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mldtchdog -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 5:00:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rkr1958

Optional Rules (2/3).

Manually enforced.

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Isolated Reorganization Limits is working. I have had several isolated units correctly not reorganize at the end of the turn.




rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 1:20:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mldtchdog

Isolated Reorganization Limits is working. I have had several isolated units correctly not reorganize at the end of the turn.
Did you have any units that don't require oil not reorganize?




rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 5:22:47 PM)

Turn 6. May/June 1940. The Western Front. Blitzkrieg.

Axis #7. The weather clears and turns fine on the Western Front, and everywhere else except for rain in the North Monsoon (i.e., Southern China). Stalled by storms last impulse, of which high level OKW staff members have been critical, combat operations against the French and British have resumed. There are three designated combat.

Land Combat #1.
The first of three designated land combats is designed to break into France from the Ardness and the bridgehead established over the Maas. The target hex is hex [55,32] and is southeast of the Maas bridgehead. The combat starts with a ground strike from a Luftwaffe Stuka air flotilla that disorganizes 2 corps of the three defending units, adding +4 to the upcoming Blitz attack. The blitz land combat destroys or shatters an entire French army (2 corps + division) and the Germans push into France proper. Note that the Luftwaffe ground strike was opposed by German fighters were able to run away the intercepting French fighters, which allowed the German Stukas to fly on to their target. Also, a French 105 artillery division in an adjacent hex provided defensive ground support to the defending French units.


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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 5:42:03 PM)

Turn 6. May/June 1940. The Western Front. Blitzkrieg.

Axis #7. Land Combat #2.
The second designated land combat was against the southern French army in Belgium (hex [53,31]), which is 1 of 3, that moved there. A ground strike by a 150-mm artillery division proved ineffective. In direct attack again these 8 defending factors this division would have guaranteed +1, however, the Wehrmacht in using the division to ground strike was betting this guaranteed +1 on the 48% chance of getting +2 (i.e., one disorganized) or the 16% chance of getting a +2 (i.e., both disorganized). The expected modified average of the ground strike was +1.6, although which did have a 36% of providing 0, versus the +1 guaranteed. In this case, the gamble didn't payoff for the Germans, but long term it would have and barring special circumstances is a bet that the Germans will take every time.

During movement the Wehrmacht was unable to get a mot division in place to absorb a blitz loss in the 12 to 13% chance that a loss was required. This meant that the Germans would have to lose a full mot corps in this case. Given that the artillery ground strike failed, OKW was able to convince OKH that a change of land combat hex from [53,31] to [52,31] (center French army in Belgium) was prudent because a mot division could be committed to that blitz. In the end, the Wehrmacht rolls well (enough) to destroy a second French army without taking any losses or having any disorganization of their own.



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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 5:48:37 PM)

Turn 6. May/June 1940. The Western Front. Blitzkrieg.

Axis #7. Land Combat #3.
The third designated land combat was an all out assault to on the Strasbourg Maginot line hex. Even throwing 8 corps and 3 division against the single French IX Garr corps holds the fort, the Wehrmacht could only muster +4 on the assault table. Still, given that only a single corps was holding the hex, this gave the Germans a 64% (almost 2/3) chance of taking Strasbourg. This was not to be. These attackers rolled poorly, the attack fails, and the French IX Garr holds.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 5:54:45 PM)

Turn 6. May/June 1940. The Western Front. Blitzkrieg.

Axis #7. The Western Front.
OKH estimates that there's a 72% chance that the Germans will get another impulse this turn. Furthermore their weather forecasters estimate that if they do get another impulse there's an 80% chance that the fine weather will continue. So, there's a 57.6% chance that the Germans will get another sorely needed fine-weather impulse this turn. Even if it isn't fine, the Germans will push with everything they can in the 72% chance they do get another impulse.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 5:59:15 PM)

Turn 6. May/June 1940. The Western Front.

Allied #8.

The French pull their two surviving armies out of Belgium and back into France. They also rearrange their defense line to give them full, or as full as they can get, defense in depth with armies of 2 corps, or 2 corps and a division, holding front line positions opposite the Germans.

Wouldn't you know it. The Germans didn't get another impulse with the turn ending during the allied impulse on a roll of 1 versus 20% chance of ending. And, to rub salt into their wound, the allies won the initiative for the next turn. Though, the axis could have requested a re-roll, they decided that it was in their best long-term interest not to and take the hit on the initiative bonus track, which they currently have a +1.

Turn 7. July/August 1940. The Western Front. Allied #1.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 6:27:25 PM)

Turn 6. May/June 1940. The Western Med. Southern France. Algeria.

Allied #8.
The French call the Italian's bluff, or threat, of invasion against Algeria in the West Med. Instead of disembarking the French XIII inf corps from Syria into Algiers to guard against a possible Italian surprise invasion, the French instead disembark the corps into Marseilles for deployment to central France and the fight against the Nazi invaders.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 6:28:28 PM)

Turn 6. May/June 1940. End of Turn. Units Destroyed.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 6:31:25 PM)

Turn 6. May/June 1940. End of Turn. Partisans.

There were five places were partisans were possible. Of those, the only place close to getting any was India with a partisan roll of a 7 followed by an 8. But in the end, no additional partisans anywhere were spawned.

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mldtchdog -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 6:33:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rkr1958


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ORIGINAL: mldtchdog

Isolated Reorganization Limits is working. I have had several isolated units correctly not reorganize at the end of the turn.
Did you have any units that don't require oil not reorganize?


your right. I didn't realize it was only units that required oil that didn't reorganize when isolated




rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 6:36:20 PM)

Turn 6. May/June 1940. End of Turn. US Entry.

A 2-value chit was drawn and added to the German/Italy entry pool.

The US choose option 6, which to intern the French CV Bern. They also choose to convert that carrier to a transport. The US had to move a 1-value chit in the Japanese entry pool to their tension pool.

Note. During the turn, the CV Bern was moved to the 0-box of the West Med and their CVP was rebased to Marseilles. Thus, the French didn't lose that CVP when the Bern was interned by the US. And, during the return planes to reserve phase coming up at the beginning of next turn, the French will do exactly that which will give them an extra pilot for the turn after that.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 6:38:58 PM)

Turn 6. May/June 1940. End of Turn. CW & French Production and Convoy.

Humming along nicely ... just don't want to touch anything I don't have to for fear it'll be like a house of cards and come tumbling down.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 6:42:10 PM)

Turn 6. May/June 1940. End of Turn. Western Allies Production.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 6:45:15 PM)

Turn 6. May/June 1940. End of Turn. Chinese Production.

Anemic at best ...

Japanese strategic bombing which hasn't been that effective was able to reduce Chinese production by 1 PP. Lord forbid when their strategic bombing is effective. And given that Japanese strategic bombing of Chinese factories has been given a high priority by their army and navy, it won't let up in the foreseeable future.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 6:45:37 PM)

Turn 6. May/June 1940. End of Turn. Soviet Production.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 6:46:01 PM)

Turn 6. May/June 1940. End of Turn. Axis Production.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 6:46:27 PM)

Turn 6. May/June 1940. End of Turn. Production Summary.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 6:49:26 PM)

Turn 7. July/August 1940. Production.

Note. This summary includes those units deployed this turn (i.e., Jul/Aug section) and those units in the production queue for the next 6 turns (i.e., 1-year).

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 7:00:33 PM)

Turn 7. July/August 1940. Lending Resources.

No changes from last turn.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 7:02:01 PM)

Turn 7. July/August 1940. The Med.


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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 7:02:26 PM)

Turn 7. July/August 1940. CW. Near East.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 7:04:46 PM)

Turn 7. July/August 1940. The Soviet Union.

Stalin's patience has been exhausted both with acquisition of the Baltic States and with "acquisition" of Persia. This turn both will become Soviet.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 7:06:36 PM)

Turn 7. July/August 1940. China.

No land combat last turn, just maneuvering. In addition to not taking losses or using oil (for reorganization), another side effect of IJA using maneuver instead of land combat is that the Chinese production multiplier was 3/4 instead of 1.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 7:07:11 PM)

Turn 7. July/August 1940. The Japanese-Soviet Neutrality Pact.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/13/2019 8:04:20 PM)

Turn 7. July/August 1940. Allied #1.

Operation SPLICE.

Objectives:
(1) Immediately deploy a second BEF army, here-forth known as the 2nd BEF Army, under command of General Wavell to France.
(2) Maintain complete defense of Egypt and the Suez Canal.
(3) Maintain neutrality naval operations in the Med and Atlantic with respect to the non-belligerent, and neutral, Italy.

2nd BEF Army and Deployments.
(1) Forces consist of Wavell HQ-A, 6-5 XI Mot, 5-3 London Mil.
(2) General Wavell HQ-A (Egypt) to Malta (1st combine) and then to southern France (2nd combine). (2 TRS and escorts in Portsmouth assigned)
(3) 6-5 XI Mot (Portsmouth) to Northern France (1st combine, 1 TRS and escorts in Portsmouth assigned).
(4) 5-3 London MIL to Brest, through the Bay of Biscay (2nd combine). (1 NEI TRS in Halifax, originally assigned to transport 5-2 CAN MIL there, but (re)assigned to this mission).

British 8th Army, Egypt.
(1) LTG Quinan upon departure of General Wavell will (temporarily) assume command of all Commonwealth forces in Egypt, which are to be designated as the British 8th Army.
(2) Forces consist of 2 Egyptian territorials, CW 2rd Inf div (Malta), 2-4 6 pd A/T gun div (Portsmouth), 5-4 V Inf (Kuala Lumpur, Malaya).
(3) 2-4 6 pd A/T div (Portsmouth) & 3rd Inf Div (Malta) will load onto a TRS in Portsmouth (1st combine) and disembark to Egypt as soon as practical or required.
(4) 5-4 V Inf and Queens will move into East Med (2nd combine) and will disembark to Egypt as soon as practical or required.

Rome. Though Great Britain and, PM Churchill, expect and hope that Italy remains neutral, the reality is that Operation SPLICE, which will be spread at best over two combine impulses, and will initially strip British defenses in Egypt will be just be too much for Mussolini to ignore and not attempt to exploit. However, Operation Splice will be undertaken by the British under the assumption that Italy will remain neutral. Bad assumption ... yes but their assumption never the less.

Below. General Wavell on the right confers with LTG Quianan about upcoming operations and change of commands.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/14/2019 12:29:35 AM)

Turn 7. July/August 1940. Allied #1.

Naval Air.

(1) RN NAV2 (Belfast) to 0-box Bay of Biscay directly joining RN BB and 2 CA in the 0-box left over on patrol from last turn.
(2) RN NAV2 (Belfast) to 0-box Faeores Gap indirectly joining the RN CA in 2-box left over on patrol from last turn.
(3) RAF Blenheim (Malta) to 0-box of East Med to provide air support to RN forces of Operation SPLICE.

Operation SPLICE. Phase I.

The actual execution of phase I of SPLICE had to deviate slightly from the plan as outline above due to the very simple but very important reason of needing to keep a transport (1 of 3) in Plymouth in port for Phase II. This transport will be needed to move Wavell and his HQ-A from Malta to Southern France next allied impulse. This deviation also meant that the 6 pd A/T gun division also had to be held in Plymouth and won't be available this turn to LTG Quinan and his 8th army building in Egypt.

This impulse combine gave Great Britain two naval moves. The first was used to put the 5-3 London MIL on transport, out to sea in the 3-box of the North Sea and escorted by the RN BB Royal Sovereign, CA Kent (already on patrol from last turn), CVL Eagle and 5 destroyers (i.e., total ASW of RN force there).

The second naval move was used to move the BB's Malya, Warspite, CA Cornall and (empty) transport to the 0-box of the West Med. The transport then loaded Wavell HQ-A from Alexandra and the CA Cornwall loaded the 3rd inf div from Malta. In addition to being deployed to Egypt, the 2rd inf div had to be loaded in order to make way for Wavell's HQ-A at Malta (i.e., three div there before the 2rd was loaded).

Great Britain also had three land moves, two of which were used to disembark Wavell's HQ-A to Malta and 3rd inf div to Alexandria.

Air Rebase.

(1) RAF Harrow ATR wing from Ajaccio, Corsica to Malta
(2) RAF Beau fighter (FTR3) wing from Great Britain to Ajaccio, Corsica.

Phase II (next impulse) will require the NEI TRS in Halifax, Nova Scotia to load the XI Mot in Plymouth (Bay of Biscay) and deploy them to Brest. The remaining transport in Plymouth, with escorts, will be moved from Plymouth to the East Med to load and then disembark Wavell and his HQ-A into Southern France.

The only sticking point is if Mussolini decides to get in the war and deploy subs to attempt to intercept the transport force from Plymouth heading to the East Med. But, PM Churchill has been assured that Italian ambassador to Great Britain that Italy has no desire for war with Great Britain. Of course the Italian ambassador is unaware of the on-going operation to get a the 2nd BEF army into France and also unaware of a secret meeting taking place right now in Rome.

Rome, Italy. Adolf Hitler has just finished a very secret and high level meeting with Mussolini. Except for a select few of his inner circle and a select few of Mussolini's inner circle, as far as the world knows, Hitler is at his mobile headquarters somewhere on the German-Belgian border. The result of this secret meeting is that Italy will declare war on Great Britain, but not France. In return, Hitler has promised Italy aid in resources, oil and whatever tribute he can grab from a weakening Great Britain in the Med, Egypt and elsewhere.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/14/2019 12:55:07 AM)

Turn 7. July/August 1940. Allied #1. USSR. Persia.

The Soviet Union declares war on Persia. This results in the loss of a 2-value chit from the US Germany/Italy entry pool.

The Soviet mountain division in Baku was put to sea in the 4-box of the Caspian Sea. It will then invade, unopposed (due to the surprise impulse) into the mountain hex 2-hexes directly west of the Persian cavalry corps guarding the eastern mountain passes into Teheran. If the Persian cavalry corps can be disorganized then the mountain division will be able to march into Teheran next allied impulse and complete a "bloodless" conquest of Persia by the Soviets.

Three Soviet air armies (tactical factors 3, 3 and 2) are use for the ground strike against the Persian cavalry corps. Owing to the surprise impulse this gives 6 opportunities (i.e., rolls) for disorganizing the cavalry corps. The overall chance of success is 84.63%. The first air army to attack, Pe-8 TB-7, succeeds on their second roll.

The three air armies re-base from their strike as far west and back towards the German-Soviet pact border as possible. The fourth Soviet air army which didn't take part in the ground strike moves during air re-base as far back to the German-Soviet pact border as possible.

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brian brian -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/14/2019 4:31:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rkr1958

Turn 6. May/June 1940. The Western Front.

Allied #8.

The French pull their two surviving armies out of Belgium and back into France. They also rearrange their defense line to give them full, or as full as they can get, defense in depth with armies of 2 corps, or 2 corps and a division, holding front line positions opposite the Germans.

Wouldn't you know it. The Germans didn't get another impulse with the turn ending during the allied impulse on a roll of 1 versus 20% chance of ending. And, to rub salt into their wound, the allies won the initiative for the next turn. Though, the axis could have requested a re-roll, they decided that it was in their best long-term interest not to and take the hit on the initiative bonus track, which they currently have a +1.

Turn 7. July/August 1940. The Western Front. Allied #1.

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my question would be - what is in the hex with the French 6-4 INF?

I would rather comment after an impulse, for your future use, than before an impulse, for your immediate use. It's your game to play. I just wish I had the time to play as well. My "World in Flames" season of being indoors is here, but nothing much is working on that front, this year.




Zorch -> RE: Witness to World War 2. (1/14/2019 2:04:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

I think it's difficult to replicate the muddled thinking by the cabinet in the early part of the war. I favour putting in a second BEF as this mirrors Churchill's thinking - i.e. do just about anything to keep the French in the fight.

I would use them to guard the Spanish border area and so free up French troops to take losses and not expose the CW to too much risk - at least initially.

There is probably less concern for the CW in MWIF than in real life about the threat of invasion - but that depends to an extent on German builds - and you don't want to be using the CW as cannon-fodder.

As for Egypt, I think the British did think it would be relatively easy to defeat the Italians and this was their goal - and is also where they squandered their biggest opportunity. Having crushed the Italians during Compass, they then switched focus to Greece (with consequences that we know) before trying to finish the job.

Of course it is not guaranteed that they would have taken Tripoli before German help arrived - but I think it likely. The knock-on effects of that decision for the army - and in particular the navy - would be long lasting and painful.

Regardless of what the British thought of Italian capability, the enemy still had a very large army in North Africa and Wavell was responsible for a huge area. No I don't think there would have been any weakening of the forces in Egypt (to aid France) as there really wasn't that much there to begin with.

There was also the CW offensive against Italian Africa, Ethiopia/Somalia. Is this in MWIF?

Churchill, ever the optimist, was very late in realizing that France was a lost cause.




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