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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (8/22/2019 2:06:13 AM)

I forgot what your question was. I own Grigsby's WITE and it's a different treatment of the war but it's basically FITE with different looking units. The air war is it's best feature. It's fun for about the first four games or so and by then you've explored most of the what if's you can do and it becomes rather boring, being the same game again and again. With TOAW you can play just about any conflict that has ever happened and some that haven't yet. And you can build your own situation and save it as a scenario. You can mod scenarios to tweak them. Some people find it more fun building scenarios than playing them. Have you tried the Road to Moscow series of scenarios? Short scenarios from Operation Barbarosa. You may find them fun.


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Hey LarryF, took your advice & am doing Road to Moscow What If scenario. A masterpiece! Having a ton of fun, thanks for the tip!! I might do an AAR later since I have a save of each turn.



larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (8/22/2019 5:26:56 PM)

It's T12 now and I seem to have blasted a hole in the Soviet lines in front of Moscow. There's probably some Soviet units there that I just can't see yet and it's not really a huge gap in the Soviet lines. We'll see. I'll keep you posted.
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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (8/23/2019 3:34:16 AM)

There's an area between Moscow and Bryansk and from Bryansk to Kiev that are both kinda sparse in Soviet units and I've been taking advantage of it and I've spread out and by taking all available avenues I've converted a lot of terrain. I run into the occasional Soviet unit and then deploy the follow on forces to deal with it and drive on with the recon units. I'm starting to run into really low supply areas. The overextended value is 5 so I need to pull up and stop soon. The supply level is in the single digits already at the face of the front lines.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (8/24/2019 10:26:12 PM)

There's a spot near Smolensk where the resistance is particularly stiff and I'm fighting for the good terrain in the area because that's where all the Soviet units are and this time there's a lot more of them. And they are stronger than the units I was fighting in the early turns. The front lines in this area are fluid and dynamic and sometimes I have to fight over the same terrain for a second time before I can hold onto it. My land shock is 115 and the Soviet shock is 95 so we're more evenly matched now and the character of the game has changed. I'm seeing a lot more fruitful Soviet counterattacks. It's T14 now and my boys are tired from the constant fighting and I've moved into low supply areas and the advance has stalled in place. I have to fight over each and every individual hex now. I'm having a blast.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (8/24/2019 11:23:52 PM)

This is what the area around Leningrad looks like right now. There's a huge gap in my lines and I'm really worried about it. I need to rail two or three divisions up here to fill it up. It's things like this that would make a reserve handy. A resource to grab from as needed. I'm going to have to set asside about four or five divisions as a reserve so that I can fight the war better. As it is I have no units to follow up on the gaps in the Soviet lines. Most of the progress I'm making lately has been in the south around the Crimea so I'll see if I can't spare some of those divisions for a reserve.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (8/25/2019 11:54:25 AM)

Here's the face of war north of Leningrad. The Finns are slowly pushing the Soviets south. I don't have a good estimate of how long it will take for them to reach their stop line. The Soviets were sending units north to take part in the battle with the Finns but now that the Axis forces have captured Narva the Soviets have been moving units in that direction instead.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (8/26/2019 2:27:28 AM)

I've finally repaired the rails enough to get the RR arty in range of targets in Odessa and the bombardment has started using them. I've already made some progress on Odessa and there's just a few hexes left to own.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (8/27/2019 4:38:13 AM)

I've finally arrived at T16 and this is what the front lines look like now. The Finns are slowly pushing the Soviet units southward. The Soviet BB group finally sortied and sank my 2 x CA's and 4 x DD's all because my Ju-87's couldn't quite sink it while it was still in Leningrad's harbor.

I'm planning on invading the small islands that the Soviets still hold north or Riga. They could be the stepping off point for Soviet invasions in the later war years so I think maybe I should take possession of them. I don't have any air cap. any longer so I think I'll use the paratroops for the task of clearing off all the smaller islands.

The region just east of Pskov needs more Axis soldiers on the ground. The Soviets could start flooding that area any turn now and I wouldn't be able to hold them back and that could be embarrassing when the entire front has to fall back. I'd best act on that situation post haste.

According to the image I have most of my troops in front of Moscow because that's where most of the Soviet units are. The fighting is tough and not much movement of the front lines is taking place in that area.

I've leaped the river north of Chernigov and I'm heading for Kursk. I recognize he need for a lot more troops near Chernigov and I have about eight divisions headed for there from the Kiev area as we speak. I'm planning on forming a front line from Kursk south to Kharkov and then moving the line to the east. Meanwhile I want about three or four divisions to move south along the east side of the river clearing out the river crossings.

Odessa is falling slowly. I've captured crossings at Kherson and I'm going to steam a lot of units across there and see how close I can get to entering the Crimea. I'm planning on using the 11th Army to take down Sevastopol. I need to own Sevastopol by 4Dec to free the Bulgarians for action.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (8/27/2019 11:07:11 PM)

Here's what it looks like in T17 just northeast of Kiev right now. The game has gotten exciting again. I'm in a race with the Soviets to try to trap as many Soviet units on the east side of the river before they can escape to the south. I've seen several units peel off already and they made their way to the SE. I'm feverishly trying to repair all the broken bridges so that supply will flow better. I've repaired the rails all the way up to Kiev so if I can clear a path for the supply to flow through there I think there MAY be enough supply to keep the advance headed south all the way to D-town.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/3/2019 6:14:02 AM)

It's now T19 and I've gotten through D-town and Z-town and I'm spreading out converting terrain and roads and rails and the supply levels are suprisingly high so I'm going to continue the advance as far as the supply levels will allow. The rails are quite a distance away so I'm wondering why the supply levels are so high. I'm not complaining. There's more Soviet units around this area than I was expecting. I guess they heard I was coming and railed some troops down here. The good news is that I'm across the river and heading east. Kharkov is the next short term goal.

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StuccoFresco -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/3/2019 10:41:05 AM)

Has Odessa fallen?



larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/3/2019 12:16:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: StuccoFresco
Has Odessa fallen?

I have just this turn captured Odessa but there's still enemy units present and I'm in the process of putting together an attack to delete them. Notice all the RR arty pounding away. They have been instrumental in the takedown of Odessa and the capture of the city would have been much harder and would have taken much longer to accomplish. The railhead is the city hex itself.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/7/2019 8:03:49 AM)

It's T20 and this is what Leningrad looks like now. I'm getting closer to the city all the time. I'm losing a lot of Stuka's trying to sink the Soviet BB's. I'm in possession of Odessa now so I'm going to ship all the RR arty up here to help take down the city of Leningrad.

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StuccoFresco -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/9/2019 6:03:35 AM)

Are the BBs that dangerous? Shouldn't you avoid sacrificing precious aircraft for ground support or interdition?



larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/9/2019 6:07:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: StuccoFresco
Are the BBs that dangerous? Shouldn't you avoid sacrificing precious aircraft for ground support or interdition?
After I lost 40 Stuka's to sink one Soviet BB I had that same thought. I'm wondering now just how effective that BB is for the ground war going on at Leningrad. Now that the BB is gone there's only one damaged CA and about 4 DD's left so it's not as critical as it once was.



larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/11/2019 1:27:04 PM)

I'm now on T22 and here's the front lines. I've developed a huge gap in my lines in the north and I need to fill that with something. Almost everybody on the front lines is already employed and there's no reserve yet so I'm going to have a hard task trying to find three or four divisions to fill this gap. It's Sept. 3, 1941 and I'm getting closer and closer to Moscow all the time. It's unknown whether or not I can surround it before Christmas. I'll try. Down closer to Kiev I've surrounded all the Soviet units on the east side of the river and I'm slowly clearing out the small groups of defenders. Meanwhile, I've been pushing east and south and have made some progress. The supply levels are dropping being now in the low teens at the front edge of the advance. I'll have to call a halt and wait for better supply. I've forced the Odessa defenders into a water hex just off the coast and I'm pounding them with arty to whittle down the unit until it disappears. I COULD attack it with an engineer unit but I don't want to lose any more engineers. I've noticed that ordinary LCU's can't attack the enemy water hex, it has to be some engineers or a ponton unit. I've gotten a good start into the Crimea.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/11/2019 4:45:44 PM)

I'm fortunate in that NE of Kiev the Soviet units are coming at me a few at a time and I can usually dispatch them before the next group of Soviet units arrive. So progress of a kind is being made. Supply gets down into the single digits at the leading edge of the advance so I'm going to pull up here and rest the units while the supply level gets more juice.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/11/2019 4:54:22 PM)

Here's what the supply level looks like out near Kharkov, which, as it happens, I'm about to capture. I'm sticking mostly to the roads and rails as that's where the supply tends to be highest, and I'm driving east as long as the supply holds out.

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/11/2019 10:30:08 PM)

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I've forced the Odessa defenders into a water hex just off the coast...

I'm working on removing this fluke for the next version. Also, I have acquired a bad taste for Shallow Water, Flooded Marsh and Rail Lines thru Impassable Terrain.



Hellen_slith -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/12/2019 7:03:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

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I've forced the Odessa defenders into a water hex just off the coast...

I'm working on removing this fluke for the next version. Also, I have acquired a bad taste for Shallow Water, Flooded Marsh and Rail Lines thru Impassable Terrain.


There are also some of those similar type hexes around Pskov I think, and Lake Lagoda.

I can't remember where exactly atm, but I noticed some retreats into shallow waters thereabouts, similar to the Odessa.



sPzAbt653 -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/12/2019 11:07:50 PM)

They are all over, and it's a huge map ... [>:]



Hellen_slith -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/13/2019 12:14:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

They are all over, and it's a huge map ... [>:]


I'm ok w/ some of them, esp. lakeside or in the swamps ... I just chalk it up to Sovs hiding in the swamps until they decide to up there.

But Odessa: yeah, that one is weird.



StuccoFresco -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/13/2019 10:41:37 AM)

Jesus Soviets.



larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/14/2019 5:02:05 PM)

It's T24 and this is what the Leningrad area looks like now. I've pushed the Soviets almost up to the city and the Soviet stacks are getting taller and the progress in this area has almost halted. There's lots of gaps in the lines in this area and I fear the Soviets will take advantage of that. I've run out of available troops to move around to the breakthroughs that the Soviets make. I can usually plug the hole in the lines as they form but it's getting harder all the time. The railhead has progressed to just east of Narva so the supply level is okie dokie.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/15/2019 11:58:13 AM)

It's T24 and this is what the Stalino area looks like now. The Soviets have gotten a lot of reinforcements and they are starting to show up at the front lines with a vengence. The Soviet units are more numerous and they are starting to counterattack all over the map. The character of the game is changing. It's no longer slash and dash, it's now toe-to-toe fighting over single hexes at a time. Yellow units are Italian and the blue ones are Rumanian.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/16/2019 3:32:11 PM)

In the Leningrad area I've gone almost as far north as I can go for now because of the size of the Soviet stacks so I've been driving east trying to get on the east side of the river. The Finns are at the stop line so they are no help at the city itself. I've got to sink the Soviet naval units because of the support they lend to the Soviet defense. I've tried some air attacks on the CD guns there and my losses were too high to continue doing that. I've been repairing the rail lines near Narva so I can use the RR arty units I have. Supply levels in this area are great. It's early September now so there's no real hurry to take down the city.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/17/2019 5:30:55 PM)

Here's the T25 view of the Rostov area right now. I'm making a lot of progress in the south and I'm on the verge of getting into the really low supply areas and will soon have to stop the advance and wait for better supply. The railhead is nowhere near being close enough to supply the troops. It's just past Kiev right now and that's helping nobody. I hate to call a halt when the progress is going so well but it's necessary.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/20/2019 6:30:36 PM)

Here's a T26 view of Leningrad right now. I've gotten up adjacent to the city but Elmer has stacked everything in that hex except the kitchen sink. He's probably got some tactical nukes too. I had planned on using the RR arty on the stack for a couple of turns to whittle down the defenders somewhat. The railhead is almost close enough for that to happen. I don't need fantastic losses taking down the city. I'd like to capture the city so that the Finns can contribute to the fight further south a bit. Right now the Finns and Soviets are having arty duels at the stop line.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/21/2019 4:00:03 AM)

It's T27 and I'm at the beginning of my turn and it appears that the Soviets have blasted a hole in my front lines and I don't have a reserve to fix it. I'm hoping I can scrape up enough units to block any further incursion. The Soviets have been counterattacking more and more lately. And they are so intent on winning these battles that I've seen Soviet units evaporate when attacking. The Axis units are badly outnumbered in terms of numbers of units but the Axis side still has a tiny shock advantage. The character of the game has changed again. We're getting closer to winter all the time. It's already mid-September.


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larryfulkerson -> RE: The D21 Road Not Taken.... (9/21/2019 4:16:26 AM)

comedy relief:

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