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IronMikeGolf -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/17/2015 2:49:43 AM)

@katukov: Missile model also implies missile age. And that can go to malfunction rate. And the article does not say who's stocks the missiles come from. Just that the Saudis are delivering. So, if they are old, another good question is "Who has maintained them?"




ivanov -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/17/2015 7:05:08 PM)

Putting the troops on the ground would be a completely different story...

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tebeinteresno -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/17/2015 7:08:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: katukov

Putting the troops on the ground would be a completely different story...

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Why they write in English?
Why not Russian?




ivanov -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/17/2015 7:45:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tebeinteresno
Why they write in English?
Why not Russian?


This is obviously a propaganda message directed as much to Mr Putin, as to the international audience.




z1812 -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/17/2015 8:43:33 PM)

The Cuban Government has sent some military personnel to Syria. What types and how many is anyone's guess.

Just search Cubans in Syria




ivanov -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/17/2015 8:53:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: z1812

The Cuban Government has sent some military personnel to Syria. What types and how many is anyone's guess.

Just search Cubans in Syria


Without getting too political, I absolutely prefer the good, old commies over the radical islamists [:D]




Stimpak -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/17/2015 9:46:29 PM)

Yikes, this really is the Cold War all over again, isn't it?




Mad Russian -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/17/2015 11:35:17 PM)

Seems like there is little Cold about this war.

Good Hunting.

MR




delete1 -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/18/2015 1:20:30 PM)

Everything is a matter of perspective, isnt it? [:D]

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delete1 -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/18/2015 1:22:26 PM)

Hey, Katukov, I have one in english as well...[:D]

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delete1 -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/18/2015 1:25:57 PM)

Fox News and the Miamis Institute for Cuban?? I rather read RTs propaganda, thats for sure! [:D]

"White House spokesman Josh Earnest said on Thursday the U.S. government had seen no evidence to indicate the reports were true."

World | Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:33pm EDT Related: WORLD
Reuters

Cuba denies it has sent troops to Syria to help Assad

HAVANA

The Cuban government on Saturday denied what it called an "irresponsible and unfounded" report that it had sent troops to Syria in support of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Foreign ministry official Gerardo Penalver "categorically denies and refutes the irresponsible and unfounded information regarding the supposed presence of Cuban troops in the Syrian Arab Republic," a government statement said.

The University of Miami's Institute for Cuban and Cuban-American Studies on Tuesday issued what it called an unconfirmed report from an unspecified source that Cuban troops had been spotted in Syria "in support of Syria’s dictator Assad and Russian involvement in that country."

Fox News echoed the institute's report on Wednesday, citing an unnamed U.S. official who "confirmed" it. The story then circulated in social media.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said on Thursday the U.S. government had seen no evidence to indicate the reports were true.

Cuba sent troops to Africa in support of leftist governments in Angola and Ethiopia in the 1970s and 1980s but has long since disengaged from overseas military ventures.

In the past year it has instead reached detente with the United States, restoring diplomatic ties with its former Cold War foe after a break of 54 years.




delete1 -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/18/2015 1:41:32 PM)

Now that seems the US is arming the supposed "moderate" rebels...I just hope the lessons with Taleban and 9-11 were learnt...considering how crap US international politics have been, this scares me a lot, specially when Uncle Sam and his pals try to fix things in Middle East..


(...) The U.S. is also criticizing Russia for hitting the "wrong targets,” implying the moderate rebel groups opposed to Assad. However, Washington is avoiding naming these "moderate" groups. Representatives of the Pentagon and the White House do not like to answer questions about whether the U.S.-led coalition is carrying out strikes against such formations as that very same Jabhat al-Nusra (which, in turn sometimes clashes with ISIS) or Ahrar Al-Sham – also nothing short of a terrorist group, which is part of the Islamic Front coalition, or the Army of Islam, which gained notoriety, in particular, for an ISIS-like massacre in the industrial town of Adra, near Damascus – because the U.S.-led coalition does not carry out such strikes.

Meanwhile, the Islamic Front, just like the Army of Islam, is hatching plans for building an Islamic state in Syria under Sharia law and enjoys the support of the Saudis. They can only be considered "moderate" at a stretch. The Syria Revolutionaries Front, another Islamist organization that recently claimed to be seen as "moderate," is close to the Islamic Front. However, before being recognized as "moderate," it made an alliance with ISIS.

Most often when the West talks of "moderate" groups it is referring to the Free Syrian Army (FSA), created at the beginning of the war with the aim of opposing Assad by officers who had deserted from the government army. However, the FSA, which has always featured a variety of small groups, Islamist ones among them, was from the very start strongly influenced by the ideology of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, which enjoyed the covert support of the Turkish government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Since the spring of this year, the FSA has effectively disintegrated as a combat structure. However, many small and independent combat local groups operate under its "umbrella," including those entering into tactical alliances with the Islamists, even from ISIS. Those who are arming these groups should take into account the tendency of militants to cross from one structure to another and understand that these weapons may end up in hands of ISIS (...).




ivanov -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/18/2015 4:43:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iron Mike Golf

@katukov: Missile model also implies missile age. And that can go to malfunction rate. And the article does not say who's stocks the missiles come from. Just that the Saudis are delivering. So, if they are old, another good question is "Who has maintained them?"


Someone watched all those videos with the TOW launches and here's some statistics.

32 were launched against the tanks. 10 without any doubt destroyed the tank ( 31% ), 9 missed ( 28% ) and 13 hit the tank but a kill cannot be confirmed ( 40 % ). In those cases the tank was probably damaged/immobilized. Of course some of those were actually kills, but it's also worth keeping in mind, that the rebels don't post online some portion of the misses. This statistics is interesting from the point of view of RS, because Syrian forces field vintage T-55, T-62, T-72A/M models. It seems that the ATGMs manage to score a certain kill in about 30-40% of the cases.




z1812 -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/18/2015 5:31:05 PM)

An interesting article.

http://www.wsj.com/article_email/a-path-out-of-the-middle-east-collapse-1445037513-lMyQjAxMTI1MjE2NzIxMDcwWj




delete1 -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/18/2015 5:50:26 PM)

Nice article. Kissinger always with interesting opinions and analysis. Cheers.




ivanov -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/18/2015 11:55:04 PM)

RUSSIA’S ARSENAL IN SYRIA: WHAT DO WE KNOW?




delete1 -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/19/2015 8:58:06 PM)

Chechen-born Abu Bakr al-Shishani, leader of the Ahrar ash-Sham terrorist group, was reportedly killed in a Russian airstrike.

"A group of militants, including the leader of Jaish al-Sham terrorist group, Chechen native Abu Bakr al-Shishani, was eliminated on October 14 as a result of a Russian airstrike in the Homs province," the source said.

Earlier today SANA, Syria’s national news agency, reported that the Syrian army had destroyed another leader of Ahrar ash-Sham, sheikh Omar Mustafa al-Khodr and his top aide Khaled Abu Anas.

Ahrar ash-Sham is the second largest terrorist group within the Jaish al-Fatah movement after the al-Nusra Front. In the spring of 2015, it was one of the militant groups which took over Ariha, Idlib, and Jisr al-Shughur in Syria's northwest, carrying out mass executions of locals.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151015/1028579120/key-warlord-destruction-report.html#ixzz3p38NHyfO




ivanov -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/20/2015 2:22:09 AM)

Syrians flee Russian airstrikes




delete1 -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/20/2015 10:22:50 AM)

Lets have hope for that...hard to imagine those ISIS lunatics capitulating...

The actions of the Russian Air Force in Syria are very effective, making it possible that soon ISIL will capitulate and the Syrian refugees will be able to return home, according to a political analyst at George Washington University.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151019/1028773138/syria-russia-isil-strategy-political-analyst.html#ixzz3p6OdDlbo




ivanov -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/20/2015 1:38:21 PM)

Russian Military Forum: Russia in the Middle East

quote:

After being virtually shut out of the region for many years, Russia has lately increased its influence by capitalizing on recent developments, such as the Arab Spring, the Syrian crisis and the Iran nuclear accord. This has allowed Russia to enhance relations and expand military-to-military ties with various states in the region. But Russia’s objectives and strategy for the region remain unclear. Long-time Russia experts Michael Kofman and Stephen Blank will explore these developments in greater detail, including their implications for the region, and for the U.S. more generally.




batteran -> RE: Russians in Syria (10/31/2015 11:37:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: katukov


quote:

ORIGINAL: Iron Mike Golf

@katukov: Missile model also implies missile age. And that can go to malfunction rate. And the article does not say who's stocks the missiles come from. Just that the Saudis are delivering. So, if they are old, another good question is "Who has maintained them?"


Someone watched all those videos with the TOW launches and here's some statistics.

32 were launched against the tanks. 10 without any doubt destroyed the tank ( 31% ), 9 missed ( 28% ) and 13 hit the tank but a kill cannot be confirmed ( 40 % ). In those cases the tank was probably damaged/immobilized. Of course some of those were actually kills, but it's also worth keeping in mind, that the rebels don't post online some portion of the misses. This statistics is interesting from the point of view of RS, because Syrian forces field vintage T-55, T-62, T-72A/M models. It seems that the ATGMs manage to score a certain kill in about 30-40% of the cases.


TOW are very deadly.. If the TOW operator is safe.

In egyptian-Israel war, the anti-tank missiles were first very deadly (like what you report)... unless the Israel tank operator learned to fire machine-gun immediatly at the missile departure area. The effiency quickly drop to almost 0%. You can't really concentrate on guiding a missile when under heavy machinegun fire ^^ (even poorly aimed)

It seem Syrian Arab Army Tank operators haven't mastered that. (Or can't see the missiles departures ): In any case, that need combat-ready, cold-blood, well trained tank operators (as any tank operator should be ^^)

A small map, with signaled TOW fires (red dots) and russian airstrikes (white stars) in a sector near alaouïte land:

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Many other maps: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/09/30/world/middleeast/syria-control-map-isis-rebels-airstrikes.html

Note the russians have merged all "pro-Assad" brigades and militias in the new "4th SAA army corps" (75.000 soldiers in training now) and started to train and command it. Expect these guys ready in 2 more months.

https://www.facebook.com/syrianmilitary/videos/927660673981982/

This war has just begun... (I don't really expect anything from the actual "peace talks": it's just bargaining some time)




ivanov -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/12/2015 4:29:12 PM)

First confirmed picture of T-90 guarding the Russian air base.

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batteran -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/24/2015 2:48:53 AM)

Is that T-90's?

Spotteds on syria's road, aiming to the front, following an increase of russian involvement on the ground.

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Here: a T-72B3 left, next to a T-90 rigth:

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RangerX3X -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/24/2015 10:55:40 AM)

"This business will get out of control! It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it!"

- Admiral Josh Painter, The Hunt for Red October.




ivanov -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/24/2015 12:44:33 PM)

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34907983

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How many Soviet planes were shot downy by PAK AF during the Soviet–Afghan War?




Tazak -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/24/2015 2:13:04 PM)

Wait for the "we have proof which side of the border it was flying" from both NATO and Russia that of course wont match up, will be interesting to see Russia's response




ivanov -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/24/2015 2:23:45 PM)

Apparently how the CSAR helicopter was destroyed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IschF-ihjS0&feature=youtu.be




Stimpak -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/24/2015 4:17:51 PM)

-snip-

Stupid thing for me to say, emotionally driven.

I doubt this will escalate any further beyond a few angry shouting matches.




Jagdtiger14 -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/24/2015 4:40:30 PM)

It's time we kick Turkey out of NATO.




Stimpak -> RE: Russians in Syria (11/24/2015 5:38:14 PM)

That's a rather drastic move.

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The plane clearly flew over Turkish airspace.

Was it a dirty stab in the back? Yes, but they were within full rights to shoot down that Su-24.




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