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MikeJ19 -> Back to Town - Soviets (2/20/2019 10:22:19 AM)

I'm going to try a battle as the Soviets.

They present some interesting challenges - the biggest being the longer command cycle. At least with them defending, I will have less of an issue, I hope, with this restraint.

Here are my orders


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/20/2019 10:23:18 AM)

I have fought on this terrain before - as the American and with helicopters. Here is a look at it from the Soviets perspective as they defend Westerbruck.


StuccoFresco -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/20/2019 10:44:23 AM)

Tricky map for a defender. The whole eastern side is open and with 5000m visibility NATO will dominate the battlefield unless WP can field strong AA and gun-launched ATGMs. The ridge crossing is placed in the south so it's unlikely WP forces can rush forward and "close" it before NATO forces pass through it.

The real challenge will be defending Boltzer, i fear. A strong push from the south there could be extremely difficoult to stop. Maybe if the artillery has some FASCAM munitions you can mine the bridges and then bomb whatever gets stuck there.

Situation is better in the north: should be easy to set up ambushes on the northern road and on the large road that passes near the lake: there are a couple nice elevations that are covered by higher elevations, so you can fire on the road while having the western side completely covered. A nice place for some tank and infantry company to set up a killzone.

MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/20/2019 11:31:59 PM)


This is going to be an interesting battle. Thanks for your thoughts. I agree that the Eastern approach is wide open and it is unlikely that I can close off the ridge line. At this point, I'm not concerned about losing Boltzer - there are no VP locations there.

I've been mulling things over all day and hope to get back to planning soon...

All the best,

StuccoFresco -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/21/2019 5:51:56 AM)

Looking forward for the rest, then. [;)]

MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/21/2019 10:01:21 AM)

Here is a look at what I may see from the West Germans


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/21/2019 10:01:43 AM)

Attack option 1


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/21/2019 10:02:03 AM)

Attack option 2


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/21/2019 10:02:27 AM)

The most dangerous option - I think


Rincon -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/21/2019 10:18:01 AM)

Good luck Mike! Looking forward the outcomes! Nice to see more AARs from the Soviet side.

StuccoFresco -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/21/2019 10:38:19 AM)

30 to 40 SPA are an enormous artillery force; trying to bunch up in Westerbruck would mean serving them too many juicy targets... And still, given how many enemies are there, and how they favor open terrain, fighting an urban battle still seems to be a good choice.

Maybe using the forests to hide several formations could be the key.

You can set up a couple defense lines 2 hexes into the city, and place further forces in the forests west and north of the city. When your units fighting in the city are too battered up to hold anymore, you can bring in reinforcements from the safe spots in the forests and reform a defense line, hopefully still intact because the enemy didn't detect (and thus bombard) them.

Another option, albeit a risky one, is to put some tank company in the forests south of Westerbruck. The wooded hill slope southwest of Halle could be a good place to hide some tank: if they go undetected, you can wait until NATO main force pass them by, then ride out of the woods and strike them from behind, or go hunting for the SPAs. It's a risky move, because they can be spotted by helos if they pass over them, though. But i'd surely try to have a hard-hitting reserve to strike out unexpected: that much artillery can wreak havoc to any defense, and NATO short command cycle ensures that their artillery strikes a lot of times and accurately.

MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/22/2019 10:01:13 AM)

Rincon and Stucco,

Thanks for the comments and the ideas. I've got a couple of busy weeks ahead, so this is going to take a while. That is fine as I enjoy thinking the game through!

Here is an outline of my forces. As usual, I can not just set up a defence and hold on. My troops arrive over the first 3 hours.


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/22/2019 10:01:48 AM)

Thought I should take a look at what I need to do to win...


StuccoFresco -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/22/2019 10:41:29 AM)

Have a nice weekend! Looking forward for the rest of the battle.

MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/25/2019 8:28:55 PM)

The centre of Westerbruck is the key terrain. It is where the main VPs are and, thus, what I need to hold onto. Being even more focused, it is the two Northern VPs that I really need.

I start with a MRB and my recce elements. This gives me a foot on the ground to try and build around.

As mentioned, one recce element is a BRM-1K with thermal imagery (TI) and a 73mm gun. The other two platoons are in BRDM2s.
The BRDM2s can be used to observe I do not want them shooting.
The BRM-1K can take out some German elements.

My initial MRB will have to be spread out to cover the possible approaches. The reinforcements, as they arrive can then take over either a portion of the defence or add depth.

If I could take out the bridge South of Halle that would be very good.

I would rather have units in positions that can only be seen from about 500m.

Here are some points from this thread and another on the main screen.


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/25/2019 8:30:44 PM)

A look at the recce plan


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/26/2019 9:51:55 AM)

Couple of surprises:

My morale is low across my force - at 65.
My TB arrives to the North of BOFFZEN

Here is a look at my main recce vehicles


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/26/2019 9:52:20 AM)

My first option


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/26/2019 9:53:07 AM)

My second option


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/26/2019 9:53:48 AM)

My final option - now I will think about this while at work...


StuccoFresco -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/26/2019 10:51:03 AM)

My unnecessary advices:

WP units benefits immensely from reverse slope, close range defense, and i see there is precisely this kind of terrain in Westerbruck. I'd try to form two defensive lines there, and keep reserves deeper downtown. This means leaving the outskirts to NATO, but gives you the best shot at destroying a lot of enemy units if they try to take the VPs. You can also hide a strike group in the western forest, ready to flank the enemy.

In the attached drawing, i've divided my forces in Red, Blue and White.

- Red is the strongest one. Let's say 3 BMP Coy and a T-80 Coy. in reverse slope position, and reserves deeper in the city. The reserves could, if needed, contest an eventual enemy push through the eastern bridges.

- White is the flanking force. 2 BMP Coy and a T-80 Coy. They will head for the western hills immediately, and place themselves out of sight. If they manage to not get spotted, and the enemy sends all their troops against Red, they will wait and time their attack to maximize damage. If a BMP coy is able to avoid the enemy altogather and go hunting SPAs and the HQ, even better. Taking out enemy artillery would be awesome.

- Blue is the weakest one. 2 BMP Coy should suffice. Their order is to guard the northern route; if the enemy doesn't show up, they are free to support White or Red.

The armored battalion coming from the east will have it rough: if the enemy occupies the eastern plains, it will be very hard to cross the open ground to help the city defenders... The eastern recon elements must survive until their arrival, because if you lose your "eyes" there you risk sending your tanks straight into the enemy sights.

MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/27/2019 9:40:49 PM)

The Regiment commander has selected the following option for the defence of WESTERBRUCK.


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/27/2019 10:04:23 PM)

A look at the recce Coy deployment


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/27/2019 10:11:18 PM)

Here is the initial deployment of the MRB...


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/28/2019 12:43:24 AM)

That was a quick opening 30 minutes.

Obviously, my AA deployments were not good. The German helicopters have been able to walk right into my deployment with no loss and take out a number of my units.

My AA unit tasked to blow the bridge has successfully completed the task. It will now move to a better firing position.

My two recce Pls SW of WESTERBRUCK did not last long.

Over in the East, two plus companies of Leopard 2A1s pushed towards BOFFZEN and then pulled back towards the river.

My first reinforcements have arrived. A Bty of 2S1s are on call in the West. The Arty Bn HQ will move forward a little.

The first Coy of the 2nd MRB has arrived and will move into the centre of WESTERBRUCK.


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (2/28/2019 12:45:07 AM)

I do not remember seeing the German Attack Helicopters before, so here is a look at some info on them and the Leo 2s.


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (3/1/2019 8:05:55 PM)

Here is the battle a few minutes later


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (3/1/2019 8:06:33 PM)

30 minutes later and where have the Germans gone?


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (3/2/2019 1:42:19 PM)

It remains a beautiful clear day near WESTERBRUCK. The Germans are coming


MikeJ19 -> RE: Back to Town - Soviets (3/2/2019 6:18:55 PM)

A few minutes later, the Germans enter WESTERBRUCK...


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