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gwgardner -> John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/19/2018 2:57:50 PM)

John Lee's 'great war' (named as found) was created in the early 2000s. It's 1 week turns, 15 or 20 km per hex (I've seen both mentioned), division level, 1914-18.

It's strictly a land war. The naval aspect is solely with transports. No air units. The OOBs seem to be historical. I haven't found anything obviously off with it, from the divisional standpoint.



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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/19/2018 3:00:32 PM)

The map:



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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/19/2018 3:06:17 PM)

Aug 1 1914

Austria's determination to crush Serbia is the immediate cause for the war, so here's the situation on that front. It looks hopeless for Serbia. About the only thing positive is the terrain.

If the Serbs can survive the loss of their capitol, Belgrade, it could be a struggle for the Austrians to destroy the Serbian army. The Danube and Sava Rivers are strong barriers, and elsewhere rugged terrain could be an advantage for Serbia's mountain-trained troops.

For now, the Serbian army is going to dig in deep and try to hold Belgrade.

I should have said that there are 2, possibly 3 Austro-Hungarian armies facing Serbia. It is unknown whether the Austrian 2nd Army is moving north. Those armies have 1 or 2 corps.

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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/19/2018 3:38:03 PM)

Against the Austrians in Galicia, the Russians have four armies situated to strike south and southwest, towards the important Lemberg and Przemsyl rail and road junctions. There are probably three Austrian armies mustering along that border, with rumors that the 2nd Army is headed to the region.



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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/19/2018 3:52:42 PM)

Versus the Germans, the Russians have two armies mobilizing. With most of the German army in the west, it should be an opportunity to move against Prussia.



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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/19/2018 4:03:26 PM)

In the West, the Germans have moved fast into Belgium, taking the fortresses of Liege and Namur. The BEF is still mobilizing, and will not land in France for another two weeks at the earliest. The French are poised for a major offensive along the borders of Alsace and Lorraine, with the hope of forcing the German army to weaken any move through Belgium.

Four French armies ranging in order from the Swiss border to the north are committed to the offensive. The 5th Army is still being held pending the initial results of that offensive, and with an eye on the German push in Belgium.

The Belgians face a critical decision: attempt to hold in Brussels and Antwerp, or make a fighting withdrawal to the southwest and west, to join up with hoped for British and French help.

[note: MP9090 is already way ahead of the historical advance in Belgium. The historical first meeting of the BEF with the Germans at Mons looks to be seriously in doubt.

I'm going to do a stab at the Plan 17 offensive along the French-German border, just for the sake of seeing how the scenario stacks up with history in that regard.]



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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/20/2018 9:36:29 AM)

August 9

On the Serbian Front the AH forces are definitely not pressing forward.

Does this mean they're simply repositioning? Drawing down their presence, to send reinforcements to the Galician Front?

Lacking cavalry forces as yet, it's going to be risky to probe across the border. The Serbs are reluctant to move out of their entrenched positions. A recently mobilized division in Belgrade will be broken down into regiments and pushed forward cautiously.



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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/20/2018 9:46:58 AM)

15 rifle squad casualties making the probe and then withdrawing back to the entrenchments.

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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/20/2018 10:02:28 AM)

In Galicia, the Russians have moved forward to Lemberg with 8th and 3rd Armies. 4th and 5th Armies have probed forward.

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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/20/2018 10:10:49 AM)

Farther north a brief cavalry incursion into Thorn was quickly repulsed by the Germans.



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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/20/2018 10:16:39 AM)

A cautious advance in Prussia has not revealed the German dispositions.



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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/20/2018 10:36:43 AM)

The Germans continue to advance into Belgium. GHQ is beginning to take notice but can't react until mobilization continues to bring up forces. The BEF is still embarking in the UK.

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Cfant -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/20/2018 1:35:38 PM)

May I ask for the shock-values of the first turns? and how many units you have in your OOB? Good luck!




gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/20/2018 2:43:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cfant

May I ask for the shock-values of the first turns? and how many units you have in your OOB? Good luck!


I'm not sure how to check either of those. Please advise. (I haven't had my coffee yet, if it's something obvious I'm missing.)




Cfant -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/21/2018 5:45:17 AM)

Well, screen 1: shock-values

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screen 2: button (right arrow) shows your OOB and counts your units (left arrow)

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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/21/2018 10:22:01 AM)

There's a utility to examine scenarios - I was thinking you wanted that info. I'll have to look for that utility.

No reference to shock level in the briefing.

[later]

Here's a dump of the scenario, which can be viewed in notepad. It has the complete OOB.





gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/21/2018 11:07:33 AM)

August 16, turn 3

The UK declared war to defend Belgium. It's already lost.

[funny: hurry's]


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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/21/2018 11:15:23 AM)

Plan 17 has resulted in advances measured in the 10s of kilometers. The enemy has carried out bombardments all along the line but otherwise has held steady.

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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/21/2018 11:22:24 AM)

The Russian advance through Prussia has been too easy. Is Koenigsburg a trap? Should it be simply bypassed, in favor of a stronger combined front against any German counter-attack?

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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/21/2018 11:30:51 AM)

Success in Galicia would go a long way towards securing Poland and Serbia. The feeling persists however that the early advances of the Russian army are ephemeral. It's been too easy.

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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/21/2018 11:40:41 AM)

If Austria is remaining quiescent on the Serbian front, it must be for a reason. Moving troops to Galicia?

While the Serbs refuse to abandon their defensive entrenchments, they are considering a probe in force either to the northeast or northwest of Belgrade.

Northwest makes more sense if the intent is to disrupt AH dispositions, but either might be effective to hold Austrian forces away from Galicia?

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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/22/2018 2:38:41 PM)

August 23, turn 4

The Russian 1st Army successfully invested Koenigsburg, and will now be transported to the south of 2nd Army, in preparation for

1) meeting the possible German 8th Army action east of Thorn;
2) possible offensive towards Thorn;
3) readiness for any enemy move towards central Poland.

[note: it's apparent from the first four turns that in the scale of this scenario, historical WW1 German triumphs in Prussia, August 1914, are unlikely.]

Little has changed in Galicia, where the Russian army is continuing its opportunistic offensive, ie attacking only weak points in the AH lines, rather than pursuing a broader offensive.

In Serbia, the AH has tightened its lines, closer to the Serbian entranchments, but otherwise it is still unclear whether one or more of the AH armies there has been shifted north.

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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/22/2018 2:57:06 PM)

in the West



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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/22/2018 3:04:40 PM)

As Cfant indirectly hinted in his question about shock settings, above, the scenario would be more exciting in the first month at least if the power of the defense didn't kick in so quickly. There's little evidence here of the early superior organization, doctrine, and planning of the German forces, in carrying out the attempted flanking of the entire French army. An early shock advantage is needed.




gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/24/2018 11:16:19 AM)

Sept 6, turn 6



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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/24/2018 11:25:01 AM)

On the Galician Front, the Battle of Przemsyl continues on the Galician front, but the north wing of the offensive has stalled with the reorganization of the 3rd Army directy investing the city.

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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/25/2018 11:38:10 PM)

Sept 20, turn 8

The Battle of Przemsyl in Galicia is won, at least in its drive on that rail and road hub. Both 3rd and 8th Armies are in need of reorganization, but are ordered to continue the drive to destroy the Austrian forces.

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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/26/2018 3:28:04 AM)

Ominously, intelligence has discovered that the Austrians did indeed weaken their Serbian Front, to move at least their 6th Army north to Galicia. And also at least one division of German troops has been discovered.

This is certainly a threat to the Russian 3rd and 8th Armies, posing the possibility of an enemy offensive against the weak south-eastern flank of the Galician Front.

The Russian 9th Army is nearing completion of its mobilization, and it maybe necessary to position it athwart the lines of any Austrian 6th Army push.

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gwgardner -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/26/2018 3:43:14 AM)

Just when GHQ thought the front had stabilized, the German Army has successfully driven a wedge between the left flank of the French 5th Army and Territorial forces south and southeast of St. Quentien.



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Cfant -> RE: John Lee's 'great war' Entente vs MP9090 as Central Powers (12/27/2018 8:53:08 AM)

Interesting game. In RL the Central Powers would crumble, the loss of Königsburg would have been a major blow to Germany. Well done! Any idea why he gave up Eastern Prussia? Press on on Galicia, Austria seems to be in trouble :)




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