The_Falcon -> (1/25/2003 3:15:21 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
[B]Well it might not be so much what is wrong with a game sometimes, as much as what is right with others.
The market is a few table scraps worth of "good" computer games, and oodles of designs people eagerly tell each other are great, when they are really both A. not unique, and B. not really genuinely special.
I have seen a lot of computer games, and to be fair, a lot of them are turn based also, and even shockingly enough, some board games as well, that while "adequate" were not meriting a lot of faunig over.
I have seen more games in the past, that had the look, but could not deliver the goods when it came to play them, than I have seen that both had the look of a good game, and were in fact great when it came time to play them.
Assuming GI Combat does actually work after it is patched up finally (some say 1.04 fixes a few things), will it be worth the effort to care?
GI Combat for what it's worth, is just someone's copy of the same environment yet again. It is not unique enough.
It will only appeal to someone that can't get a copy of "the other game".
A while back I was searching for a tank sim. Tried Panzer Elite. It has a horrible reputation for being buggy as hell in it's original release. But so far it has been the nicest looking of the designs I have seen.
Doesn't really matter a hill of beans though eh. Odds are I won't be finding a copy of it any time soon.
I have a copy of Panzer Commander. Was in a store (an EB in Toronto area) and had remarked to a sales person that it sucked how there was no titles on the shelf for my sort of wargamer. None save a copy of Panzer Elite Special. And I remarked that it was a game with a bad reputation as far as software went. So I was hesitant to invest my paltry few dollars at that time.
The girl reached down into a closet behind the counter and plopped a retail copy of Panzer Commander into the bag with my son's modest playstation game purchase.
I was taken aback till she made it clear enough she was dumping it on me free (I guess it was a return that was going no where).
The game runs fun (even runs on XP in spite of being a tad dated now). Visually it is a decent game. Not quite Panzer Elite.
But the point is, I now have a respectable WW2 tank sim game.
I can't imagine anyone selling me another tank sim game now, unless the software in truely extraordinary. And odds are the level of improvement I would require would exceed my machine's capacity to run it.
There was a time during the 70's when everyone and their aunt was releasing board games. It didn't last. Eventually the bubble burst and companies dropped away like flies.
I think if computer wargame designers don't start trying to seriously do something more interesting than make WW2 RTS games, eventually they will all find themselves in the same spot.
As it stands, I think WW2 RTS as a notion is as done as dinner. Adding fancier graphics won't always be enough.
I think the turn based market for WW2 might be at saturation level as well.
I think the FPS experience has absolutely gone the full route as well.
Some how, some way, I want to see something other than more turn based, RTS, tank sims or FPS games done in the same old WW2 settings now. [/B][/QUOTE]
Hello all, the thing I didn’t like about Panzer Commander is there was no infantry or air support. I loved the editor in the game, was very easy to use, and an excellent manual.
Les, you got PC for free? I paid 10.00$ for the game and a really nice strategy guide.
A friend of mine gave me a manual for M1 Tank Platoon II that is the size of a phone book. The game appears to have infantry and air support. Have you ever played that? Or Steel Beasts?
The Close Combat games were great in there day, I was looking forward to playing the 3-D version of the CC games, GIC, but it is horrible. Not one thing about the game is intuitive everything is an effort.
Most looking forward to Combat Leader. It’s time for me to move on to the modern age.
Dam, but Korsun Pocket looks cool too.
Right now I play Uncommon Valor(or try to) SPWAW, East Front II, and Combat Mission I and II.
And to answer the thread question, No I already have all the CC games, hehe