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Jagdtiger14 -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/24/2015 6:18:10 PM)

Turkey was in their rights IF this is a true representation of what happened.

However, Turkey should think twice before taking that kind of drastic action. Instead they could have locked AA missile battery radar on the Russian jet, and even scrambled fighters to escort the Russian out of its airspace. Turkey is too uncooperative, and its leaders too dumb...Turkey and its leadership is not worth WWIII.

Russia will punish Turkey militarily for this, Turkey will invoke article 5, no one will respond, NATO will be in danger of collapse. All this because of no western leadership.




Tazak -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/24/2015 6:59:58 PM)

That is a serious over reaction for Turkey, that strip of turkey is a mere 2-3km wide, the Russian aircraft would of flown over it in seconds, the fact they were warned 10 times suggests they were hitting targets very near the border, is turkey allowing a Syria civil war faction to operate from within its borders??

I wouldn't be surprised if Russian CAP started happening near the border region they already mentioned increased air defence or maybe divert some S300 deliveries from Iran to Syria. we might see a wider array of Russian equipment being deployed to the region.

NATO has to defend Turkey, it cant afford to become something akin to the league of nations, although I think the Turkish airforce is going to come under pressure to fly very carefully in the coming weeks else a mistake could cost Turkey/NATO.





ivanov -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/24/2015 7:06:17 PM)

According to NATO, Russian plane was flying during 17 seconds over the Turkish territory. Russians already stated that they are going to deploy to Syria a cruiser with naval version of S-300. Also, all their attack planes will fly now with the fighter escort.




Tazak -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/24/2015 7:40:34 PM)

Gotta love the internet at times

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Jagdtiger14 -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/24/2015 10:39:42 PM)

Ha, ha! That was a good one Tazak!

Turkey admitted the Russians were two seconds over Turkish airspace...but warned them prior. Obviously they were shot down in Syrian space.

That area where this is happening Turkey grabbed in 1939 and was never recognized by Syria or France.

Of course Turkey is taking advantage of the civil war (including helping ISIS...where do you think their oil goes to be sold?...and the transit point for ISIS fighters)...the only ones they do not help are the Kurds.

In my opinion Turkey is part of the problem today...and has been for 15 years.




Stimpak -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/24/2015 10:53:29 PM)

I think we should see increased arms supply to kurdish fighters on either side of the border...




mikeCK -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/25/2015 1:38:03 AM)

Look, this was not the first time the Russians have violated Turkish Airspace. They have done this repeatedly and have been repeatedly warned not to. They continued to do it and this particular plane was warned 10 times. The U.S. Stationed addition F-15s there because if these incessant violations of airspace Russia wants to Bully its neighbors and got punched. Turkey was tired of the lack of respect for its sovereignty and airspace. Drastic? Maybe...but how many times is it supposed to allow Russian military aircraft to overfly its territory.

This is from October. They told the Russians they were risking a conflict back then

http://m.sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151006/1028085238/russia-turkey-airspace-violation.html




Jagdtiger14 -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/25/2015 2:34:19 AM)

I agree Stimpak, the Kurds deserve our support!

As for the Turks, they should know shooting down a plane could start something much bigger. Other NATO members have escorted Russian aircraft away.

Taking Putin's psychology, face saving, and political issues into account, you know there will be retaliation. The question is what? In a way, I think this is exactly what Putin has wanted. This gives him the chance to unravel NATO. He has 14 months to do what he wants since there is no western leadership with the stomach to stand up to him (or the Chinese)...or even ISIS.

Jordan was angry about their executed pilot and swore they would bring hell to ISIS, what did they do?...a few bombing runs. UAE quit the "coalition" because the coalition was not serious about the fight. France attacks ISIS with a few bombing runs, brings a carrier into theater, and does not have the guts to invoke NATO article 5. The US gives 45 min warning to any attacks. Weak, very weak. Only the Kurds are doing anything.




Stimpak -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/25/2015 4:06:59 AM)

Turkey is hypocritical to complain of other's violations, let alone shoot down a plane for it, given that they regularly violate Greek airspace.




batteran -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/25/2015 5:02:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stimpak
Turkey is hypocritical to complain of other's violations, let alone shoot down a plane for it, given that they regularly violate Greek airspace.


Turkey have lost a plane in Syria in 2012, from a border violation too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2012_interception_of_Turkish_aircraft

Their response at that time:

quote:

Gül said that "it is routine for jet fighters to sometimes fly in and out over [national] borders





ivanov -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/25/2015 11:03:01 AM)

Russia to deploy S-400 to Syria

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ivanov -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/25/2015 1:03:37 PM)

Meanwhile on CNN...

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Pro so much, trying so hard. Wow!




Stimpak -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/25/2015 4:43:35 PM)

My contemporaries and I have made somewhat of an inside joke in which we never refer to Russian equipment without first mis-identifying it.
One of our favorites is routinely swapping the names of the T-62 and T-64 [:D]




Jagdtiger14 -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/25/2015 5:32:07 PM)

Stimpak, you are a funny guy! Maybe its one of your buds working over at CNN?

CNN sucks! Nothing funnier though than when MSNBC was pranked on TV when that Malaysian airliner was shot down in Ukraine.




comte -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/28/2015 6:43:57 PM)

The Tsar and the Sultan

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Jagdtiger14 -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/29/2015 3:31:24 PM)

Now this is how professionals (adults) do it:

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-plane-entered-israel-control-zone-syria-minister-101841440.html

Turkey is up to some BS...is it the ISIS oil they are profiting from?...or trying to support the Turkmen in Syria?...or something else?...and would they be willing to drag NATO into it? Either drop Turkey from NATO (do we really need them?), or they should have been rebuked for their actions...unfortunately we do not have the leadership anywhere in the west for this.




Jagdtiger14 -> RE: Russians in Syria (12/1/2015 8:50:50 AM)

And now this:

http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/11/russia-sends-nuclear-war-signals-turkey/

Check out what one Russian MP says what could happen...to wipe out Istanbul...




Stimpak -> RE: Russians in Syria (3/1/2016 6:57:10 PM)

Well, T-90s are officially in action now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Zp37Kdr5Y

Infact, they're already getting shot up by TOWs. Looks like the Shtora-1 either failed or simply wasn't active. A crewman also successfully bailed, and judging from that (And the turret still being firmly attached to the tank) it seems like it survived the hit.

What do you guys think? "Fallen out"? [:D]




Mad Russian -> RE: Russians in Syria (3/5/2016 3:09:38 AM)

I would classify anything that doesn't burn as "Fallen Out".

Good Hunting.

MR




Jagdtiger14 -> RE: Russians in Syria (3/5/2016 5:19:10 AM)

Rumor coming from the YPG is that Javelin's have made their way to them and the battlefield...read this a couple weeks ago. US denying they gave any, but photos and videos have come out. If its true, the Russians are smart to work with the Kurds for multiple reasons, but the T-90's could be in trouble if Javelin's fall into the wrong hands. Turkey is probably freaking out by now...bye, bye Turkish armor if there is a wider Kurd/Turk conflict.

Javelin's FYI: Fire and forget. Kind of the land version of Stinger's.




TheWombat_matrixforum -> RE: Russians in Syria (3/8/2016 8:43:44 PM)

The comments on that piece about the T-90 indicate that it in fact was not destroyed or even fallen out, that after the panicking crewman got back in it drove off. I have no idea how reliable that is, but it makes a certain degree of sense, if the reactive armor did its job.




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