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wodin -> @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/23/2016 10:39:07 PM)

A new Gary Grigsby tactical wargame was mentioned awhile ago by Slitherine.

I was wondering if there was any news?

Has work started?

If not is there a rough idea on when it will begin?

It's the one PC game that is rumoured to be in the pipeline I have any real interest in.





Riitaoja2 -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/24/2016 1:10:55 PM)

Do you mean "Steel Tigers" the suggested spiritual successor to Steel Panthers?

This if from Febuary 2015:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3799918
This is from June 2015:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3885806
And the latest news was this post (#13) from January 2016:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4002987

quote:

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

I'm planning to give the members of the SPWAW community the first chance to be part of Steel Tigers early in the process, we're just still working on enough architectural stuff now that we're not quite at that point yet. I would very much like to have strong SPWAW community involvement, input, feedback, advice, etc. and make sure we bring the best parts of SPWAW and all the great work the community has added forward with the new engine to secure the future of SP-style gaming.

Regards,

- Erik






PipFromSlitherine -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/24/2016 3:54:08 PM)

Work is ongoing and has been for some time. We don't have any specific details to share at this point, sorry!

Cheers

Pip




wodin -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/24/2016 6:02:28 PM)

OK sounds good!




milkweg -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/25/2016 9:24:27 AM)

Can't share even one pic of the artwork?




Freyr Oakenshield -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/25/2016 12:25:43 PM)

Actually, I thought "Tigers on the Hunt" was supposed to be that tactical wargame from Gary Grigsby. Now, I'm a little bit surprised. With GG's title being yet another tactical game, and TotH already in place, it's getting a bit crowded in the niche...




Riitaoja2 -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/25/2016 2:02:44 PM)

I really can not see any competition between TotH and the Steel Tigers project.

Sorry if I offend anyone but in my opinion Tigers on the Hunt is your standard old school ugly looking and dry/slow cardboard counters on a simple hex grid type war game of the ancient past. I'm sure there is a niche market for that type of game but Steel Panthers successor it is not.




Freyr Oakenshield -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/25/2016 2:11:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Riitaoja2

I really can not see any competition between TotH and the Steel Tigers project.

Sorry if I offend anyone but in my opinion Tigers on the Hunt is your standard old school ugly looking and dry/slow cardboard counters on a simple hex grid type war game of the ancient past. I'm sure there is a niche market for that type of game but Steel Panthers successor it is not.



Do you know anything about ST? Any screens? I wonder how it will differ from SP or TotH...




Riitaoja2 -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/25/2016 2:21:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: milkweg

Can't share even one pic of the artwork?

I think that they are not in that point in the development yet. Though if I understand correctly they are going to use a new game engine that is based on the Battle Academy games. So probably squares instead of hexes and 3D graphics.

I hope that they will change the scale of the game to be more realistic than the old 50m per hex that was in the old Steel Panthers games. Back then computers were limited by lower resolutions and slow cpu's.

Ofcourse with an option to zoom out to see the bigger picture.

Coincidentally I made this simulated screenshot of how I would like the scale to be in SPWAW. With 10m hex size. [:'(]
[image]http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/upfiles/53585/8D0C6B58859C47D4B6DC1C1031AFD46B.gif[/image]




MrsWargamer -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/25/2016 4:24:15 PM)

Squares?

Hmm well I love Battle Academy so I should avoid complaining I suppose.

I wonder though, if they are using squares, won't it just be Battle Academy again?




Freyr Oakenshield -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/25/2016 4:53:45 PM)

Squares? C'mon... [X(]


edit:

I mean not that I completely dislike squares..., but in a successor to Steel Panthers...? Really? [:D]




wodin -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/25/2016 5:10:21 PM)

Never to crowded..I personally haven't come across one that does what I want yet.

You'll probably find far more Operational and Grand strat wargames here than tactical.

No one has made a "monster" tactical wargame since Steel Panthers. So I can't wait.

I'm hoping for multi level buildings, tracking individual soldiers within a squad..so no squad, half squad etc. Good engineering features including variety of mines, fortified buildings etc.Do urban fighting well. Indepth command and control\comms. A good Tac Ai. Pref WEGO. Campaigns.

Do the things that people alwasy ask for but are never done.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Freyr Oakenshield

Actually, I thought "Tigers on the Hunt" was supposed to be that tactical wargame from Gary Grigsby. Now, I'm a little bit surprised. With GG's title being yet another tactical game, and TotH already in place, it's getting a bit crowded in the niche...





wodin -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/25/2016 5:12:01 PM)

If they use the BA engine..Then I've lost interest already.




Riitaoja2 -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/25/2016 6:32:10 PM)

I have no inside knowledge of anything just piecing together what I have read before on the forums.

Regarding the hex vs. squares thing I am not sure about it. I said "probably" just based on the game engine they intend to use.

Also the discussion about the game engine was here:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3889165


quote:

ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine


quote:

ORIGINAL: wodin

OK just read that the SUB engine i.e Battle Academy is the basis of the new Archon engine that will be used for Steel Tigers....make your own conclusions.

From Pip over at Slitherine

"We are continuing to support the STUB engine going forward, and it is the basis for the new Archon engine too.

Cheers

Pip"

So is ST going to be a watered down Steel Panthers that will sell on mobiles etc, like a gritty Battle Academy? I know there is Tigers on the Hunt in development which you'll say is for the hardcore however in my opinion it has a long way to go and isn't what a new SP would be like. I really hope this isn't the case and ST is a true successor to SP doing what SP did well even better and adding to it. Combat Leader was looking like it could have been the new SP but you dropped it!!

You are confusing engines with games. Even with BA the only thing stopping a game from being as hardcore as SP++++ is the designer. STUB and Archon are designed to put all the power in the hands of the designer. ST is going to lead on PC, no compromises.

Cheers

Pip






Zorch -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/25/2016 6:47:01 PM)

Tactical Wargame???
Please tell Gary to get back to work on War in the East 2 and War in Europe. They are much more important. [;)][;)][;)]




Freyr Oakenshield -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/25/2016 6:51:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch

Tactical Wargame???
Please tell Gary to get back to work on War in the East 2 and War in Europe. They are much more important. [;)][;)][;)]


No, no, no, tactical wargames are fun. [:'(]




76mm -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/26/2016 5:17:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: wodin
Never to crowded..I personally haven't come across one that does what I want yet.
***
No one has made a "monster" tactical wargame since Steel Panthers. So I can't wait.

I'm hoping for multi level buildings, tracking individual soldiers within a squad..so no squad, half squad etc. Good engineering features including variety of mines, fortified buildings etc.Do urban fighting well. Indepth command and control\comms. A good Tac Ai. Pref WEGO. Campaigns.

Do the things that people alwasy ask for but are never done.

yup, agree with Wodin here. I had hoped that Tigers on the Hunt would be at least close, but it turned out to be something other than what I was looking for.




Richie61 -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/26/2016 5:40:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: wodin

If they use the BA engine..Then I've lost interest already.


Using the BA2 game engine was know about since the idea/ game became public. If you looked at some of the mods
in BA2 of converted ASL scenario, you would be shocked at what this engine can do [;)]




rocketman71 -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/26/2016 12:55:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Richie61


quote:

ORIGINAL: wodin

If they use the BA engine..Then I've lost interest already.


Using the BA2 game engine was know about since the idea/ game became public. If you looked at some of the mods
in BA2 of converted ASL scenario, you would be shocked at what this engine can do [;)]

I'd like to try one of the converted scenarios as I have been pleasantly surprised by the BA AI at times. Any suggestions on what to try? I have all the modules.




Riitaoja2 -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/26/2016 3:34:56 PM)

I wouldn't be too quick in passing judgement on Steel Tigers. The game is still in early in development and there has simply not been enough information given to jump into any conclusions.

We do know that Gary Grigsby (2by3 games) is involved in it. The same guys who made the original Steel Panthers games so I have confidence that they know what they are doing.

Sure if the game turns out to be nothing like the old games then thats that. But really there is nothing to lose here. It's not like anybody else is even going to try to make a successor to the Steel Panthers series. After all it's already been 21 years since the original Steel Panthers was released.




MrsWargamer -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/26/2016 4:15:49 PM)

I don't understand the dislike for Battle Academy. I think it's one of the best war games made since 2000.

But then I don't understand some of the love for some war games that have failed to get even the fans talking about them past the year they were released in most cases.




wodin -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/26/2016 6:25:55 PM)

I like BA. However it doesn't have the detail and depth and realism I'm after in a Steel Panthers remake.




MrsWargamer -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/26/2016 6:35:51 PM)

Depth, detail and realism. The rallying cry normally for bloated unwieldy and excessive :)

ASL would never have made it on opening day as it exists today. The fame came from Squad Leader a game you could play after reading 7 pages of rules where the pages were mainly images and examples and not 3 column rules text :)

But we war gamers have a disease I think, something about always wanting more until we ruin a good game with "detail and realism" :)

Not that I should talk. You should see the cake I just baked. I think if I was to sell it, I'd need to warn of the overload level of calories and the excessive level if richness. I'd hesitate to serve it to a senior, and would fear just walking past a diabetic person.




Chicharito19 -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/26/2016 6:54:11 PM)

Mrs. Wargamer,

I struggle with that very thing. By that I mean dreaming of a very complex grognard type game. But then time and family and life of course don't make that a reality. Soon I can't cope with the complexity, but yet still crave the historical realism. Oh well....

Michael




MrsWargamer -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/26/2016 8:47:24 PM)

There is an old song that had very wise words.

"Sometimes we don't get what we want, but, we get what we need" (or words to that effect :) ).




E -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/26/2016 9:31:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

There is an old song that had very wise words.

"Sometimes we don't get what we want, but, we get what we need" (or words to that effect :) ).

The gist is correct, but the lyrics are off kilter enough to grate on even a non-Rolling Stones fan (*grin*). Try...

"You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometimes well you just might find You get what you need."




wings7 -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/26/2016 9:34:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Depth, detail and realism. The rallying cry normally for bloated unwieldy and excessive :)

ASL would never have made it on opening day as it exists today. The fame came from Squad Leader a game you could play after reading 7 pages of rules where the pages were mainly images and examples and not 3 column rules text :)

But we war gamers have a disease I think, something about always wanting more until we ruin a good game with "detail and realism" :)

Not that I should talk. You should see the cake I just baked. I think if I was to sell it, I'd need to warn of the overload level of calories and the excessive level if richness. I'd hesitate to serve it to a senior, and would fear just walking past a diabetic person.


This is all with due respect to you, however after reading alot of your posts, I feel we are doing things all wrong...




Zorch -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/26/2016 11:14:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: E


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

There is an old song that had very wise words.

"Sometimes we don't get what we want, but, we get what we need" (or words to that effect :) ).

The gist is correct, but the lyrics are off kilter enough to grate on even a non-Rolling Stones fan (*grin*). Try...

"You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometimes well you just might find You get what you need."

They just gave a free concert in Cuba, in their never ending quest to be relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqMl5CRoFdk




Zap -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/27/2016 12:18:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch


quote:

ORIGINAL: E


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

There is an old song that had very wise words.

"Sometimes we don't get what we want, but, we get what we need" (or words to that effect :) ).

The gist is correct, but the lyrics are off kilter enough to grate on even a non-Rolling Stones fan (*grin*). Try...

"You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometimes well you just might find You get what you need."

They just gave a free concert in Cuba, in their never ending quest to be relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqMl5CRoFdk



Craving that love of fans, they beat all the other Artist who had hoped to be the first to make history.




vonRocko -> RE: @ Matrix: Gary Grigsby's Tactical Wargame...any news? (3/27/2016 1:33:24 AM)

The Stones really should give it up already. They looked and sounded pitiful.




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