Just look at Arras, the Allies weren't stopped by the German tanks in the area but by artillery(10,5cm) and flak(the famous 8,8cm).

If one is worried about the capabilities of the PzIII, the way TOAW calculates armor penetration is very generous so no need to worry. Even anti-tank values of 3 would still allow to kill tanks with armor ratings of up to 12. 12 is the highest armor rating that the Allies have and its used on the Matilda II tanks.
And because of that it also makes sense to give the PzI & PzII realistic values because a PzII would currently be able to kill a Matilda II, but that is something that surely never happened in real life nor should it be possible. An Anti-tank rating of 2 would only prohibit the PzII of killing Matilda I & II and the famous Char B1 bis, all other Allied tanks could still be killed even with such an rating.

If one wonders, I would like to play the Germans myself but not with a tank forces that is more capable than it was.




Silvanski -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/28/2019 2:15:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653
Here is what I came up with. I think you can definitely see it [:)]
[image]local://upfiles/24850/7D54A8AD07F64F8EA48FF72106F24D94.jpg[/image]

That'll work[:)] [sm=Tank-fahr09.gif]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/28/2019 2:36:54 AM)

Neon Pink? Well......why not? This is the 21st Century after all.




rhinobones -> RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 (3/28/2019 3:03:24 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

Here is what I came up with. I think you can definitely see it [:)]

[image]local://upfiles/24850/7D54A8AD07F64F8EA48FF72106F24D94.jpg[/image]


Some people seem to think this color scheme is serious. Fooled them, didn't you.


Neon pink, really, hell of a good military color.


Regards, RhinoBones




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